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Old December 22nd, 2012, 12:35 PM
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If they let the "fiscal cliff" fall occur, it will be far worse on their puppeteers than if they compromise. I'm going to enjoy this!
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HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU SAY SUCH A THING THIS TIME OF THE YEAR. tHAT IS SICK!!!
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 01:47 PM
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I do think that "enjoying it" may be overstating the case. Some of us who have watched this pathetic spectacle carefully are shaking our heads and simply uttering the word "shame" over and over, because there is nothing else to say.

Nor does the time of year have anything to do with it, other than the fact that the holidays are yet another excuse for an irresponsible Congress to shirk its responsibilities by crawling like lemmings to National Airport and their waiting jets standing by to return them to home and hearth. As we speak they are swilling their eggnog and bidding "Good Will Toward Men" to one and all. Disgraceful, cowardly men and women.

But without "enjoying" any of this, the initial question, "Did all of the Republicans fail basic math?" is absolutely fair. The answer is complex, but some of the factors in that answer are. . .

1. The hard-right tea party faction of the Republican caucus doesn't care about the math, and they've said so. They also don't care about governing, they don't care about consequences, and they certainly will not entertain the concept of compromise. Their fellow Republicans, along with everybody else, openly call them "immature." They are single-issue zealots, they have blinders on to all other points of view, and they are anathema to the democratic process. They are the diametric opposites of public servants, and the word "statesman" is not in their vocabulary.

2. The Republican leadership of the House is not creative, and not all that bright. John Boehner might want to deal, but he doesn't have the smarts to create coalitions and think outside the box--skills that are crucial to the job at hand. His main claims to fame have been overt support for the tobacco lobby (which has supported him fervently) and his opposition to gays in the military (he served in the Navy for eight weeks during Vietnam, was medically discharged for a bad back). Boehner is a lightweight in a heavyweight fight, and it shows. His biography is unimpressive (it took him seven years to get through college, he has almost no useful business experience), and he's just the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time. His acolytes are smarter, but more malevolent, and just waiting their chance to depose him in a palace coup.

3. Lobbyists rule the Congress. Personal beliefs, ethics and morality are a distant second. No more needs to be said.

Those are just some of the reasons for the current situation which seems to defy, reason, mathematics, common sense and morals.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 03:38 PM
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Oh come on. What is sick is the delinquents have already recessed until after Christmas.

This is exactly the time of year they should have taken care of business, but once again - epic fail. Not giving a damn about the country.

Ho Ho Ho. Shafting America once again for Christmas.
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I don't think that Obama, in Hawaii enjoying an extended vacation. is the brightest bulb in the building either. His idea of a compromise is to tax more and spend more. I would be perfectly happy to pay a lot more taxes if congress could only cut way back on spending. Our children and grandchildren are the ones who will really suffer.
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What "math" are you talking about?

Here is the math, if you do what Obama wants, to raise taxes for the richest 2% of taxpayers all you raise is $80-billion PER YEAR. That is enough to run the government for a few days.

The Republicans think it is stupid to take the money away from these people only and favor others. Especially because many of them are job creators. This group already pays something like 38% of ALL taxes in this country.

It was all a pointless campaign slogan that worked very well on the uninformed; "Make the wealthy pay their fair share"

That phrase alone "fair share" when proportionately they already pay far more than their "fair share" (fair, be definition, means an equal amount by everyone, or at the least an equal percentage) already reeks of 1984 double-speak.

So, what "math" doesn't the right get?
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I don't think that Obama, in Hawaii enjoying an extended vacation. is the brightest bulb in the building either. His idea of a compromise is to tax more and spend more. I would be perfectly happy to pay a lot more taxes if congress could only cut way back on spending. Our children and grandchildren are the ones who will really suffer.
Why stay in town when the people you're supposed to be negotiating with left before you did? Do you think he should have hung around in case all their flights got cancelled? Besides which, he's not on an "extended vacation." When Congress comes back, he will too.

And is he bright? Yes. Is he courageous? Not nearly courageous enough.

Finally, I think that eventually you'll get both your wishes (more taxes, much less spending), but not before a great deal of damage is done thanks to some of the House Republicans. By the way, big military cutbacks are OK too, right?
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So, what "math" doesn't the right get?
To do nothing is worse than compromise. Tax cuts expire, estate deduction drops to 1 million, dividends will be taxed as ordinary income. minor stuff like that. All over political posturing which is futile by any measure. The wealthy will be worse off, along with most others.

The republicans are truly trying to extinct themselves.
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I don't think that Obama, in Hawaii enjoying an extended vacation. is the brightest bulb in the building either. His idea of a compromise is to tax more and spend more. I would be perfectly happy to pay a lot more taxes if congress could only cut way back on spending. Our children and grandchildren are the ones who will really suffer.
The President will be back before New Year's. will Congress?
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So, what "math" doesn't the right get?
51% to 47% - the percentage that the President won the election by.

65% - the percentage of the population who supports the tax increase to the 2%

100 % - the percentage of people who's income tax will rise if nothing is done.

35 % - the percentage of nationwide wealth owned by 1 % of the population.

89 % - the percentage of nationwide wealth owned by 20% of the population

11% - the percentage of the nationwide wealth owned by 80% of the population.

535 - the number of members of Congress expected to do "something" for the country, but instead came up with the "genius" of sequestration to force themselves to do something "later", and are now abdicating.
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Yea, the Republicans are in lose-lose situation. The party is coming apart at the seams. Boehner needs to lead but is afraid he will loose his gavel, he may anyway.
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To me it looks like both sides are unmoving on their ideas of how this fiscal cliff can be avoided. I actually believe both sides want the Bush era tax cuts to end!

Let's keep it simple....Here is a compromise....Raise taxes on everyone making 500k or more and also do a 10% spending cut across the board. That at least would be a start.
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Yea, the Republicans are in lose-lose situation. The party is coming apart at the seams. Boehner needs to lead but is afraid he will loose his gavel, he may anyway.
I think he may be toast. The republicans like to point fingers at the democrats but the reality is the republicans are incapable of agreement within their own party, much less listening to what the country wants and needs.

There may be strength in numbers, but republicans seem to think armies of one are superior.
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Higher taxes AND more spending. Is that what the country really needs?
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I don't think that Obama, in Hawaii enjoying an extended vacation. is the brightest bulb in the building either.
As I predicted, Paul, the president is back in Washington, as is the Senate. The House is not. If the president is not the brightest bulb, at least the lights are on in the White House.

All this bleating about presidential vacations is such a useless smokescreen. Aside from the fact that he takes far less vacation than many of his predecessors, the communication capacity that travels with him wherever he goes is absolutely mind-blowing. He can always be in touch with anybody on the planet that he cares to be, and there's evidence that he uses those tools pretty liberally.

I think we should focus on what matters.
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