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Indications of Mysterious Death on Norwegian Epic Saturday Night

The South Florida CBS Television web site is reporting that Norwegian Epic was turned around and sailed back to Miami late Saturday night, and that upon returning to Miami several police in uniform did board the ship.

Reports say that about 2:00 a.m. what appeared to be a covered body on a gurney was taken off the ship. The FBI is reported to be investigating right now.

The report is based largely on comments taken from "a well-known cruise community". The article says posters reported a "code alpha" broadcasted throughout the ship during a show by the ship's magician. 15 minutes later the cruise director came on and said the ship was returning to Miami. No explanation was given as to why.

However, rumors circulated the ship that the victim was a 21-year old man who apparently died from an allergic reaction to something he ate. It was also said that a family of six people would be getting off with the body.

It was reported that police stayed onboard until 2:20 a.m. and the gangway came up about 2:45. The ship set sail again at 3:30 and it is said no ports of call will be missed.

Several passengers did report seeing several Miami police officers onboard, walking through deck 10. Guests onboard were concerbed there was not more information forthcoming. No names have been released, or other further information. There is no comment from NCL yet.
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Oh man. What a sad story if its true.


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This was just posted by CBS4:

"On Sunday Miami FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela told CBS4 a man aboard the ship had a fatal allergic reaction at sea and died before it could reach port."
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How sad. I wonder where and what he ate?
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I dont know - but a lot of policemen did board. Looks like they suspected something at first.

Makes me wonder if they were still within the legal limit when it first happened (although the passnegers said it was at night and it took almost 2 hours to get back to Miami.

Also - why wouldn't they send a helicopter out. He must have gone fairly quickly.

Ii is possible NCL made a fatal mistake by not disclosing a specific ingredient in a dish. Or it may have been something he took himself onboard.
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They must suspect something specific if they think it could be food. I wonder if we will ever know?
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I've never noticed any warnings about peanuts on cruise ships, but obviously they are used in some recipes. No doubt all eyes will be on the coroners report and the results of lab tests from the victim.
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How tragic Sometimes seafood can trigger reactions, peanuts as mentioned as well, could be the culprit..so hard for people witrh a peanut allergy to know if that is in many of the recipes used onboard, especially the Asian dishes
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Two things - they should say in the menu if a dish has any residue of peanuts - that is common practice now. People with that allergy can be hyper-sensitive.

Second - for the record - when I was on Epic at Teppanyaki the waiter did inde ed ask each of us if we had any food allergies. He went around the table and asked individually.

I would readlly like the hear the details behind this - but yo can be sure that if NCL feels at all responsible they will not be the ones to admit what they did wrong. NOT because they are bad people - but solely because they will be advised by lawyers not to say anything and plsu they don't need to add to what could become a fair amount of negative publicity.
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Indications of Mysterious Death on Norwegian Epic Saturday Night

The South Florida CBS Television web site is reporting that Norwegian Epic was turned around and sailed back to Miami late Saturday night, and that upon returning to Miami several police in uniform did board the ship.

Reports say that about 2:00 a.m. what appeared to be a covered body on a gurney was taken off the ship. The FBI is reported to be investigating right now.

The report is based largely on comments taken from "a well-known cruise community". The article says posters reported a "code alpha" broadcasted throughout the ship during a show by the ship's magician. 15 minutes later the cruise director came on and said the ship was returning to Miami. No explanation was given as to why.

However, rumors circulated the ship that the victim was a 21-year old man who apparently died from an allergic reaction to something he ate. It was also said that a family of six people would be getting off with the body.

It was reported that police stayed onboard until 2:20 a.m. and the gangway came up about 2:45. The ship set sail again at 3:30 and it is said no ports of call will be missed.

Several passengers did report seeing several Miami police officers onboard, walking through deck 10. Guests onboard were concerbed there was not more information forthcoming. No names have been released, or other further information. There is no comment from NCL yet.
Paul, keep us posted, but I am sure we will see more information other places if there is any truth to the story. It appears something did happen form what you are reporting.

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Here is a link to the story as written in the Miami Herald:

Cruise ship passenger dies; Epic returns briefly to the Port of Miami - Miami-Dade Breaking News - MiamiHerald.com

As stated in the report hte FBI state "there was no foul play suspected"

A very tragic story.

If it was from some food that he ate in any of the dining rooms then NCL should at least in the future make clear of the possibility of food allergy to the item.
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Second - for the record - when I was on Epic at Teppanyaki the waiter did indded ask each of us if we had any food allergies. He went around the table and asked individually.
This is a nice touch. Credit to that waiter for doing it. Can't say I recall ever being asked this in the MDR.

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For instance if there were an allergy to nuts involved for example.. it is very difficult to know in the processing of some products if nuts have been used in any of the ingredients (unless you try to understand the fine print on every item that is in a recipe). If the person were highly allergic to an item.. would you think he would of had an "epi pen" on him or the family would have.. I would not find the c ruise line at fault.. if the allergy were known to him and the family then it's their responsibiity to make it known to the staff. In most salad bars at least on land.. there is a product used to keep the veggies fresh. and that has triggered allergic reactions in many.A dear friend suffered an allergic reaction just last week after eating raw tuna..she is an avid fish eater and the mercury and sprays they use to keep the fish looking fresh caught up with her.. she used her epi pen and was if there wasnt instant relief would have been rushed to a local hospital. Unfortunately, the chemicals that are now in our food are causing more and more people to have allergies and unless your growing your own...we are all taking chances
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according to a spokesperson for NCL we can rest assured it wasn't a murder, but most likely a heart attack or an alergic reaction. My heart felt sympaty goes out to the family.

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Seems the Epic continues to have its share of bad luck. Remember those mysterious fires on board during construction and the negative publicity it got? This may not be Norwegians fault but it adds to the mystery. Of course I just have an active imagination. One other thing, isnt there that new law about cruise lines having to report all aspects of potential crime etc? Maybe all the cops on board were there because of this law.
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Not to tread on this loss but we cruise with a friend that has a food allergy. Thousands of passengers don't need to wade through a bunch of warnings that mean nothing to them because she notifies the line of her allergy. The head waiter and waiter both make sure that she knows which food items are OK for her. They even make non-menu items that make her feel special instead being a burden.

I realize this person may not have been aware of an allergy but then wouldn't common sense dictate that he wouldn't care about a warning?

I am a firm believer in individual responsibility and as I stated, I have seen firsthand how well a cruise line handles an allergy WHEN they are notified.

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Robbie, I agree responsibilty is key..but....this may not have happened in the dining room though. A lounge with munchies, room service, cafes, etc. A tragedy for sure.
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Unlike TV medical shows that show that an Epi-pen will stop a reaction in a few seconds and the person is just fine. In real life it can be much different. If the reaction is violent enough, severe enough or has gone on for a number of minutes the epi-pen will not save the person.

I had a co-worker who was stung by a bee and died even after injected with an epi-pen less than two minutes after the reaction began.

I'm sorry for this person and their family.

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Having food allergies (especially seafood) I can feel for this family, it is not the holiday you want to remember. Since I spend most of my time on board the QM2, my file in the maitre d's computer lists my allergies and at dinner the first evening I inform my waitstaff and the head waiter. I am supplied with the lunch and dinner menus for the next day. My problem is the buffets. I daren't take anything which has a seafood dish next to it because people pick up a serving utensil and dip it in both dishes contaminating the non-fish item.
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There are many allergies. I see the most common in this forum, Peanuts and Sea Food.
There is also Wheat. This requires a Gluten free Diet. Lots of luck getting the cruise line to accommodate this. As a travel agent, I have faxed and re-faxed my request on behalf of my guest to many different cruise lines and it's always the same answer. We have to check but we can't do it tonight.
Only one cruise was able to get this right so far this year.

I wonder if the medical staff onboard were too able to identify that he was having an Anaphylactic shock, and if so, I would hope they had epinephrine onboard the ship.
It does appear if this were case, they didn't indentify and that would be a shame as he could have saved his life.
Someone commented we will probably never know. I agree.
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Hey all, I read this article from the email blast and wanted to post.

I have food allergies. Like the Paul, I'm lucky that I can have a few nibbles, get some hives or a swollen tongue or an itchy mouth right away as a warning. Do I tell waiters and chefs about my food allergies? Not usually, I just ask them to not use certain ingredients like quacamole. Mostly, it is just to save me the trouble of scraping off the quacamole. No fruit for me. No tree nuts. I can handle some peanuts but not many.

How did I learn I had food allergies? Well, I went into anaphylactic shock on a golf course when I was 21. I had no idea I was allergic to the orange juice I drank at the start of the round. Thinking back, a lot of foods gave me some nausea but I never thought it was an indication of allergy. The nausea came and went. Now, I see the correlation to my allergies.

I've carried an Epi-Pen for about 5 years now. Never used it. I'm not happy to hear that it won't save my life in the effect of a bad reaction. I hope it works. I thought it would at least give me 15 minutes to get to medical care.

Very sad about the young man that died.
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Cruises44 I find it sad that, cruise lines cannot pay attention to the very important needs of the passengers with life threatening food allergies.

I know trying to cook the 1000's of meals they make every day is daunting,and to add this complication, is not an easy task, but given the fact this info would be given to the line before the passenger boards, it should be easier

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As Paul stated in his article and as Leo99 stated in his post it is possible to have food allergies and not know until you finally get a reaction. Same with me, Iam allergic to citrus, for a long time as long as I didn't drink more than 6 oz in a day I was fine but then all of a sudden if there is even a small amount of citric acid in food or drink I will get hives.

It is very possible that this young man did not know that he had a allergy when he ate whatever it was. I feel for his family.
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Not to tread on this loss but we cruise with a friend that has a food allergy. Thousands of passengers don't need to wade through a bunch of warnings that mean nothing to them because she notifies the line of her allergy. The head waiter and waiter both make sure that she knows which food items are OK for her. They even make non-menu items that make her feel special instead being a burden.

I realize this person may not have been aware of an allergy but then wouldn't common sense dictate that he wouldn't care about a warning?

I am a firm believer in individual responsibility and as I stated, I have seen firsthand how well a cruise line handles an allergy WHEN they are notified.

Standing by for forty lashes............
I have a severe reaction to gluten and am also allergic to beef and dairy. I always notify the cruise lines in advance. Carnival in particular has been wonderful about cooking Gluten Free/dairy free meals at dinner. I opt for assigned seating to make it easy for the dining room staff to find me to either pre-order the next night's meal and to deliver the specially prepared food. I order the night before and can have most menu items with modifications. If they can't make it gluten free/dairy free they tell me right away so I can make another choice. However, I am on my own at breakfast and lunch. I know I have to specifically request fresh eggs as the powdered variety and omelet mix contain gluten. I stick to eggs and fresh fruit at breakfast and salad with oil and vinegar at lunch. My motto is when in doubt do without - the resulting vomiting, diarrhea and stomach pains are not worth any amount of momentary pleasure. If I get contaminated I am sick for about 12-15 hours - an easy way to ruin a cruise. I do not hold them responsible for my food choices - it is my responsibility to make sure that everything I eat fits within my guidelines. Last year they even baked my husband and I a GF/dairy free cake for our anniversary. The chef used coconut milk and a vegan butter substitute. It was beautiful and tasted great. Royal Caribbean also has done a great job taking care of these dietary requests as well, but the staff on some Carnival ships have gone way above and beyond in an effort to make sure I enjoyed the food on the cruise. You better believe we tip these people well over and above the automatic tipping amount.

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I am allergic to sulfites. I warn the Matre De at the beginning of the cruise and each night I am given the following night's menu, so if there is wine (sulfites) in the dish, they prepare the dish without the wine. GREAT!! One night, I ordered Southern Fried Chicken -- harmless you would think. During dinner, I had a sulfite reaction. You would assume there were no sulfites in the southern fried chicken ----WRONG. The ship gets "prepackaged/prepared" meals which they cook onboard. YES, sulfites were used as a preservative for the fried chicken at the processing house. The "contains sulfites" print was on the "outside" of the box which contained 25-50 prepared pieces of chicken.
The matre de spoke to the chef and all were "puzzled" about my allergic reaction. Then, after dinner, the matre de and chef did more investigation and found the outer box.
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Nice to hear they are going above and beyond for the passengers who need this special attention
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I suppose that in the case of severe allergies it is always dangerous to eat anything you did not see propared yourself. In a way this almost makes traveling impossible.

I am glad to hear that Carnival (and RCCL) are so accomodating. But they can only try. The problem is that you have a number of people preparing each dish; slicers, prep cooks, sous chefs, etc. and not all of them are informed about any one person's dietary restrictions.

Think how hard it must be for the cruise line to keep track of each individual and their dietary restrictions. You should be wearing a ribbon or something so they know it is you.

The Epipen (from the limited amount I read) is just one dose and anaphylatctic shock can recur from one incident of ingesting the wrong food. You are supposed to stick it, hold it in for 10 seconds, take it out and massage the muscle.

It must go into a muscles but not an overly large one or it may not circulate fast enough.

Since the result is low blood pressure and lack of oxygen, I again refer to the CPR technique of represted chest compression. As long as you are getting blood to the brain there should be enough ixygem in it until an ENT arrives.

I think the biggest danger is people not knowing what to do. With CPR they say every five minutes you delay increases the chance of death by 20%.
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Food allergies are very scary and can come on suddenly. It might be that the name who died didn't know he had that allergy.
I am an avid traveler, but extensive food allergies have meant most of the world not possible except by Cruise ship. I always have an Epi Pen with me. Fortunately my food allergies, although serious, are not life threatening.
I always send my can't eat food lists when I pay for the cruises. I have taken 6 NCL cruises and on every one, not only do they go over the next day's menus w/ me the night before, but also prepare special foods made just for me, but every person who files a food allergy list with them is assigned a special person to oversee their needs. I know this because I met another passenger who some food allergies and she had a totally different asst Maitre D looking after her food needs than the one assigned to me.
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I used to be a volunteer with a Christian organization in Jersualem, Israel.
We conducted Christian trips in the land.

We required every participant to complete a medical questionnaire before they were accepted, and before they came to Israel.

We had a group of about 40 in the Negev Desert, which included a short walk in the desert.

Suddenly, a woman of about 40-years, collapsed to the ground. She did not respond. We carried her to the bus, and left for a nearby kibbutz. We took her to the kibbutz clinic. On examination, they found a "Diabetic" charm on a chain around her neck. They checked her blood sugar, and found it extremely low. She was in diabetic shock. They then treated her, and she began to recover.

Needless to say, most of the day's programs were cancelled.

When we got back to Jerusalem, I pulled her medical questionnaire. There was absolutely no mention that she was diabetic, and needed insulin shots several times a day. Luckily, we were able to get her to medical help. She hadn't even brought her insulin kit with her on the bus.

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If you have any sort of medical condition, and are going on a cruise, please inform the cruise line before boarding. I am diabetic, and I always inform the cruise line. Also, I have to be sure that I can store my injectible drugs in a fridge. If the cabin does not have a minibar fridge, I request a small fridge be in my cabin.

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