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Old June 7th, 2013, 10:04 AM
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What is it about Florida and Texas? Another murderer set free. . .

Jury acquits escort shooter - San Antonio Express-News
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What a strange case. It sounds like someone is taking advantage of a good law, to do bad.
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Old June 7th, 2013, 10:38 AM
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Ridiculous.

I agree with our law in Minnesota. The simple version is: "You can't shoot someone over property." Someone can be stealing your car and unless you or some else is in imminent danger of death or severe bodily harm, you cannot use deadly force.

I have a permit to carry. I am an avid shooter, and strongly believe that there is no property that is worth someone's, even a thief's, life.

It's idiots, like this guy, that give all gun owners a bad name.

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Mike what if someone broke into your home in order to steal. You are there with Betty, and maybe even the grandkids. Would you be able to use deadly force in your own home, even if the bad guy only wanted to steal from you? I think this is what the law is set up to do. Other wise if you fired a weapon even in the ceiling, you would be charged.
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Mike what if someone broke into your home in order to steal. You are there with Betty, and maybe even the grandkids. Would you be able to use deadly force in your own home, even if the bad guy only wanted to steal from you? I think this is what the law is set up to do. Other wise if you fired a weapon even in the ceiling, you would be charged.
Luanne,

There is a MAJOR difference between someone being in your home and someone trying to steal your car in a parking lot. Granted you are not in the car at the time and they are brandishing a weapon or threatening you with physical injury.

You are confusing two different things. I believe in "Castle Doctrine" but shooting someone over property is basically murder. If someone is in your house and you cannot retreat to a safe area you can shoot them. You also have no idea why they are "inside" your home and their intentions. It is also unreasonable to require someone to "question" the intruder to find out their intention. If someone broke into my house, while I was there, it would be the last time they ever broke into a house.

If you, or someone else, is in imminent threat of death or great physical harm you can shoot the threatening person. That's it. The person in the article was just mad that the hooker didn't give him sex.

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There was a "feel good" story going around in emails, Facebook and other venues about the "Grandma" who was at the store and came out to her car to find three men inside. She pulled out her gun and pointed it at the men and they ran off. Afterward she realized it wasn't her car. The story was meant to be funny and may be just Urban Legend but it shows why certain people should not have permits and why it should be illegal in all states to shoot someone over property.

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No I wouldn't shoot someone for stealing Jim's truck, but I would for stealing my car. It's in the garage.
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Mike what if someone broke into your home in order to steal. You are there with Betty, and maybe even the grandkids. Would you be able to use deadly force in your own home, even if the bad guy only wanted to steal from you? I think this is what the law is set up to do. Other wise if you fired a weapon even in the ceiling, you would be charged.
Mike can answer for himself, but he certainly didn't say anything about firing into the ceiling. He said that you can't shoot "someone" over property. Seems pretty clear and pretty sensible. As far as I know, most states are pretty much the same as Minnesota. Self defense is recognized most everywhere, but if the intruder isn't showing a gun or other potential lethal force, you have no right to counter with lethal force.

Obviously in Florida you can kill anybody you want to, and all you have to do is say that you felt threatened to get off the hook. In Texas it seems that you can kill over property, as long as it's after sundown. And you call that a good law? No, any law that you can hide behind to "do bad" is not a good law.

Another life sacrificed to the gun culture, with no penalty, and we're supposed to just shake our heads and call it an aberration? Please.

The gun lobby says that all we need to do is enforce the laws that are in place. With laws like that, the problems will only fester and multiply.

Mike's right. If you want gun owners to be regarded as reasonable people, somebody's going to have to stop this sort of unpunished carnage.

When I pointed to a case here in Virginia where a guy was sent home with no consequences after brandishing a semi-automatic rifle up and down the aisles of a supermarket--sending the customers running to the parking lot and dialing 911-- everybody here who answered defended him as being a law-abiding citizen. When I asked what should happen to him if he made a habit of doing this, the silence was deafening. You all know perfectly well that this sort of conduct is unacceptable, yet you refuse to admit that anything should be done about it.

Now, even with evidence of people being killed left and right with impunity under various insane state laws, some are still willing to defend those laws and chalk up the deaths and injuries to collateral damage and "taking advantage of a good law to do bad."

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No I wouldn't shoot someone for stealing Jim's truck, but I would for stealing my car. It's in the garage.
That's where you and I differ. Unless they were in my actual home I wouldn't shoot them. I may brandish the weapon to either scare them off or hold them until police arrived but, unless the person made a move for me, I would not shoot. Good old 911 would work just fine.



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I was kidding. That is the reason for the smiley face.
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In other news, it is reported this afternoon (Friday) that a Texas woman has been arrested by Federal agents for sending the ricin-laced letters to the president and Mayor Bloomberg. The letters cited her "God-given right" to have guns.

In an interesting twist, this is the woman who originally called the authorities to say that her husband was responsible. Nice. One report says that her marriage was "troubled." Well, if it wasn't before, it sure is now. Apparently the Feds found the letters residing on her computer.

She faces 10 years in the calaboose for her efforts, and it appears she'll be tried under Federal law, since the letters went interstate, and since threatening the president is a Federal beef. This is a relief, because for all I know Texas may have a law that says it's OK to send poisoned letters to people if you have your fingers crossed behind your back when you do it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/08/ny...s.html?hp&_r=0

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/07/justic...est/index.html
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I have no problem with use of a deadly weapon to protect one's property. In this nation we used to hang horse thieves, and no one would of given second thought to shooting a horse thief either. We are becoming a nation of sniveling little sissy's where good is called evil and evil called good!
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I have no problem with use of a deadly weapon to protect one's property. In this nation we used to hang horse thieves, and no one would of given second thought to shooting a horse thief either. We are becoming a nation of sniveling little sissy's where good is called evil and evil called good!
Why am I not surprised at your opinion?
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probably for the same reason I'm never surprised with your opinion.
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This man shot someone for failing to meet a "supposed" transaction that was illegal in the first place. Is there proof that she offered sexual services as part of being an escort? There are a number of escort services that offer a legitimate service, not acting as prostitutes.

This whole case stinks to high heaven and I am so glad that I won't be seeing Texas for quite some time...if ever.
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Reader, here in Texas there are nuts the same as in every other state. We would welcome you if you came to Texas to visit. I do notice that you come from California which does have its share of weirdos.
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