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Old August 8th, 2005, 04:40 PM
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After reading a post and the responses for another cruise line, I'm a bit concerned and wondering what other people's experiences have been. DH and I are set to sail on NCL Sun Holiday cruise from December 18 - December 29, and also one the end of this month. A couple of the posts I read, "I would NEVER book a cruise during school vacation or a holiday ever again!" The posts went on to tell about kids pouring drinks from an upper floor onto the Art Show, kids hitting adults in the elevator, kids doing cannon balls in the pools and splashing everyone, kids throwing a box of crayons at dinner onto another table nearby, kids running amok up and down the halls and all over the ship, and somehow their parents either thinking it's "cute" or being conveniently absent. These cruises all seemed to have happened during spring break around Easter time. I'm wondering if we could be in for a similar experience. We certainly don't mind children at all (we're grandparents!), but these kids sounded way out of control and these passengers' were definitely negetively impacted by their outrageous behavior.





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Old August 8th, 2005, 05:45 PM
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I have been on NCL, Princess, and HAL during the holiday season. It's true there are more kids at that time than any other during the school year.
As to a definate answer, that will depend on whether the parents take a vacation from parenting. Most all the kids will behave but some will get into things you have mentioned. I've seen kids between the ages of 4 to 10 out wandering around on the decks at midnight, 1a.m., some in groups and some alone. I have seen them running in the halls, so I watch going around corners. I have seen them staggered on the steps,so I'm careful there. I've never seen anything being thrown in the dinning room but I often have heard laughter, maybe too loud for some but I think it's a wonderful sound.
I have seen the least amount of this on HAL, the largest on NCL. This is not a comment against any of the lines, just an observation. The cruise lines are in the middle on this. They can't tell parents what to do with their kids, they can only suggest that you not allow certain behavior or circumstances to occur.
As to splashing in the pool, I do have thoughts on that. If you don't want to get wet, don't sit by the pool. Kids + water= splash! And that is the one place the kids really have fun. Now that Marco Polo thing................... well, I could do without that!!
Of course, you can have the flip side where the adults behave like worse than kids. On one cruise, my friend and I saw a man urinating in the hall! He "stopped" when he saw us and we tried to help him get to his stateroom but then things started flowing again.......... right outside his door. Just kinda left him there, slipping onto the floor and reported it. Don't try to help a drunk because they don't help back.
If this is your first time on a holiday cruise don't be surprised by anything you see. The only experience you can or will base it on is your own.
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Old August 8th, 2005, 05:57 PM
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i agree with just about everything Micki is saying. We have gone on cruises during break time and yes, there are more kids, yes they may even spend so much time in the hot tubs adults have trouble finding a place to relax, but we have yet to see any truely obnocious (spelling) kids. Throwning drinks onto the Art show, hitting adults, phones ringing at all times of the night; these are exceptions. As for splashing, sure they will, but Micki said it best, don't sit by the pool if you don't want to get splashed. The only time I have been bothered by kids and more than bothered felt sorry for them is when they are very young and have nothing really to do. You will get more kids running in the halls and some think it's fun to push the elevator buttons, but not get on the elevator. Think about the times you have gone to a movie and had a few brats in front of you or you are in a restaurant and little ones are acting up. What about any other resort area? Where there are families there will be kids and where there are kids you will be slightly inconvenienced possible, but don't let it ruin your vacation and take what you read with a grain of salt. NMnita
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Old August 8th, 2005, 06:19 PM
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To CruiseCrazy2-Unruly Children- As Sgt.Friday stated just the facts madam, Going at school holiday time , but maybe X-mas being a family holiday there'll all stay home including the college kids.We were on the Dawn to Florida/Bahamas last week in june into july nearly 1000 kids on board and no they didn't keep to themselves,they were all over the ship. The real problem is at dinner and in the lounge at night. They don't stay in their seats,they fool around at the table in the lounge they act up in front of the preformer the parents do nothing and on the Dawn the dining staff did nothing either. Of course alot depends on where your going the Dawn is a mass market ship,very popular with families,first time cruisers etc.Prehaps your boat is smaller and the itinerary is more adult friendly.NCL really needs some kind of backbone when it comes to kids.Family dining hours, adult only restaurants or a simple Sir,Madam please keep your children under control they are distrubing our other guests. What can you do ? Eat later ,eat in surcharge restaurants,don't visit the lounges until quite late, ask the hostess at the front desk to sit you away from families or large groups[a quiet table] not a guarantee when the restaurant fills up. Even though we faced all of this we made sure we had a good time but add me too to those who say if I ever cruise again I'll make sure school is in session. P.S. you'll find kids on boats any time of the year. Have a good trip-Glenn. Oh just one more thing .We never saw or experienced any oif the more outrageous actions you stated happened to others cruisers but that doesn't mean it didn't happen on our boat too.
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Old August 8th, 2005, 07:11 PM
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I was on the Majesty July 17-24. Yes, there were lots of kids aboard but they were well behaved on the whole. The main problem was kids & babies in the adult hot tub.

Untrained babies should not be allowed in the hot tubs & pools, but they were there.
We asked staff members to have the kids removed, which they did eventually.

Ship staff needs to keep a closer eye on the pool area, making sure that kids do not enter adult pools & hot tubs.

The counselors from the kids crew kept many of the kids very busy. Most were of no bother to anyone.
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Old August 8th, 2005, 07:35 PM
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Glenn,
Have you ever tried to tell a parent their kids were a problem with their behavior? Teachers in our classrooms can barely discipline kids anymore. NCL or any line would have the same problem........ "not my Johnny or Susie." If something bad were to happen, you can bet any of the lines would hear about it but that would be after the fact. It goes back to parents, they can't be on vacation if they take the kids.
And they don't stay home just because it's Cristmas. That's when I cruise, so I'm sure of that. I just watch out for them.
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Old August 8th, 2005, 07:41 PM
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I agree about the toddlers. They do not belong in any pools and yes, the staff should have the Ba##s to say something, but this complaint goes past just NCL. All passengers, on every line gripes about the same thing. I still don't think it is a huge problem, just isolated. As for Christmas, the ship should not be filled with zillions of college kids. I have seen a couple of situations that were totally uncalled for and I felt sorry for the kids. On NCL about 3 years ago mommys and daddys had the pre schoolers in the lounges and casinos at night. The kids were tired, crying etc and the only time anything was done was in the casino. On Celebrity there were kids at 11pm in the lounge cause a family member was going to be on a game show or they though they were: they were and the kids were so tired they layed down in the passage way so no one could walk through. This was a family of about 30 or 40; the kids were pretty much a pain. The same group took some of the same kids to the Martini bar one night. Again though these are isolated situations. NMNita
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Old August 8th, 2005, 07:56 PM
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Hi cruisecrazy2,

I'm hoping that because of the length of this cruise (11 days) there will not be as many children on board as there would be on a 7 day cruise. (Operative word "hoping"!)

On our last cruise, which was over New Year's (10 days), I really didn't notice the children. On our first two cruises (7 days) they seemed to be everywhere!

Not having children of my own, they do get on my nerves sometimes but I just try to ignore them or move away.

What scares me is seeing young children (about 6 to 10 years old) running around on their own. A ship is like a small town, you really never know who's out there and what their intentions are. Some parents board the ship and let the kids loose, thinking they will be safe.

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Old August 8th, 2005, 09:54 PM
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Well speaking for crew, we agree with most everything said. Parents need to be parenta 100% of the time. It's unfortunate that it doesnt happen though. Ican remember one time where the 12 yo kid was throwing all of the clean pool towels in the pool and the father was right there drinking and having a good time. When the staff member said something to the father about his sons behavior, the father proceeded to hit the crew member and knock out 1 tooth and cause 11 stitches in his gums. Granted things dont normally escalate to that level, but they routinely get close. Kids being kids is ok. Its all about learning and exploring boundaries, but unfortunately in America we have no selective breeding program.....
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Old August 9th, 2005, 08:41 PM
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American Pride,

I know what you are talking about with parents "defending" their children. Your example was certainly an excessive reaction.

However, I'm concerned with your last sentence. "selective breeding program"?

I'm sincerely hoping that you didn't mean what that sounds like??? Maybe you are too young to remember.....?

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Old August 10th, 2005, 11:27 AM
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Fern, I too hope he didn't mean that as you took it. I am sure it was more tongue in cheek as we all know there are those who shouldn't have kids but do and those who do not see their little ones in the eyes of others. I have a sister who defended her kids from day one: I will not go into detail, but let me tell you: it was the biggest mistake anyone could have made. You wouldn't want to know what their lives as adults have been!!! Let's just say, from the time they were school age, these are the kids no one wants to see on a cruise ship.

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Old August 11th, 2005, 02:18 PM
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If you read my past posts you will see that I have a very sarcastic somewhat dry sense of humor. Maybe I shouldn't have said selective breeding. How about it should be a law you cant have children until you can until you can prove:
a. You have a measurable amount of common sense.
b. You have a measurable IQ
c. You can prove you dont have to drop your pants and bend over just to see where you are going.
Granted these requirements will cause a drastic drop in the birth rate...but is that really a bad thing? And before anybody asks....Yes I do have kids.2 of them...one is a very promising chef and the other a "straight a" high school student who looks like he will be attending MIT next year. Neither them or any of their friends have ever been in any real trouble because they learned young about respect.
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Unfortunately having A and B does not mean you will have well behaved children. Manners and respect, for other people and property, are learned. Discipline must be consistant, even when traveling with children. Most parents are embarassed to have a child acting up but don't want to bring more embarassement by trying to discipline them in front of others. It doesn't help either when do-gooders step in and say they are abusing their child should they try to discipline them.
My grandsons get one opportunity to straighten out their behavior. If they don't stop, my son orD-in-L takes them out of the room and for some reason, all is well when they return. Spankings are not always involved, as a matter of fact they are rare. But the discipline is consistant, at home, in a restuarant, and even on a ship.
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American Pride,

I HAVE read read your past posts and enjoyed them very much! I thought I knew what you meant, but I guess I'm a little "touchy" these days.

I've always found it curious that you have to take a test to get a driver's license, but anybody can marry and have children! (I do know that many couples have pre-marriage counseling, which I think is great.)

Micki,

If only all parents were like your son & DIL. That is exactly how I was raised and I turned out just fine!

Usually all it takes is removing a child from the area and having a talk with them. I think that in some instances, cruising for example, there is so much going on, so many people, so many bright colors that children often get over-stimulated and need to be taken to a quiet place to regroup.

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Old August 12th, 2005, 07:23 PM
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Fern,
Your last statement sums it up perfectly.
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I can remember many years ago when our oldest granddaughter was about 3 or 4. Her parents had left me to play mommy for about a week while they vacationed. One morning I had taken both girls to the bank. Erica decided to sit at the managers desk (Sat morn, no one there) start writing, then run around the place, and on and on. I tried to reason. Finally I informed her, if she didn't straighten up I would not take her to the amusement park that afternoon. She thought she knew better and choose to raise all kinds of He##. She didn't go to the amusement park. I never again had to threaten her. By standing firm she knew who was in charge. Today she is a young lady, just graduated from CSU, is working in Ok City and about to be married to a delightful young man. BTW, she calls me at least once every 10 days or so. To this day, she knows who is boss. Recently she did try to challenge me again. Before I could set her straight, her fiance did.

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It all begins in the home!!!!! I have been on cruises where the children were unruly and the adults obnoxious. So who do you blame??? The poster who said not many children on 10 day cruises is correct. But on the last 10 day we saw first hand the "older, more mature( you would think) adult, who was soooo demanding, if I were the waiter their soup, that they demanded be HOT would have found a place close to their lap. Is this the case of the "kid" being demanding and getting everything they wanted?? Who knows. Enjoy your cruise. We encounter mannerless people at malls, eating places, and just walking down the street. You are only responsible for yourself. Have a great cruise!!

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Carol, we do encounter rudeness and lazyness everywhere we go anymore. I suppose we always did, but not the it's my business, it's me that matters and so on. Yes, the unruly children are a product of poor or no parenting in most cases. The difference between rude people in the mall, restaurant or street we can get away from them, on a ship we are stuck. Have you ever noticed that really rude person you encounter on the ship or the bratty kid seems to be everyplace you go? As for the older generation, yes, we can be demanding, but many of us, infact most of us are happy to be able to travel, enjoy our experiences and are pretty laid back. NMNita
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