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Old April 25th, 2004, 05:13 PM
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Default Not potty trained kids in the pools...continued.

Let's take a survey and see what people think. State if you believe that kids should be allowed in the pool with the swimmy diapers and briefly state a reason to support your opinion.


I say no, they shouldn't be allowed. My reason is because it's gross and I don't trust the swimmies.
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Old April 25th, 2004, 05:24 PM
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Default Re: Non potty trained kids in the pools...continued.

I second that! As one poster put it "some family vacation!" Precisely, I don't want my family vacation memoirs to include feces and sickness.
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Old April 25th, 2004, 06:30 PM
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I have to agree also. Potty trained only. Sorry to those with young children but my health comes before your kid's right to poop where I swim.
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Old April 26th, 2004, 12:34 AM
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Default Re: Not potty trained kids in the pools...continued.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one."

Sorry - children not potty trained should not be allowed in the pools - why should my child or anyone in my family get sick because someone's swimmie leaked?

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Default Re: Not potty trained kids in the pools...continued.

Hey everyone-
I totally agree with all of you- but did you ever think of how many children who ARE potty trained still go in the pool?

I think, however, that if there is a kiddie pool, the children with the swimmies should be allowed in- let them have fun, but in THEIR OWN pool...

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Old April 26th, 2004, 02:17 PM
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Please,no kids in diapers or swimmies in the pools,if you wish to take your child in the kid's pool,go right ahead...and while I am at it,please,no kids under 16 who use the hot tubs as diving pools..Yes,I have seen this on every cruiseline...I once saw some really small children in a hot tub on a Princess Cruise,with no parents in sight....Hot tubs are dangerous for children,I have nothing against children ( I was a pre-K teacher for 22 years),but I think parents should at least obey the rules...
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Old April 26th, 2004, 10:43 PM
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yeah no thanks. Everyone pees in a pool- thats not a big deal, but who wants to swim around with Poo? i'll pass. Anyway, its USPH regulations. Its not like the ship has a choice anyway.
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Old April 27th, 2004, 01:29 PM
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uchtttttttt. That's what I think. I never let my kids do it.
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Old April 27th, 2004, 01:36 PM
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No potty trained, no swimmy in ship pool whether kids pool or other pool. The filtering system is just not good enough and most of us would like to do what we can to control viruses. There are sacrifices one makes for choosing a cruise vacation with the kids under about 3 and this is one. Pool time for the little ones will be non existant.

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Old April 27th, 2004, 07:54 PM
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I agree with those who said they shouldn't be allowed in the pool with swimmies. And yes, I took my kids swimming when they were in diapers, in my own pool and at a friend's beach but not in a public pool. I went to a water park several years ago and was in the wave pool when a poop floated past me. Let me tell ya, I got out, got my kids out and didn't go back in the water all day. Couldn't get my money back as the water park was "free" as part of the admission to the amusement park. It was disgusting and I have no idea if the kid was in a swimmie or a diaper or nothing but I don't care. Some things can't be unseen.
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Old April 28th, 2004, 05:16 AM
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My only thought is (and it's just MY thought, I'm not out to offend anyone), as gross as it is, what about the amount of adults, teenagers and kids who propably pee in the very same pool toddlers in diapers are being thrown out of? The adults, teenagers and kids just don't have a diaper broadcasting that they still go in their pants . . I don't really think a 5 year old who is potty trained and in the middle of swimming, having a blast is going to say, I think i need to get out to go pee in the bathroom . . they're letting it out right there . .
But doesn't clorine usually take care of that? Although, are the pools outside on the boats clorinated? I agree the idea of swimming in other people's urine is gross, but isn't that one of the things you have to suck up and not think about if you're swimming in a public pool? It avoid as much of this pee nonsense, I spent most of my time swimming in the SPA pool . . indoors, very clorinated and no one under 18 was allowed in there . . I just had to have faith in my fellow adults that they weren't peeing in the spa pool . . again . . I try to just not think about it and enjoy the time . .
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Old April 28th, 2004, 12:03 PM
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Default Re: Re: Not potty trained kids in the pools...continued.

To Kimzie: Urine in a pool (while gross) is not a major health concern because urine is relatively sterile. Feces on the other hand are a common disease carrier (Norwalk virus and E-coli).
Personally I really would rather not swim with either but I really especially object to feces.
Kiddy pools and bodily wastes: checked with a friend who cruises with her kids. She is in the infection control field and will NOT let her kids in kiddy pools on cruise ships. They are toilet trained but she does not wish to expose them to disease. They swim at the beach. The beach is generally a safer swimming environment than a kiddy pool because although bacteria may be present - due to the large volume of the ocean they will be in a MUCH more diluted state and therefore do not pose the same health risk as they do in pools.
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Old April 28th, 2004, 02:03 PM
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You are being very closed minded regarding kids in diapers. When we were on the NCL Dream last month there was a sign at the hot tubs that read: "No children OR ADULTS IN DIAPERS allowed in HOT TUBS".
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Old April 28th, 2004, 02:20 PM
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To Zeno : . . you're right, I forgot to mention that I too completely object to swimming with feces as well . . hence why I spent all of my swimming time in the spa pool . . :-)
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Old April 28th, 2004, 02:59 PM
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I kinda think that parents with wee ones (no pun intended) would have a better time renting a place near a lake or ocean.

We did that for years.

Those who insist upon cruising with kids should do the Disney cruisis. They are themed for children of all ages.

That's my scoop on the poop.
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Old April 28th, 2004, 04:48 PM
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I agree with Asealady and almost everyone else. Letting kids break the rules is teaching them this is ok as long as you don't get caught. I am not saying I never break rules but when my children were young we never did and taught them to respect the policies that were set up whether our rules, the schools or any other rules. As for swimming in the Y pools or public neighborhood pools the filtering system is totally different. Now for the remark the remark about feeling sorry for kids who don't get to go swimming until they are potty trained. Guess what? My kids were all potty trained at just past 2 and took their first swim lessons at about 3. All swam competitively, year round teams through high school except for our son who played other sports and all 3 were life guards. They didn't suffer from waiting a little longer to swim in public pools. They did swim at grandmas house. I didn't get the idea Barb was trying to decide who should vacation where as much as thinking out loud and giving her opinion, which, by the way I share. This is not saying kids and cruise ships can't blend, it's simply saying, if this is what you decide to do on vacation you may have to give up some activities for the kids. We are talking about a family vacation cruise for our 50th anniverary in 4 years. Our youngest grand child will be only 4 then and will still be included. His parents will have to give up some activities they may enjoy.

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Old April 28th, 2004, 05:01 PM
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And if all these children were potty trained by 2, the parents would not have a problem using pools away from home. It takes effort, but some are just too lazy and enjoy changing poopy diapers.
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Old April 29th, 2004, 01:18 PM
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I have never heard of ANY parent WANTING to change soiled diapers. Children should be trained when they are ready---not when the parents demand or force them to be for their convenience.
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Old April 30th, 2004, 05:36 AM
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Parents are being bashed and attacked by being called lazy and stupid for not potty training their child by a certain age. Not all children (and I believe very few) are ready by then!

While I realize that it is not the cruiselines decision to ban diapered children from swimming-they should have an alternative area for them, perhaps a small area with sprinklers so they are not sitting in water but cooling off and having fun.

Cruiselines are advertising 'Family Cruise Fun' but are not telling the booking customers that if they have a toddler not trained they are not allowed in the pools. I am sure that would change the parents decision to cruise or not.
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Old April 30th, 2004, 09:20 AM
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I really don't think it would change many minds, but I also don't think any cruiseline, resort or whatever can be expected to spell every detail out. If they are showing pictures of babies playing in pools and then not allowing swimmy diapers that's one thing, but they are not going to go into every detail. Yes cruising can be a family vacation and becoming more so all the time, this doesn't mean that parents with toddlers will be able to participate in all activities. Kids are not allowed in the casinos and I have seen them removed many times, especially at night, but this isn't spelled out either. Again some activities will have to forgone if families are vacationing with kids a certain age. I do like the idea of maybe a sprinkler area for the little ones.

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Old April 30th, 2004, 09:39 AM
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Yes, I do agree with you that the cruiselines are not required to spell out every detail. However---it is just assumed by parents that their children can go swimming. The cruiselines want the business (so do the travel agencies), but do not advertise this is an industry policy fearing people will not want to cruise with non-potty trained children, therefore losing money.

Casinos are no place for children. There is a lot of smoking sometimes and that is just not good for children. (I am not getting into a smoking debate, just the facts!) It is a law that I believe more people are aware of than the swimming issue.
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Old April 30th, 2004, 11:21 AM
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You are right, more parents are aware of the casino policy then the pool, I was giving that as an example. Kids and casinos don't mix for more reasons than the smoking issue in my humble opinion and I am not crusading against casinos; no one likes Vegas more than me. It is just a simple fact parents do have to realize there are things very young children can not do on cruise ships for their safety, for the comfort of the other passengers and for the protection of cruise lines. I also get very upset when I see little ones in places like Dazzles on NCL or similar clubs on other ships. It's not only due to the inconvenience it puts on the adult passengers, but the boredom to the little ones. Oh well, this is another subject for another time.

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Old April 30th, 2004, 11:55 AM
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I live in Atlanta. About 7 or 8 years ago they had an outbreak of some kind of bacterial disease that almost killed a few kids. The source was the kiddie pool at a White Water Park.
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Barb Nahoumi, we may be in the minority, but my husband and I completely agree with you. We were on the Dawn in early January amidst a TON of kids who spent a LOT of time being unhappy, and another ton in strollers who will have NO recollection of having gone on a cruise. We have six grandchildren, and have nothing against kids, but would never dream of bringing toddlers on a cruise. It's too bad there aren't more adults-only cruises.

And the thought of kiddie poop in any pool is enough to keep us out of the pools.
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Old April 30th, 2004, 04:51 PM
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Thea, I am totally with you on this: I just spend so much time getting blasted for my "I don't like kids" remarks I was trying to stay clear of the subject. By the way I absolutely love kids and think that cruise vacation can work, but only when they get a little older. I know what you mean about the kids in the strollers. Maybe we are just too much from the old school that believes in leaving some activities to kids for exploring when they get a bit older. Why is it so important to introduce them to everything so young? My age is showing I think yet my daughter agrees and she's only in her mid somethings.

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Old April 30th, 2004, 05:11 PM
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I am sorry but I disagree with both of you. As I stated before the cruiselines are advertising 'Family Fun". The cruiselines have kids programs, clubs, shows, pools, etc. etc. It is a fairly inexpensive way to see alot of different cultures, way of life etc. etc. and parents feel that this is the best way to have the whole family have fun, together and seperately when wanted. The best of both worlds.
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But how much can a kid in a stroller absorb about other cultures? How much is he going to remember? And how much are the parents going to be able to enjoy absorbing other cultures when they're absorbed in minding the kids in the strollers? But I guess this should be a whole 'nother thread........
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Maybe....
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Old May 1st, 2004, 11:21 AM
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I think that the sprinkler idea is great. Our sons loved to run through them on the lawn.

NOW how do we get the cruiselines to implement it? The kids will be cool and parents content.

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Old May 1st, 2004, 02:48 PM
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Such a sweet way with words.
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