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Old January 22nd, 2004, 08:34 AM
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My wife and I are booked for the Pride of America for a Hawaiian cruise leaving on the 26th of December. We hope, HOPE that the Pride of America will be sailing by then. We were really looking forward to being on the new ship. I know that they will re-book us on the Pride of Aloha (currently the Sky, right?). Isn't the Aloha actually bigger than the America? Has anyone heard any news at all as to how long before the America can sail?? Any news tid-bits at all??
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Old January 22nd, 2004, 03:05 PM
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hmmmm.... I guess not? lol
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Old January 22nd, 2004, 09:39 PM
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Juan

Dutch company SMIT Salvage was awarded the contract by German Lloyd Werft shipyard to salvage the cruise ship ‘Pride of America' at Bremerhaven just after she sank.

The salvage team, consisting of a salvage master, divers and nautical experts, has the mission of uprighting the partly flooded cruise ship.

At present there is no other news available regarding the ship's condition except that we know she took on a lot of water and that machinery, furnishings and interiors have been damaged. Further assessment can only take place when the ship is refloated and secured.

As further news comes to hand I'll post it.

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Old January 23rd, 2004, 09:44 AM
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Thanks, BlueC. It is much appreciated. I know it's a long ways off, but my wife and I are wondering if the ship will be ready for our Christmas-time cruise. We're a little bummed out because we were really looking forward to sailing in the new ship. This is very disheartening...
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Old January 23rd, 2004, 11:22 PM
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Juan,

I doubt very much that Lloyd Werft will not be able to have Pride of America shipshape by Christmas 2004. We are talking about flooding and that wouldn't be serious enough to take a ship out of action for 12 months. Even if some machinery and equipment inside the hull moved and caused some damage it shouldn't be enough to stop her from sailing before the end of the year.

There was a thread with pics and news articles on this forum regarding the POA. Where has it gone?

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Old January 24th, 2004, 07:05 AM
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I certainly hope you're right, BlueC. This will be our first cruise with NCL, and we are very excited about possibly sailing on the new ship. We've got our fingers crossed.
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Old January 27th, 2004, 02:08 PM
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It is difficult for me to understand that it has been 2 weeks since this ship "went down in shallow water" and that NCL can not nor will not provide information to the thousands of pre paid cruisers waiting on facts and comments...Plans are made and monies have been paid to airlines, hotels, etc yet NCL sits doing what? How long does it take for divers to inspect the hull and float the ship? I believe that Carnival and RCL would have been on top of this and had some real answers for everyone booked for a year in advance! The builder in Germany works for NCL and should have had an answer or a time table of completion within a week of the sinking.
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Old January 28th, 2004, 01:42 AM
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January 28, 2004

Pride of America could be delayed another 10 months!!

It seems SMIT Salvage needs a couple more weeks to raise the Pride of America. Sources tell us they need specialised equipment from Holland to eliminate the possibility of the ship capsizing, destroying whatever has not been submerged.

If and when the POA is raised the major issue will be the condition of its Wartsila engines. If they are destroyed (as some people are suggesting) this would mean a very long stay at Lloyd Werft. Replacing these engines at a time when there are many newbuildings in other European yards will put pressure on Wartsila and its capacity to deliver new ones. This may well be the critical factor whether she sails before the end of this year or by March 2005.

Other damage which we know about: part of the hull on the quay side (the starboard side) has been heavily dented as have some windows.

More details as they arise.
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Old January 28th, 2004, 10:35 AM
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Well, this is incredibly disappointing.... I may talk to my wife about canceling, and going on another cruise...
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Old January 29th, 2004, 04:33 PM
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Juan,

It does sound disappointing. Just hang in there for a little longer. As soon as SMIT Salvage refloats the POA in week or so we'll know more. In the meantime keep you ear close to the ground. Call your TA and tell them to keep you informed and yes, do consider another cruise as an option while you can plan one ahead of time.

Good luck.
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Old February 4th, 2004, 10:24 PM
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Juan,

SMIT Salvage's pontoon Giant 2 has arrived at Lloyd Werft in Bremerhaven, Germany. Hopefully with the aid of this equipment salvage crews will be able to right the partially submerged Pride of America.

More news as it comes to hand.

Cheers
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Old February 5th, 2004, 12:10 PM
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Thanks a bunch for the updates, BlueC. Are you an NCL employee? I am just curious, since you seem to have all the knowledge... lol.

NCL's "official" (read - what they tell us over the phone) is that they still don't know how long it will be delayed. I certainly hope that I get to go on that new ship... We'll just have to wait and see, I guess. Again, thanks, BlueC.
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Old February 5th, 2004, 09:05 PM
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Juan,

Not an employee of NCL. I'm a photojournalist and I have an interest in all things maritime. I scour the internet for news through newspapers, magazines, forums, contacts, etc.

Yes, it does sound like there will be a major delay with Pride of America. At least NCL is telling you the truth. Rumours say next year. When? Don't know yet.

Right next door to POA in the same shipyard was Costa Victoria which had balconies added to two decks. Since Lloyd Werft (the shipyard) finished work two days in advance, Costa Victoria can now leave the shipyard and get out of the way of the salvage team. Otherwise she could have been boxed in by salvagers. Now hopefully SMIT Salvage with the aid of the pontoon can right POA. From what we know POA still has about 45,000 tons of water inside her!!

I'll keep you posted.

Cheers
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Old February 6th, 2004, 05:16 PM
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I appreciate your updates, BlueC. Much appreciated. I guess we'd better start looking forward ro our cruise on the Pride of Aloha. Nonetheless, I'm sure we'll have a wonderful time.

Juan
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Old February 7th, 2004, 06:42 PM
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Did not know about any of this. As potential cruisers on the Aloha pls post reviews after your trips Thank you in advance,
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Old February 8th, 2004, 11:58 AM
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BlueC, Do you know anything about the Norway? What is going on with her? Are they doing the necessary repairs on her?

Thanks
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Old February 8th, 2004, 08:36 PM
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Went to a travel trade show on the weekend, so this is the ealiest chance I had to post the following, a bit late, but...

Pride of America salvage imminent
February 6, 2004

The salvage operation of NCL’s Pride Of America in Bremerhaven is imminent, said German sources.

Dutch salvage contractor Smit had initially planned to re-float the ship by the end of January. A Smit spokesman told Seatrade Insider its semi-submersible Giant 2 is working at the scene. The 140mtr long and 36mtr wide pontoon raised the sunken car carrier Tricolor in the English Channel last year. Giant 2 is identical to the pontoon Giant 4, which played a key role in the salvage of Russian submarine Kursk from the bottom of the Barents Sea in 2001.

A comment from NCL was not immediately available...

Edited from: Seatrade Insider
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Regarding the Norway:

The last news I have is that she is still at Lloyd Werft, Bremerhaven. NCL was going to use the Norway as a training ship while Pride of America was being built. I guess now she'll have to stay there a lot longer, unless of course, NCL decides to use her somewhere else. Whatever news I get I'll post in a new thread.

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Old February 9th, 2004, 11:21 AM
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BlueC,

Just read on another message board that Lloyd Werft has been declared insolvent! Have you any news on this?

Craig
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Old February 9th, 2004, 02:15 PM
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Well, this keeps getting better by the day!!!

Man, NCL is just being hit with a rash or bad luck, here... I think I am gonna re-consider this cruise. Wow... amazing.

Juan
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Old February 9th, 2004, 07:07 PM
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Craig,

this is the news you mentioned:

Lloyd Werft claims insolvency
February 9, 2004

Lloyd Werft has been forced to claim insolvency today after incurring a loss related to the partial sinking of NCL’s Pride of America, which happened less than a month ago.

The ship has not been salvaged yet and according to German sources NCL has not paid a sum of €37.5m which was due by the end of January. This non-payment says the German press has driven Lloyd Werft into a temporary lack of liquidity and forced the shipyard’s management to claim insolvency earlier today. (NCL later issued a statement saying it has made all progress payments as they have come due.)

Shipyard staff were informed about the developments over a public address system. The State Of Bremen’s Senator of Economics, Hartmut Perschau, participated in the address to shipyard workers. He explained that Lloyd Werft has filed for insolvency in order to try and solve the present difficult situation. At the same time, Perschau stressed that Lloyd Werft was a ‘healthy enterprise’ with a good market position. Werner Lüken, md of Lloyd Werft, added that his enterprise was a prospering venture which had been driven into difficulties by a single incident. He claimed that Lloyd Werft needed further orders to overcome the present situation. Lüken added that negotiations concerning Pride of America will take place on Wednesday.

The German TV station Erstes Deutsches Fernsehen quotes Senator Perschau as voicing his conviction in a future for Lloyd Werft and the completion of Pride of America. The station adds that Perschau has not ruled out the possibility that the State of Bremen might provide guarantees to ensure the shipyard’s survival.

Wolfgang van Betteray has been appointed as receiver for the insolvent shipyard. Van Betteray, a lawyer from Düsseldorf, is experienced in rescuing enterprises that are in trouble.

The German Insolvency Act, in its present form established only few years ago, aims to rescue struggling companies and prepare them for reorgansiation. Lloyd Werft currently employs a staff of 550.

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NCL vows to complete Pride of America
February 9, 2004

NCL says it is moving forward with its plans to complete the US-flagged Pride of America notwithstanding Lloyd Werft's insolvency (see separate story). The ship is heavily insured under a policy to cover the damage from last month's shipyard accident says the line in a statement.

NCL confirms that the yard is preparing the ship to be refloated this week and it will then be taken into dry dock where the damage can be assessed. Work on the vessel will commence at the earliest possible date says NCL.

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NCL: progress payments made to Lloyd Werft
February 9, 2004

Norwegian Cruise Line will meet with Lloyd Werft this week to discuss the completion of Pride of America and is working with the troubled shipyard ‘to assist it in emerging from this setback,’ NCL says in its second statement of today.

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Old February 10th, 2004, 10:35 AM
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wow.... what a mess!

Again, thanks for the updates, BlueC.

Juan
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Old February 10th, 2004, 12:58 PM
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BlueC,

Thanks for your thorough update.

Craig
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Old February 10th, 2004, 06:17 PM
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Pride salvage goes ahead: SMIT
February 10, 2004

SMIT Salvage has confirmed that work to refloat the Pride of America and pump water from its lower decks will not be affected by Lloyd Werft’s decision to file for insolvency, as costs are being covered by insurers. Lars Walder, a spokesman for the Dutch salvor, told Fairplay today that the operation should be completed by the end of the week. Smit will bring its 32,000dwt pontoon vessel Giant 2 alongside the stricken cruise ship at Lloyd Werft tomorrow or on Thursday. Ten large and six smaller wheels have been welded to the Pride’s port side that will be used to tie the ships together with ropes.

Meanwhile Lloyd Werft managers have acted swiftly to prevent suppliers removing their equipment from the yard by placing large concrete blocks at site exits. The yard employs 500 directly and a further 2,000 sub-contractors. In total, about 4,000 jobs are generated by the yard throughout Bremerhaven. The head of Bremen state government, Henning Scherf, said the decision to file for insolvency was the only way to protect the yard from its creditors. A €10M ($12.7M) bank loan has been guaranteed by Bremen state.

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Old February 11th, 2004, 01:34 AM
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...Dutch salvage company Smit has been given the job of salvaging the ship with work scheduled to start next week (from the 16th February...).

The 81,000 gross ton (gt), 2,100 lower berth Pride of America was set to begin sailing in July after completion in April.

Its delivery is now expected to be delayed by several months depending on the extent of the damage caused by the salt water. Most critical is the the state of the diesel-electric drive and two pods...

Edited from The Shipping Times
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Old February 13th, 2004, 09:29 PM
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I just found out through my travel agent that there are 38 fewer suites, and 370 fewer balconies on Pride of Aloha than there will be on Pride of America. Seeing that number explains why NCL is having such a problem booking people, but its still no reason to lie and to try and get more money out of people. for lesser categories. But this means that over 800 people on each cruise who were expecting suites or balconies don't get them, pushing them down to outside cabins, and outside cabins down to inside cabins. I'm getting very nervous about my outside cabin. Fortunately it wasn't the lowest category among outside cabins, so hopefully I will be OK. Only time will tell.
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Old February 14th, 2004, 09:03 AM
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Hey, found this, thought you peaople might like to read it.
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Refloated Pride of America will head to dry dock
14/02/2004
Pride of America is now floating at Lloyd Werft and pumping operations continue to remove the remaining water from the vessel in preparation for the move to a dry dock on Sunday or Monday, SMIT Salvage spokesman Lars Walder told Seatrade Insider. At midday Saturday, the ship was still listing slightly at four degrees. ‘We are still pumping, but she is not grounded,’ Walder said.
Superficial damage to the vessel, which has been partly submerged since a Jan. 14 storm at the yard, appears to be extensive because of the advanced state of Pride of America's completion -- delivery had been scheduled for the last week in April -- but it’s too early to make a comprehensive assessment.

‘Some cabins are completely furnished with all the furniture. All the cables are there,’ Walder said. However, ceilings and walls are still open. ‘You can image that everything will need to be replaced,’ he told Seatrade Insider. ‘You have to take out the engines and clean them.’ Asked if the engines can be salvaged, Walder responded, ‘I’m not a technician but, yes, that is possible.’

An estimated 40,000 to 50,000 tons of water has been pumped from the Pride of America in a 15-pump operation that began at 6 a.m. Friday. Within 10 hours, the 280-meter-long ship was floating. ‘It’s a big vessel but it was not an unusual or difficult operation,’ Walder said. SMIT has salvaged numerous ships in highly challenging circumstances, including raising the Russian atomic submarine Kursk from the floor of the Barents Sea.

In the first step of the Pride of America operation, salvagers closed holes in the vessel, and a giant barge was moored alongside. The salvage was delayed a week when the barge could not travel from SMIT headquarters in Rotterdam due to a storm. ‘We needed the barge before we began the pumping operation to stabilize Pride of America,’ Walder explained. ‘If it were not stabilized, it could tip over completely because the center of gravity was not in the middle.’

After all the water is pumped out, the vessel will be towed less than 100 meters to a dry dock at Lloyd Werft where damages will be assessed.

Thirty-five salvage experts from SMIT are working at the site. Walder declined to disclose of the cost of the Pride of America operation. SMIT’s client is Gard Services, the Norwegian insurer of Lloyd Werft. The shipyard declared insolvency last Monday.
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Old February 15th, 2004, 09:40 PM
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Fellas,

Other message boards have links to images of Pride of America and I guess we should have them as well. here is a chronology of what has happened so far:

http://www.schiffsphoto.de/HTM/Cruis...eofAmerica.htm

It's in German, but it's self explanatory. Enjoy...

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Old February 16th, 2004, 07:25 PM
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Pride of America docked, probe commences
February 16, 2004

Investigations into the cause of Pride of America’s partial sinking in a storm last month at Lloyd Werft have commenced now that the vessel has been raised and moved into a dry dock at the yard. The ship was towed into dock at noon on Sunday after some 40,000 tons of water were removed in a pumping operation that began early Friday morning.

Workers at Lloyd Werft have started to clean the hull, which has been partially submerged since the Jan. 14 accident. Bremerhaven newspaper Nordsee-Zeitung today quotes a yard spokesman as saying the electronic equipment in the engine deck and the engine control room has been destroyed by the water. However, the hull was much cleaner than anticipated, the spokesman said. After the January storm, the vessel listed approximately 14 degrees to starboard and settled on the bottom of the harbour, with three decks submerged.

Meanwhile, attempts are underway to rescue Lloyd Werft, which filed for insolvency last week. The government of the State of Niedersachsen has offered financial help. A delegation of the State of Bremen’s Department of Economics will travel to Brussels this week to investigate the possibility of public aid for Lloyd Werft with representatives of the European Union.

Regarding the future of Pride of America’s contract, Wolfgang van Betteray, receiver of the shipyard, is today quoted as saying that negotiations could continue until April.

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Old February 17th, 2004, 07:03 AM
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Again, thanks a million for the continuous updates, BlueC. Please keep them coming, if you can. NCL is not updating their News page on their Web site very often, and whatever little news we get is always good.

I stil have my fingers crossed that our Christmas/New Year's Hawaiian cruise will happen in the Pride of America.

Juan
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Old February 17th, 2004, 05:05 PM
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Lueken: no hull damage to Pride of America
February 17, 2004

In its first official statement since the Pride of America was refloated in Bremerhaven on Friday, Norwegian Cruise Line quotes Lloyd Werft md Werner Lueken as confirming there is no damage to the vessel’s hull. Lueken also stated that the ship will be completed.

Pride of America was towed into dry dock at the yard on Sunday, and a detailed damage assessment is now underway involving NCL, Lloyd Werft and the insurers. NCL said the survey will enable the creation of a work plan, first for repair and replacement of the equipment and interior parts of the ship that have been submerged in brackish water for a month, and second for completion and delivery of the finished vessel.

The survey should be finished ‘within the next few weeks, at which time Lloyd Werft and NCL should be in a position to conclude their ongoing discussions regarding completion of the ship,’ the NCL statement said.

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