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Old June 21st, 2010, 12:53 PM
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Default Epic engine problems on the way to Southampton

This article here says Epic can only travel at half-speed: Norwegian Epic delayed due to technical difficulties (From This is Hampshire)

Meanwhile, the ship has scheduled itself 7 days to make the transatlantic crossing, which means it has to travel full out, at 23 knots, to make the trip in that amount of time.

Queen Mary 2 makes the journey in 6 days - and she travels close to 30 knots when doing - the fastest passenger ship (of size) in the world.

Going half speed it will take Epic far more than 7 days to make this trip, they will be lucky to be in New York by the Fourth of July.

It all boils down to whether or not this is a minor problem that has been dealt with, or whether it is a major problem the line just has not fully owned up to yet. I guess we will see.
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as for now
her speed is 13,7 kn (25,4 km/h)
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Old June 21st, 2010, 04:05 PM
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Thanks sergei - it begs the question - if she is capable of going at full power and she left Rotterdam 7 hours late - why wouldn't she be gong at full speed.

I hate to say I smell something rotten - and it isn't in Denmark but it is close (Sorry if you doint get the Sergei, it an American expression),

But I want the ship to be fine, because I paid to be in that cruise.
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I certainly wouldn't want any company to pay that much money for anything that didn't perform as expected but with all due respect, it seems that the Epic has a history of problems from the beginning.
First of all, the design , to me, is horrible. I realize this may not affect the way it does or doesn't operate or maybe even ride, but with the design as it is, it makes me wonder about the mechanics of the thing.
Hopefully it's just some minor bugs that can be worked out without too much trouble and they will get it on track and be highly successful.
However, I wish you luck on your crossing Paul-- hope you have calm , smooth seas--if not, keep a diary for the rest of us as to how she rides and responds to high winds and waves !!
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But there is nearly 4200 passangers on bord,
so if there is enough paddles on ship
then we can get to New York very quickly.


OK 13,1 kn is not really a half spead (normally it must be 22-23 kn )
but it is really very very slow.

So all what we need are the strong people and long paddles.
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Its all Colin's fault.

I'll tell something else that has totally fallen apart with that cruise line - the public relations department.

They are no longer answering my questions - they don't like me.

Why?

They won't tell me.

I don't exist.

And I must say - this does not usually happen to me. So the more I talk about it (and I have nothing to hide) the more I meet people who say the same thing - there is someone at NCL who is a self-absorbed pompous as you already know what I mean,

And we have a consensus of opinion there from all corners.
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Old June 21st, 2010, 05:11 PM
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Selfishly it suits us, we can go to see her come in now!!...Sorry!
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Old June 21st, 2010, 05:13 PM
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Arghhh, you're a scurvy dog!

Why don't you come and see me Wednesday night. I'll be at the Southampton Holiday Inn.

(actually I was contacted by a Kanda Jones near Southampton who wants to meet me that night).
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Sorry Paul, you did ask me before & I did not reply, I would love to see you and anyone else, but as poor pensioners we work evenings on minimum wage to fund ....well life, really!!
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That is so British - " a pensioner"

I was just kidding - you don't have to come and see me. But if I run into you somewhere I will buy you guys dinner.
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Would love to meet you, what do you call people who are retired (mostly) & live on pensions over there?
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Well, first of all the concept of pensions is nearly dead in America. We have 401k and IRA personal savings accounts.

I guess we just say the person is living on his or her retirement benefits - Sometimes we say they are "on a pension plan" but they are not a category of people over here.

I know you guys (Brits) actually have the acronym: OAP

I let the Americans guess what it stands for - you see it in the headlines:

OAP wins the lottery.
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We still have a state pension we have paid into all our working lives, not enough... so some have a personal plan too,... still not enough, so we work|!!
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I did the math earlier today. The distance between the port of Rotterdam and Southampton is 229 nautical miles, or 263 land miles. The ship would average 12 knots to make the trip under the original timeline, which was 19 hours. With the new timeline of ~27 hours the speed will average 9 knots. This could be indicative of a much larger problem since you'd think that even if one screw was out-of-service they could still easily make 12 knots.
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>>they could still easily make 12 knot


They are making 13 knots just now !


O, my God, even 13,5 Knots , if she accselerate in such way maybe she
would be able to fly to moon.

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So the question is, if the ship is making 13.5 knots now then why did they need to add 8 hours to the arrival time since making 12 knots would have got the ship into Southampton on the original time line? Does this mean they will arrive earlier?
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I read this morning that she has a shaft problem which will be repaired whilst she is in Southampton, so it can only be a minor problem. However that does leave me wondering if it's that minor then why was it fixed in Rotterdam.

She has maintained a steady 13 -14 kts over night & is due to pick up her Southampton pilot at 13:00.

I'll let you know if I hear any more.


Looking forward to seeing you tomorrow Paul, hope you have a good flight over.

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Great news . Thanks!


>>why was it fixed in Rotterdam.
They cannot change batterie in my Alfex watches in Rotterdam.
They need 1-2 week to open my watches.
Banana republic!

Ok in Hethrow/London they can not open them too.
Banana republic!
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Yes - NCL just wrote to me to tell me the same thing - obviously they didn't know what they were going to do about the shaft or they would have said much earlier.
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I read this morning that she has a shaft problem which will be repaired whilst she is in Southampton, so it can only be a minor problem. However that does leave me wondering if it's that minor then why was it fixed in Rotterdam.
Ooops obviously the question "why was it fixed", should have read "why WASN'T it fixed" ;o)

Though I think Sergej may have the right answer
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The Epic took on her pilot for Southampton Water at 11:30 local time, having got up to 15.6 kts during the morning.
She is currently entering the Solent, and according to the Southampton Ports website www.southamptonvts.co.uk is now due alongside at 14:15 local time. Her departure for 6/24 shows 18:00 :o)

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THANKS FOR THE UPDATE, THE SHIP IS DUE TO BE FIXED WHILE IN SOUTHAMPTON.

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Well, first of all the concept of pensions is nearly dead in America. We have 401k and IRA personal savings accounts.

I guess we just say the person is living on his or her retirement benefits - Sometimes we say they are "on a pension plan" but they are not a category of people over here.

I know you guys (Brits) actually have the acronym: OAP

I let the Americans guess what it stands for - you see it in the headlines:

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OAP=Old Age Pension/Pensioner
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Its all Colin's fault.

I'll tell something else that has totally fallen apart with that cruise line - the public relations department.

They are no longer answering my questions - they don't like me.

Why?

They won't tell me.

I don't exist.

And I must say - this does not usually happen to me. So the more I talk about it (and I have nothing to hide) the more I meet people who say the same thing - there is someone at NCL who is a self-absorbed pompous as you already know what I mean,

And we have a consensus of opinion there from all corners.
Try contacting Crane Gladding (email cgladding@"you know the domain name)... Passenger Services has always been quite responsive answering questions and since you have booked this, you are a passenger and entitled to have your questions answered.
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Good Luck Paul. Enjoy the Epic!
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Paul:
I was on the innaguaral transatlantic crossing of the QM2. I'd be more worried of the North Atlantic seas than the props. It was miserable. I, and many others spent a couple of days in cabin clinging to beds that were sliding across the room and there was a line up outside the medics office. Our suite was covered in broken glass and water that even their vacumns couldn't clean or dry up. Cunard (Carnival) offered no compensation for our ordeal. Hope for friendly seas. Bon Voyage!
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Hi Paul! Bon Voyage! I'm following this with baited breath since I'm doing the two-day media cruise from New York departing the 2nd. They simply HAVE to make it back in time...at least for the Macy's fireworks event on the 4th at least. Keep us informed and have a great time--hope to see you in NY...ON TIME.
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