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Old November 12th, 2012, 02:04 AM
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Why should people, who are on the government dole get to vote? Seems to me like it is a conflict of interest to give someone the ability to vote in a election when the government is paying their bills. I do not include those on Social Security who are retired, because they have paid for that right all their lives, but those on welfare and disability should not get a say in who runs this country.
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I have paid more than a million dollars in various taxes in my lifetime. I have also been on disability. I guess Im s**t out of luck in your world....
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Truck Cruiser, you need some help.

You just insulted my son who is legally blind. He does work but is limited to what he can do and qualifies for disability so he gets a payment every month.

I also get a disability payment from the VA.

I have better idea why don't they disqualify morons from voting?

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I would like to add that if my son had not been allowed to vote because of his disability, Romney would have one less vote.

I raised my son wrong. He turned out to be a Republican.

But I do have two daughters who are Democrats.

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Manny, while working the poll last Tuesday, I was blessed to witness a blind man and a hearing impaired couple come in to vote. I thought to myself about the marvelous technology that we have now that has literally opened the world to those with disabilities and about how fortunate we are because everyone can cast a vote.

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Michael thank you very much for your post.

I am very proud of my Kids.

My son goes to work everyday at a low paying job, but he likes to feel productive. He his a member of his town's Republican committee and he makes phone calls to support same.
My oldest daughter is a social worker who is taking course to up-grade her masters degree. Now she is very liberal and she campaigned for Obama. My youngest is a democrat but not as liberal,.
The best part is that they all get along and help each other and they don't let politics get in the way.

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Why should people, who are on the government dole get to vote? Seems to me like it is a conflict of interest to give someone the ability to vote in a election when the government is paying their bills. I do not include those on Social Security who are retired, because they have paid for that right all their lives, but those on welfare and disability should not get a say in who runs this country.
Unless you posted this just to begin a discussion - you do need help.

If you are really that bitter and removed from reality, I would seek some counselling. Better pay for it yourself though, would want you to feel worse.
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To say that the disabled should not vote is sad. Many many disabled are just as able to vote as some who are not.

If things turn around, and you have less people on the gov payroll, they will not get rid of the disabled. At least I hope not.
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To say that the disabled should not vote is sad. Many many disabled are just as able to vote as some who are not.

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That would describe my son. He is interested in politics and is very patriotic. He stays informed on local and national affairs. He allways tell me how proud he is that I served in the Military.
He is very family oriented and he calls me everyday.
If this country denied my son the right to vote I would not want to live here.

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Know what, Truck Cruiser, I'm kinda glad you posted this. You've brought both the liberals and conservatives on this board into common cause against your juvenile tirades.

Seems to me you have little chance of being taken seriously by anyone here.
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While everyone is entitled to their opinion on what "truck" posted, the quoted part of what was posted is an equally "juvenile tirade".

I don't understand why some of you folks just don't get it... disagree with the opinions given; stay away from the commentary about the poster.

Simple really.... "the opinions you've posted on this topic are NUTSO" is acceptable.

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Why should people, who are on the government dole get to vote? Seems to me like it is a conflict of interest to give someone the ability to vote in a election when the government is paying their bills. I do not include those on Social Security who are retired, because they have paid for that right all their lives, but those on welfare and disability should not get a say in who runs this country.
By your logic disabled military should not vote?

Gabby Giffords would obviously be disqualified.

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Again, it's really simple... respectful discourse and discussion. No one's opinions carry more weight than anyone elses, whether we agree or not.

If we don't we all have the ability to state our counterpoints.
I understand that, but this thread started out in an offensive and hateful manner.

Having opinions is fine but when they become so hateful they can cause some of us to respond in an un-friendly manner.

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Why should people, who are on the government dole get to vote? Seems to me like it is a conflict of interest to give someone the ability to vote in a election when the government is paying their bills. I do not include those on Social Security who are retired, because they have paid for that right all their lives, but those on welfare and disability should not get a say in who runs this country.
Why not take your argument to its logical conclusion and impose a minimum annual income of say $1 million to qualify for a vote??

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Anyone can rationalize any way they please, to pretend there's an alterior motive for the site. But the fact is we always encourage those who are unable or unwilling to follow the rules of the CruiseMate road to leave.

Again, it's really simple... respectful discourse and discussion. No one's opinions carry more weight than anyone elses, whether we agree or not.

If we don't we all have the ability to state our counterpoints.
Kuki, your tendency to play the scolding school-marm occasionally gets a little tiresome. When I edited my post #10, you could have easily taken down post 11, and everything would have been fine. But instead you had to climb into the pulpit.

Manuel is correct: The OP is itself hateful, and things that are so far over-the-top will generate strong responses. I was responsible enough to edit my own post, so please don't lecture.
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One of the structures not destroyed in my town is the VFW post . The majority of the people who come to meetings are disabled Korean War veterans . I could just imagine somebody telling these people that they are not allowed to vote .

I hope and pray that I never live in a society that the OP desires.
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I'm beginning to think that those who sign petitions to secede should be stripped of citizenship. Those subversives clearly don't want to be Americans.
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One of the structures not destroyed in my town is the VFW post . The majority of the people who come to meetings are disabled Korean War veterans . I could just imagine somebody telling these people that they are not allowed to vote .

I hope and pray that I never live in a society that the OP desires.

I second that emotion.

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Unless you posted this just to begin a discussion - you do need help.

If you are really that bitter and removed from reality, I would seek some counselling. Better pay for it yourself though, would want you to feel worse.
I did start this post so there can be discussion. Amazing how I must of poked the pig cause the pig squealed!

My point was simply this......There are many people on disability and welfare, 95% of these people would never vote someone in who "Might or probably" would reduce their benefits, this is just human nature. These people also do not contribute to the system in the form of income taxes. I have read, differing reports, where 50-52% of Americans who work actually pay all the income tax gathered in this nation. Doesn't it make sense for those who are contributing, those who are paying for those on welfare and disability to eat and have clothing and a roof over their head, to have more say where their money is spent then someone who doesn't pay into the system?

In the county where I live 73% of the people are on the public dole which leaves 27% who work to pay the taxes needed to keep the county afloat. Where is this fair?

I in no way, shape or form was trying to insult anyone. I have family members who are on the public dole. I was simply pointing to something that will keep people in office who do not deserve to be in office, just because they can keep the free money coming.
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Truck Cruiser, you are rubbing salt on the wound.

Also people on disability vote any way they want to, just like anybody else.

I don't any discrimination when to comes to voting or any other matter.

Everyone has the same rights.

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So wait... If I don't work I don't have to pay income taxes? Too bad that is a bunch of malarkey. I wish I could get away with that. Social security and Medicare are not charity - people paid in advance for those.

Besides, income tax is only one form of tax. There are sales taxes, real estate taxes, death taxes, etc.

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So wait... If I don't work I don't have to pay income taxes? Too bad that is a bunch of malarkey. I wish I could get away with that. Social security and Medicare are not charity - people paid in advance for those.

Besides, income tax is only one form of tax. There are sales taxes, real estate taxes, death taxes, etc.

Your whole hypothesis is flawed and garbage.
So if all of your income is from the check you receive each month, do you really pay sales tax, real estate tax, or any other kind of tax when the money wasn't yours to begin with?
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So if all of your income is from the check you receive each month, do you really pay sales tax, real estate tax, or any other kind of tax when the money wasn't yours to begin with?

Are you really that ignorant?
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So if all of your income is from the check you receive each month, do you really pay sales tax, real estate tax, or any other kind of tax when the money wasn't yours to begin with?
I earned the checks that I receive each month. What do you mean the money was not mine to begin with?

I paid into SS for 48 years. = SS check

I worked for a large corporation for 35 years. = Pension check

I served in Vietnam. = Disability check ( health issues due to agent orange )

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I earned the checks that I receive each month. What do you mean the money was not mine to begin with?

I paid into SS for 48 years. = SS check

I worked for a large corporation for 35 years. = Pension check

I served in Vietnam. = Disability check ( health issues due to agent orange )

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Good job! you earned what you have gotten. There are many, many folks though who have been on welfare all their lives or spent very little time in the workforce and are now on disability and have not earned what they receive. I know many people on disability who do work under the table, bail hay and sit in a bar for hours at a time, these people could work.

My post was never meant to be all encompassing, there are many folks who have worked hard and contributed to the system. My problem is with those who vote and have not contributed to the system.
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Good job! you earned what you have gotten. There are many, many folks though who have been on welfare all their lives or spent very little time in the workforce and are now on disability and have not earned what they receive. I know many people on disability who do work under the table, bail hay and sit in a bar for hours at a time, these people could work.

My post was never meant to be all encompassing, there are many folks who have worked hard and contributed to the system. My problem is with those who vote and have not contributed to the system.
Dude give it up. You have lost all credibility.

I personally find you uniformed and and frankly, your ideas remind me of a German government that existed many years ago.
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My problem is with those who vote and have not contributed to the system.
Then your problem is with the US Constitution.

Poll taxes and other forms of discrimination were long ago ruled illegal.
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Dude give it up. You have lost all credibility.

I personally find you uniformed and and frankly, your ideas remind me of a German government that existed many years ago.
thats funny there......You do realize that the Founding Fathers only allowed Land Owners to vote do you not? It was their belief that those who owned land were the only ones who owned "stock" in America.

I guess since no one wants to discuss this topic I will just leave it alone.
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