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yeah, I saw that on CNN today..

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americ...ger/index.html

I wonder how much he stood to inherit from her? a wife disappears at 3:40 a.m? Good bet it's the hubby that did it to her.
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going on the pearl on the 4th...would they cancel the cruise because of this?
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yeah, I saw that on CNN today..

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americ...ger/index.html

I wonder how much he stood to inherit from her? a wife disappears at 3:40 a.m? Good bet it's the hubby that did it to her.
Hey you know it's the perfect crime. 8) No one saw what happened and there's no body to look for clues as to what happened to her.
If he did push her over it looks like he'll get away with it.....
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yeah, I saw that on CNN today..

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I wonder how much he stood to inherit from her? a wife disappears at 3:40 a.m? Good bet it's the hubby that did it to her.


Hey you know it's the perfect crime. No one saw what happened and there's no body to look for clues as to what happened to her.
If he did push her over it looks like he'll get away with it.....
I wouldn't be so sure... at this point this all seems pretty premature in the investigation to draw conclusions. There is a lot of video surveillance on the Pearl. If the passenger went off one of the balconies it would probably have been caught on video. It's all so sad anytime a young person vanishes especially with all the unanswered questions and at Holiday time.
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americ...ger/index.html

I wonder how much he stood to inherit from her? a wife disappears at 3:40 a.m? Good bet it's the hubby that did it to her.


Hey you know it's the perfect crime. No one saw what happened and there's no body to look for clues as to what happened to her.
If he did push her over it looks like he'll get away with it.....
I wouldn't be so sure... at this point this all seems pretty premature in the investigation to draw conclusions. There is a lot of video surveillance on the Pearl. If the passenger went off one of the balconies it would probably have been caught on video. It's all so sad anytime a young person vanishes especially with all the unanswered questions and at Holiday time.
ok then who is she going to be with at that time of the early morning, if not her hubby? I'm sure there might be other possible answers, but not too many.
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I wonder how much he stood to inherit from her? a wife disappears at 3:40 a.m? Good bet it's the hubby that did it to her.


Hey you know it's the perfect crime. No one saw what happened and there's no body to look for clues as to what happened to her.
If he did push her over it looks like he'll get away with it.....
I wouldn't be so sure... at this point this all seems pretty premature in the investigation to draw conclusions. There is a lot of video surveillance on the Pearl. If the passenger went off one of the balconies it would probably have been caught on video. It's all so sad anytime a young person vanishes especially with all the unanswered questions and at Holiday time.
ok then who is she going to be with at that time of the early morning, if not her hubby? I'm sure there might be other possible answers, but not too many.
It's MUCH TOO EARLY to make the big jump to conclusions with so little information available. If her husband reported her missing at 4 or 5 AM, it doesn't necessarily mean that's when she went overboard.

He may have gone to bed much earlier, and left her in the casino or in a lounge... and woken later to find she wasn't in the cabin. There's many nights on a cruise, where Mrs. Kuki goes to sleep much earlier than I do.
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yeah, I saw that on CNN today..

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americ...ger/index.html

I wonder how much he stood to inherit from her? a wife disappears at 3:40 a.m? Good bet it's the hubby that did it to her.
Hey you know it's the perfect crime. 8) No one saw what happened and there's no body to look for clues as to what happened to her.
If he did push her over it looks like he'll get away with it.....
You need to work with Greta and Geraldo. They jumped to conclusions about an incident on the Dawn and ended up with a large crow stuffed in their big months. But not until after they ruined a man's life who had just lost his wife, national coverage of the most evil statements from her family and both reporters. Not sure how that man could even return to his job. In case you did not follow the story video showed the foolish woman fell trying to climb from one balcony to another in a Noreaster to suprise her friends.

Perfect crime The Pearl has over 2000 video cameras onboard. Every movement of this woman and her husband will be extracted in time.

I would wait for the facts before you burn the husband at the stake.
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Shoreguy-my sentiments exactly! I couldn't believe how a few posters jumped to such morbid conclusions without having any facts about this terrible incident. We can all speculate on what MIGHT have happened but let's not play judge and jury before the evidence is in.
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holidays+stress+booze= depression or stupity does not always equal hubby doing it. Plus she could have just had a terrible accident.
Or maybe aliens abducted her? we rush to judgement too quickly if his name was drew peterson then ok but right now let the cruise dock first.
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It's utterly ridiculous to speculate
A. that this was a homicide.
B. that the husband did it.
You know none of the facts, you know nothing of the investigation.

There will be dozens of people to be interviewed and lots of tape from surveillance cams to review as well as insurance documents and medical records to check out.

I spent 25 years as a prosecutor, but I sure wouldn't want any wild speculators on the jury -- too easily influenced.

Please be patient , and don't state wild unsupported conclusions.
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none of us know what happened, I think too many have either read skinny Dip, which, btw is a fun book to read on a cruise, or, as Shoreguy said watch Greta and Geraldo. They love these stories. I am a pretty big Fox supporter, but take what they say with a grain of salt.
Sure it looks questionable, but no one knows for sure. These things do happen from time to time...So, for those of you who haven't read Skinny Dip get it on Amazon or some such place, but don't lets not jump to conclusions.

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Last reports she is still missing, found this report.

"Here's the link to the report as per NBC Today show. "

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The Orlando Sentinel report is confusing It says that the ships video shows her falling overboard at 8.08 P.M. on the 26th which was Friday. But her husband reported her missing EARLY Friday??? He reported her missing BEFORE she went overboard? That sounds a little suspicious but then again maybe it's a typo.
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There are stories on purely speculative web sites that scuffle sounds were heard in their cabin about the time she is reported to have gone overboard. Included was a report of "someone" yelling "stop hitting me" however, if you are going to report that wouldn't you report who yelled it, as in whether it was a male or female?

The cruise line says it has video of her going overboard - but the word they use is "falling" - not jumping or "was pushed."

It is sad that the husband would not report her as missing until 3:30 but this is SO common in these cases. Almost idenitcally to George Smith, the couple had a fight and went their separate ways. She did not show up to dinner or come "home" early.

The last time he saw her was around 8:00 p.m. But he did not get truly worried about her (obviously not unusual) behavior until 3:30 am when he reported it.

They should have a record of people entering the stateroom by keycard, but not leaving. They also had her mother-in-law onboard.

The FBI apparently questioned the husband & mother, and the people in the adjacent cabins and above & below.

Naturally - there are web sites already blaming the cruise line for what happened (why, I have no idea). I read three or four oddly similar comments by people who were "on the ship" and were "dicusted" or "discousted" with NCL (out of four different people making comments comments, all were on the ship and none could spell the word "disgusted") because NCL did not turn around or make an announcement on the ship that the woman was missing.

Well - first of all, they already had the Mexican coast guard in boats and a helicopter looking all day and the next for the woman. Secondly, she was reported missing at 3:30 am and they subsequently found video of her going over at 8:00 pm the previous night . They already knew she was not on the ship and had a search underway by the next morning. They sealed the scene and then waited for the FBI to take over in Miami. That is the protocol of the industry as mandated by Congress. NCL did nothing wrong.

It is not the cruise line's duty to conduct investigations in cases like this. They are not CSI professionals. The FBI was seen interviewing all the pertinent witnesses in Miami.

But the cruise line bashers will be out as usual - calling for congressional hearings. (Un)fortunately, Congress has much more important things to worry about this year than policing an industry that doesn't need policing.
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So it must be a typo then. Her husband must have reported her missing at 3.30 a.m. on SATURDAY the 27th not Friday the 26th.??? The video of her falling was taken at 8.08 PM on FRIDAY.
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Not sure but from what I have heard on TV, it sounds as if they see her going overboard around 8:00 that evening but since it was from her private balcony they can't see exactly what happened from the angle of the camera, only see a white blur going overboard (at first they say it appears to be someone in a white bathrobe but later backed off from that statement and said they couldn't tell about the robe for sure as the pic is grainy and a lot of stuff appears white).

That means she could have fell, been pushed, or jumped trying to commit suicide???? Still a lot of unanswered questions but hopefully some more camera views/angles will tell something more (also could be important whether hubby was seen elsewhere on ship's videos in different place at the time of the incident, etc).
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Not sure but from what I have heard on TV, it sounds as if they see her going overboard around 8:00 that evening but since it was from her private balcony they can't see exactly what happened from the angle of the camera, only see a white blur going overboard (at first they say it appears to be someone in a white bathrobe but later backed off from that statement and said they couldn't tell about the robe for sure as the pic is grainy and a lot of stuff appears white).

That means she could have fell, been pushed, or jumped trying to commit suicide???? Still a lot of unanswered questions but hopefully some more camera views/angles will tell something more (also could be important whether hubby was seen elsewhere on ship's videos in different place at the time of the incident, etc).
or we might end up never knowing like so many other similar cases.

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Instead of just posting links we would appreciate you leaving comments. Thank you!

The link just posted says the FBI has ruled her husband out as a suspect. That is the only report we have that says that, so it may not be accurate, but it is something.

It was HER mother that was traveling with them, and it appears bopth he and her mother chose to stay on the ship until the end of the cruise. Oh, and ironically, they also lived in a mobile home.
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As in all such cases the Hubby will be the primary and initial "person of interest." He will be given an opportunity by the FBI to take a poly. If he declines or if he lawyers up, then you can start to speculate.

"That means she could have fell, been pushed, or jumped trying to commit suicide????"

No, it means none of those things, it means they saw a "white blur" going overboard, nothing else. Wait for the investigation to take its course.

One interesting snippet, if true: I saw a passenger who is an ex cop and a cruise acquaintance of the pair interviewed today. He said after the woman disappeared, the hubby took a bag of quarters and went to the casino. Very strange conduct for a recently bereaved husband.
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Hi Paul,
Yes and the family stated that she did have emotional problems and most likely decided to end it this way.So sad.I've been trying to keep updates posted as I find them.I know everyone was interested in what happened to this poor woman.
It still seems strange that the husband and mom took so long before they noticed she was missing. And on Christmas day too.
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Reuters MIAMI – The family of a missing cruise ship passenger said Monday that they suspect the woman "chose an unfortunate ending to her life" and jumped from a cruise ship balcony into the waters off Mexico's coast on Christmas night. The U.S. Coast Guard suspended its search Monday for Jennifer Ellis Seitz, a Florida journalist, after combing more than 4,200 square miles off the coast of the popular resort area of Cancun, where the ship had just visited. Mexican authorities said they would continue their search for another 48 hours.
Seitz had "previous emotional issues," yet there were no outward signs of distress while on the seven-night cruise from Miami, her family said in a statement given to one of her former employers, The News Chief in Winter Haven. Seitz's mother joined her daughter and son-in-law on the cruise.
"Jennifer was in a very happy and uplifted mood both before and during the cruise," the Ellis family said in the statement. "She was excited about starting a new job and her future career with a local newspaper. She and her husband had been talking about starting their family. The family suspects that Jennifer chose an unfortunate ending to her life. She was a beautiful and caring person and will be truly missed by all who love her."
Seitz and her husband, Raymond, were celebrating their one-year anniversary on the Norwegian Pearl cruise ship.
A surveillance camera showed someone falling overboard at 8 p.m. Christmas night, authorities said. About eight hours later, Raymond Seitz reported his wife missing.

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RIch Stacy says, quote: " "That means she could have fell, been pushed, or jumped trying to commit suicide????"No, it means none of those things, it means they saw a "white blur" going overboard, nothing else. Wait for the investigation to take its course."......

Well excuse me Rich Stacy but if they saw her going overboard, then yes it does mean she either fell, was pushed, or meant to jump in order to commit suicide. I am waiting for the rest of the investigation to determine which one of those 3 but can you tell me another scenario besides falling, being pushed, or jumping that would end with somebody going overboard?
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Eliminate the word "falling". There is a similar thread running on the Carnival forum concerning the Carnival musician who went overboard on New years Eve (New years day?) Paul Motter correctly points out that "falling off" a cruise ship is not possible. It implies it was accidental. You "fall off" a cliff or a tight rope. You can jump off a cruise ship or you can get tossed off a cruise ship.You could "fall off" the RAILING of a cruise ship if you were stupid or drunk enough to go there but then that's hardly accidental. The bottom line is that NCL or Carnival or the cruise industry in general are in no way responsible for these tragedies. I also noted that the OP has backed off from her "the husband must have done it" theory
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