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Old October 6th, 2013, 03:35 PM
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Todays news makers discussed how they handled the controversy over the nickname for the Washington Red Skins. One woman said she had just dropped the nickname from her vocabulary when describing the team To her they are the Washington team. For a supposedly intelligent newscasters, i would wonder how she is going to be able to report on this controversy without saying Redskins. Maybe she will sign the words so that she doesn't have to say anything. Wow how about maybe Reds or Skins as nicknames, Kemosabi.

It reminds me of the handgrenades the Democrates are throwing. The Polisi special, "they are terrorists." The Obama hot words I will not negotiate with a "gun to the head" or an "explosive bomb." They sure are winning with their mob of know nothings. Stick with it Obama your winning I wonder if it going to be a pyrhric vicotory.

Finally the Israelis seem to have the right idea, first month of no budget 1/12 of last years budget will be the budget. At the end of six months new elections. I like but the incumbent ayotolahs in Congress wouldn't go for it.
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That woman reporter must be horrified that the Atlanta Braves fans make tomahawk chops and do a war dance chant to rally the team.
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That woman reporter must be horrified that the Atlanta Braves fans make tomahawk chops and do a war dance chant to rally the team.

I was thinking the same thing.

Has anyone been on a Indian Reservation lately? I don't know why they still have them, but they do, and except for those who get funding from the Casinos, the rest are hurting. I do believe they have more to worry about besides the name of a team that has been there for years.

I shook my head when I heard that Obama was asked about it. Again, more important things to worry about.
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Living in the DC area, I've been a Redskins fan since I was a kid back in the Sammy Baugh and the old Griffith Stadium days. The team name has always been associated with a fierce fighting force, which the 'Native' Americans were. It is not in the same regard as the 'N' word is to African Americans.

Funny thing is, when we lived in Spokane (5 years) and in Albuquerque (9 years), which have very large reservations, Redskins attire was worn more there than anywhere we've ever been outside of the DC area!

We had a yard sale when we were in Albuquerque and were selling several Redskins stuff our kids had outgrown. When the Native Americans who stopped by saw it, they went crazy! They loved it and couldn't believe their luck. We had a jacket to sell and this one family were jumping up and down when they found it as they don't see things like this there.

The thing is, they were the Redskins attire as a sign of respect and solidarity. We were friends with several of them and the 'true' Native Americans, at least out West, have absolutely no problem with this whatsoever.

The only people who have a problem with it are the few who want to make a big deal about it. Unfortunately, as we all know, sometimes the vocal few will get what they want instead of people listening to the silent majority and giving them what they want.

If we have to change the name of the Redskins, then it's only appropriate we change the name of the Indians, the Braves, the Black Hawks, etc, etc. And while we're at it, then we'll also have to change the names of the Vikings, the Fighting Irish, and any other name associated with a group of people!

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Living in the DC area, I've been a Redskins fan since I was a kid back in the Sammy Baugh and the old Griffith Stadium days. The team name has always been associated with a fierce fighting force, which the 'Native' Americans were. It is not in the same regard as the 'N' word is to African Americans.

Funny thing is, when we lived in Spokane (5 years) and in Albuquerque (9 years), which have very large reservations, Redskins attire was worn more there than anywhere we've ever been outside of the DC area!

We had a yard sale when we were in Albuquerque and were selling several Redskins stuff our kids had outgrown. When the Native Americans who stopped by saw it, they went crazy! They loved it and couldn't believe their luck. We had a jacket to sell and this one family were jumping up and down when they found it as they don't see things like this there.

The thing is, they were the Redskins attire as a sign of respect and solidarity. We were friends with several of them and the 'true' Native Americans, at least out West, have absolutely no problem with this whatsoever.

The only people who have a problem with it are the few who want to make a big deal about it. Unfortunately, as we all know, sometimes the vocal few will get what they want instead of people listening to the silent majority and giving them what they want.

If we have to change the name of the Redskins, then it's only appropriate we change the name of the Indians, the Braves, the Black Hawks, etc, etc. And while we're at it, then we'll also have to change the names of the Vikings, the Fighting Irish, and any other name associated with a group of people!

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Why is Obama talking about a sports team now... Shameful.... Why isn't his focus 100% on the fact that the government needs to be functional, operational and pay its bills.

Redskins, really? I think we have been through this a thousand times - yes I grew up in McLean, VA. Maybe he wants to be a community organizer more than run a government.
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The current 'uprising' is brought by the Oneida Indian Nation, which is a very small reservation and does not represent the Native Americans - they're just interested in promoting their own agenda, which is their gambling casino. The other organization, changethemascot.org, does not have any of the Native American reservations supporting them at all!

So what you have is two small groups raising a big stink about something that the overwhelming majority of their brothers and sisters do not support!

As I said, it's typical that the very small, very vocal minority is the only one the press is interested in talking to. No where have a seen anyone talking to or reporting about what the majority wants.

Typical press!! Only out to be biased and report one side of the story!!

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Why is Obama talking about a sports team now... Shameful.... Why isn't his focus 100% on the fact that the government needs to be functional, operational and pay its bills.
Because he was asked. Some idiot reporter thought it was important.
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How about naming all our politicans, the Washington Squawmen?
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Paul> Look up the true meaning of "squaw". Your post is more apt than you may think.
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Here's a letter that all Redskins fans got today directly from Dan Snyder, owner of the Redskins. I thought he stance was very well stated and goes along with what I said earlier that the overwhelming majority of Native Americans supports the name.

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To Everyone in our Washington Redskins Nation:

As loyal fans, you deserve to know that everyone in the Washington Redskins organization -- our players, coaches and staff -- are truly privileged to represent this team and everything it stands for. We are relentlessly committed to our fans and to the sustained long-term success of this franchise.

That’s why I want to reach out to you -- our fans -- about a topic I wish to address directly: the team name, “Washington Redskins.” While our focus is firmly on the playing field, it is important that you hear straight from me on this issue. As the owner of the Redskins and a lifelong fan of the team, here is what I believe and why I believe it.

Like so many of you, I was born a fan of the Washington Redskins. I still remember my first Redskins game.

Most people do. I was only six, but I remember coming through the tunnel into the stands at RFK with my father, and immediately being struck by the enormity of the stadium and the passion of the fans all around me.

I remember how quiet it got when the Redskins had the ball, and then how deafening it was when we scored. The ground beneath me seemed to move and shake, and I reached up to grab my father’s hand. The smile on his face as he sang that song ... he’s been gone for 10 years now, but that smile, and his pride, are still with me every day.

That tradition -- the song, the cheer -- it mattered so much to me as a child, and I know it matters to every other Redskins fan in the D.C. area and across the nation.

Our past isn’t just where we came from -- it’s who we are.

As some of you may know, our team began 81 years ago -- in 1932 -- with the name “Boston Braves.” The following year, the franchise name was changed to the “Boston Redskins.” On that inaugural Redskins team, four players and our Head Coach were Native Americans. The name was never a label. It was, and continues to be, a badge of honor.

In 1971, our legendary coach, the late George Allen, consulted with the Red Cloud Athletic Fund located on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota and designed our emblem on the Redskins helmets. Several years later, Coach Allen was honored by the Red Cloud Athletic Fund. On the wall at our Ashburn, Virginia, offices is the plaque given to Coach Allen -- a source of pride for all of us. “Washington Redskins is more than a name we have called our football team for over eight decades. It is a symbol of everything we stand for: strength, courage, pride, and respect -- the same values we know guide Native Americans and which are embedded throughout their rich history as the original Americans.

I’ve listened carefully to the commentary and perspectives on all sides, and I respect the feelings of those who are offended by the team name. But I hope such individuals also try to respect what the name means, not only for all of us in the extended Washington Redskins family, but among Native Americans too.

Consider the following facts concerning the “Washington Redskins” name:
1) The highly respected Annenberg Public Policy Center polled nearly 1,000 self-identified Native Americans from across the continental U.S. and found that 90% of Native Americans did not find the team name “Washington Redskins” to be “offensive.”

2) In an April 2013 Associated Press survey, 79% of the respondents stated the Washington Redskins should not change their name, while only 11% believed the team’s name should change.

Paul Woody, a columnist for the Richmond Times Dispatch, interviewed three leaders of Virginia Native American tribes this May. They were all quoted by Mr. Woody as stating that the team name doesn’t offend them -- and their comments strongly supported the name “Washington Redskins.” Also in May, SiriusXM NFL Radio hosted Robert Green, the longtime and recently retired Chief of the Fredericksburg-area Patawomeck Tribe, who said, among other things:

"Frankly, the members of my tribe -- the vast majority -- don’t find it offensive. I’ve been a Redskins fan for years. And to be honest with you, I would be offended if they did change [the name, Redskins ... This is] an attempt by somebody ... to completely remove the Indian identity from anything and pretty soon ... you have a wipeout in society of any reference to Indian people ... You can’t rewrite history -- yes there were some awful bad things done to our people over time, but naming the Washington football team the Redskins, we don’t consider to be one of those bad things.”

Our franchise has a great history, tradition and legacy representing our proud alumni and literally tens of millions of loyal fans worldwide. We have participated in some of the greatest games in NFL history, and have won five World Championships. We are proud of our team and the passion of our loyal fans. Our fans sing “Hail to the Redskins” in celebration at every Redskins game. They speak proudly of “Redskins Nation” in honor of a sports team they love.

So when I consider the Washington Redskins name, I think of what it stands for. I think of the Washington Redskins traditions and pride I want to share with my three children, just as my father shared with me -- and just as you have shared with your family and friends.

I respect the opinions of those who disagree. I want them to know that I do hear them, and I will continue to listen and learn. But we cannot ignore our 81 year history, or the strong feelings of most of our fans as well as Native Americans throughout the country. After 81 years, the team name “Redskins” continues to hold the memories and meaning of where we came from, who we are, and who we want to be in the years to come.

We are Redskins Nation and we owe it to our fans and coaches and players, past and present, to preserve that heritage.

With Respect and Appreciation,

Dan Snyder

PS. Wherever I go, I see Redskins bumper stickers, Redskins decals, Redskins t-shirts, Redskins everything. I know how much this team means to you, and it means everything to me as well. Always has. I salute your passion and your pride for the Burgundy & Gold.
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