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First I have to say that I don't understand the accusations about this board and the administration. I am on a lot of diverse forums. The reason I like it here is I find there are a lot of people who ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT! Even in a political debate, many of the regulars may not agree, but get some really good discussions going. I have had many of my well held ideas challenged.

Second, I have ALWAYS had my questions about cruising answered promptly and accurately. What more could I want from this site?

On politics - I will vote for Obama, my son, who has a lot of health problems, would not be on our insurance if it were not for so called "Obama Care." Obama actually did what no politician could do before him, he passed health care reform. Flawed, as even he admits, but a beginning. It the Republicans would have worked with him we could have had a good law, but it was more important to them to seek power that to seek the good of the nation.
Thank you. I also do not understand why anyone would question our right to run this board the way we see fit.

AR - fyi, your remarks about were not just rude, they were way off base. I work for a parent company I have to consult before I make any moves. I can make recommendations, but I like to base them on what I think our people want. Therefore I asked the people here what they think.

Finally - I have to be clear that I can't spend all of my time in this discussion, so I appreciate it you do not make me the center of it. Use what I say as fodder for topics if you want, but please do not assume anything about what I think. And if I am not here it is because there are a LOT of cruise boards here which I have to manage.
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What BS am I posting ?I was not aware that I was posting any .
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Old August 25th, 2012, 02:41 PM
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Threads like this appear on cruise cretins from time to time but eventually get pulled. How long that takes seems to depend on who is moderating and which set of standards they decide to use.

Anything over 1 page there is certainly off-topic.
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I don't see any problem....I actually believe that 75% of Americans agree with ole Hank!
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I don't see any problem....I actually believe that 75% of Americans agree with ole Hank!
Truck, I don't know you at all but as a Liberal I find that statement would be typical from my opposition, uniformed and untrue.

I have a lot of moderate conservative friends that I have great discussions with and I have learn a lot and changed my views on several things.

However, when a statement is made like this, all it does is make me believe that the person who made the statement is likely closed to any facts or reasoning...

... and IMHO is why we are in the predicament in this country that we find ourselves facing. All people want to do is throw stones instead of engaging in meaningful dialogue. The statements made by "ole Hank" are divisive and unhelpful and likely made to bolster a lousy career.
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I don't see any problem....I actually believe that 75% of Americans agree with ole Hank!
I am sure you are saying this in jest, however, racist hate-filled ignorance is hardly funny.
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I don't see it as hate speech. What I see is Hank Jr. stating his opinion.

When I was growing up there was all kinds of ethnic slurs and no one thought a thing about them. Today everyone is offended at the slightest thing....people really need to lighten up and not take things so personally.
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I don't see it as hate speech. What I see is Hank Jr. stating his opinion.

When I was growing up there was all kinds of ethnic slurs and no one thought a thing about them. Today everyone is offended at the slightest thing....people really need to lighten up and not take things so personally.
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck it probably is a duck.

Hank Jr's was stating his opinion and it was hate filled racism. Quack Quack !!!

If the President was white, his name was O'Bama and his father was a native Irishman who later returned to Ireland there would be none of this birther nonsense.
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If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck it probably is a duck.

Hank Jr's was stating his opinion and it was hate filled racism. Quack Quack !!!

If the President was white, his name was O'Bama and his father was a native Irishman who later returned to Ireland there would be none of this birther nonsense.
Oh my...this is funny! If you ever, ever listened very much to Hank JR. you would know that he isn't a racist. Hank's problem with Obama is not his color, but rather his communist beliefs.
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Oh my...this is funny! If you ever, ever listened very much to Hank JR. you would know that he isn't a racist. Hank's problem with Obama is not his color, but rather his communist beliefs.

So, when he was saying that Obama is a Muslim, he meant to say communist, and not imply anything else.

Guess he's in the same stable as Florida Congressman Allen West, who stated that he new 80 democratic members were card carrying communists.

The amount of stuff that is just made up is what is making a mess of the US elections.

And the lack of the willingness of supporters on either side to actually use reason and call it BS when it occurs just lets the BS dominate.
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Oh my...this is funny! If you ever, ever listened very much to Hank JR. you would know that he isn't a racist. Hank's problem with Obama is not his color, but rather his communist beliefs.
Hmmmm....

I have always found that when one starts labeling fellow countrymen as having Socialist or Communist beliefs it is either to gain an advantage or, and I am sorry to say this, from fearful ignorance.

Truck, I don't know you. I would guess you are a nice person. However, that kind of thing pushes my buttons.
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Oh my...this is funny! If you ever, ever listened very much to Hank JR. you would know that he isn't a racist. Hank's problem with Obama is not his color, but rather his communist beliefs.

Obama to me is a ultra conservative ,not a communist .
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Most people who call someone a Communist don't even know what that means.

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Exactly ,Manuel .Well said.
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When I was growing up there was all kinds of ethnic slurs and no one thought a thing about them. Today everyone is offended at the slightest thing....people really need to lighten up and not take things so personally.
It was allways offensive to make racial slurs or ethnic slurs. Back then that was not much a person could do about it.
But you have to understand that demeaning a person because of his or her background is doing the same thing that Hitler did.

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I have no problem calling Obama a Socialist. He certainly is not a Capitalist.
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Obama to me is a ultra conservative ,not a communist .
Wow!!! You must be way way far to the left.
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I have no problem calling Obama a Socialist. He certainly is not a Capitalist.
People who say this REALLY need to take a course in political science.
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Those to the right of Attila the Hun may well think President Obama is an extremist. He isn't.
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Those to the right of Attila the Hun may well think President Obama is an extremist. He isn't.
I would classify him as center-left. He has evolved over the years.
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I've voted for candidates on the Republican ,Conservative and minority party candidates .
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I have a very good friend who lived in Romania for many years before moving to the U.S. and becoming an American citizen. My friend lived under communism and tells me that most of Obama's policies are the same things he had to endure under communism. Communism and Socialism are both along the same plain. America needs neither as we are a Capitalist country that rewards hard work with luxury's that other nations do not enjoy. We are also a free country and do not need Government to tell us how to live our lives.
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Kuki never responded .However ,me thinks he posted this to give people the impression that I have posted BS .
Just a thought .
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I have a very good friend who lived in Romania for many years before moving to the U.S. and becoming an American citizen. My friend lived under communism and tells me that most of Obama's policies are the same things he had to endure under communism. Communism and Socialism are both along the same plain. America needs neither as we are a Capitalist country that rewards hard work with luxury's that other nations do not enjoy. We are also a free country and do not need Government to tell us how to live our lives.

We do not need government to tell us how to live but it is okay for the US to interfere in the everyday activity of other countries .That makes a lot of sense .
My thinking is that the majority of anti-Obama criticism is because he is black .
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I have a very good friend who lived in Romania for many years before moving to the U.S. and becoming an American citizen. My friend lived under communism and tells me that most of Obama's policies are the same things he had to endure under communism. Communism and Socialism are both along the same plain. America needs neither as we are a Capitalist country that rewards hard work with luxury's that other nations do not enjoy. We are also a free country and do not need Government to tell us how to live our lives.
So instead of studying what is going on and becoming familiar with the issues, the bills that have been proposed, you have listened to one guy from Romania.

Things are not as black and white as people like to believe. The truth is that we have had some socialist laws for years that everyone benefits from and has helped our country to become great.

The trick is to NOT label something as Socialist or Communist but to try to figure out how to tweak our broken system to enable the best outcome for the most people.

It is easy, my friend to throw stones, much harder to actually think and contribute.
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So instead of studying what is going on and becoming familiar with the issues, the bills that have been proposed, you have listened to one guy from Romania.

Things are not as black and white as people like to believe. The truth is that we have had some socialist laws for years that everyone benefits from and has helped our country to become great.

The trick is to NOT label something as Socialist or Communist but to try to figure out how to tweak our broken system to enable the best outcome for the most people.

It is easy, my friend to throw stones, much harder to actually think and contribute.
Oh I have studied, trust me! Yes, the socialist agenda has advanced ideas over the years, such as SSN, medicare and welfare, which are all unconstitutional by the way, just to mention a few.

No socialist program has ever made this nation greater or stronger! We are supposed to be a nation of people who take responsibilities for ourselves and our families, a nation that doesn't ask for handouts!
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No doubt we're better off without these socialized services:

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I have a friend who states she's against anything socialized. I asked her if, after removing the burglar from her house, she preferred the police bill her Visa or Mastercard........
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I would say that police and fire protection are part of the job of a local government wouldn't you? Education and reading materials though should be everyone's responsibility, not the governments.
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