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Old September 18th, 2013, 08:10 PM
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Default NY Times: Obama Sees Defiance in His Own Party


This article points out how Presidents in their second terms generally start to think more about their legacy, and sometimes that disenfranchises their own party. We all know George W. was very unpopular in his second term - at a low of 42% at this point. But right now Obama is not much better (46%) compared to Bill Clinton at 58% at this point and Ronald Reagan at 62%.

It also notes that at this time "Clinton was disenfranchising his party with the North American Free Trade Agreement, a welfare overhaul and a balanced budget deal with Republicans. President George W. Bush in his fifth and sixth years was in worse shape with Republicans, who shelved his Social Security overhaul, rebelled against the deteriorating Iraq war and helped sink his Supreme Court nomination of Harriet E. Miers."

Those are obviously unpopular positions for both Clinton and Bush. I liked Clinton, especially his welfare reforms. If Obama now tried to do what Clinton did he would labeled a "racist" of the worst possible kind. Back then the notion of racism was all but forgotten, it is only the democrats who have dragged it back out from obscurity and now use it as a hammer against anyone who wants to reduce entitlements like free phones, food stamps and extended (x4) unemployment benefits.

What is the difference now? The democrats in the house can't really point to things Obama wants that they agree or disagree with - the problem with Obama is just that he isn't doing anything. He is ineffectual - always has been a big bag of wind in my opinion. He used to "lead from behind" - a phrase the apologetic media made up about Obama years ago. Now he can't even do that. He is getting nothing done.

Normally I wouldn't mind - but this country has very serious problems:
  • Fewer people in the workplace than ever before.
  • A median wage that has not risen a penny since Obama took office.
  • Higher taxes.
  • No solution in the healthcare field yet and nothing but chaos in Obamacare.
  • No rebound in the housing market.
  • He did not save Detroit (the city is bankrupt)
  • Al Qaeda is not on the run (look at Syria, and Benghazi)

Here is another former supporter who hasn't said a nice thing about Obama in a long time" Maureen Dowd (NY Times):


She says: [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]"The man who connected so electrically and facilely in 2008, causing Americans to overlook his thin résumé, cannot seem to connect anymore. - With a shrinking circle of trust inside the White House, Obama is having trouble establishing trust outside with once reliable factions: grass-roots Democrats and liberals in Congress. As Peter Baker wrote in The Times, the president is finding himself increasingly “frustrated” by the defiance of Democrats who are despairing of his passive, reactive leadership."

Top Democrats who used to consider Obama one cool cat now muse that he’s “one weird cat,” as one big shot put it.

Obama biographer Richard Wolffe notes “I don’t know who they think they’re talking to or what they think they’re trying to say,” said Wolffe, whose new book is “The Message: The Reselling of President Obama.” “The president is a very muddled and entrenched figure who needs to get out of a defensive crouch and get some fresh ideas.”[/COLOR]
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