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zydecocruiser May 8th, 2014 02:06 PM

The GOP's Latest Anti-Obamacare Talking Point Just Went Down In Flames
 
AP
Last week, the Republican-led House Committee on Energy and Commerce released information claiming only 67% of enrollees in insurance exchanges established by the Affordable Care Act made their first premium payment. The data was paraded around as a talking point ahead of the Obama administration's final release of stats from the law's first open enrollment period.


On Wednesday, that talking point blew up.


Three of the country's largest insurers Aetna, WellPoint, and Health Care Service Corp., which operates Blue Cross Blue Shield plans in several states said between 80-90% of new customers who enrolled through Obamacare paid their first month's premiums. Executives from the companies announced the news in testimony before the very same House Committee on Energy and Commerce where Republicans touted the contrary data last week.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gops-l...213658327.html

bonnyprincecharlie May 8th, 2014 06:41 PM

Information for several states does not cover USA statistics
 
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Originally Posted by zydecocruiser (Post 1500092)
AP
Last week, the Republican-led House Committee on Energy and Commerce released information claiming only 67% of enrollees in insurance exchanges established by the Affordable Care Act made their first premium payment. The data was paraded around as a talking point ahead of the Obama administration's final release of stats from the law's first open enrollment period.


On Wednesday, that talking point blew up.


Three of the country's largest insurers Aetna, WellPoint, and Health Care Service Corp., which operates Blue Cross Blue Shield plans in several states said between 80-90% of new customers who enrolled through Obamacare paid their first month's premiums. Executives from the companies announced the news in testimony before the very same House Committee on Energy and Commerce where Republicans touted the contrary data last week.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gops-l...213658327.html

The information quoted said that "the three insurance companies operate in several states." In other words the data provided covers only those states
where the companies operate. This data is not necessarily applicable to all of the United States. If this is true then it is possible that the data provided by the Republicans is accurate. I would like to see the Administration provide the information about who has paid the premium or not. It seems that the administration should want to provide this information especially since this
president seems to have a credibility problem and confidence in this man and his administration have declined significantly.

zydecocruiser May 9th, 2014 02:43 AM

what's wrong with the Republicans showing theirs? Put up or shut up I say to them.

this is America - innocence is assumed.

More than this is a coincidence as elections are coming up. Just another political ploy.

The reality is the Republican party has no agenda other than to try to discredit Democrats.

The republican party is still in shambles and disarray and learned nothing from the last election. They are doomed to repeat their failures.

zydecocruiser May 9th, 2014 02:46 AM

Not applicable to all states? In what state(s) is there not Blue Cross/ Blues Shield? Hint: NONE.

bonnyprincecharlie May 9th, 2014 06:12 AM

"Several states" do not make the United States.
 
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Originally Posted by zydecocruiser (Post 1500123)
Not applicable to all states? In what state(s) is there not Blue Cross/ Blues Shield? Hint: NONE.

Read the quote supplied by you.

Three of the country's largest insurers Aetna, WellPoint, and Health Care Service Corp., which operates Blue Cross Blue Shield plans in several states said between 80-90% of new customers who enrolled through

It says "several states." The credibility of the statement is suspect. Generalizations cannot be applied to the United States as a whole from a suspect statment. I'll wait for the administration to come out with their numbers.

zydecocruiser May 9th, 2014 12:28 PM

And the republican numbers were pulled out from where?

Speaking for myself, I started to sign up in one state, never completed, and switched to a different state. I pay premiums in one state but the other was still sending premium notices for some time. I don't really see the need to waste money auditing something that is obviously good for the country.

What I do know is that I now have insurance and if not for President Obama, I wouldn't.

bonnyprincecharlie May 9th, 2014 01:34 PM

Glad you have insurance wait until you see next year's bill
 
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Originally Posted by zydecocruiser (Post 1500148)
And the republican numbers were pulled out from where?

Speaking for myself, I started to sign up in one state, never completed, and switched to a different state. I pay premiums in one state but the other was still sending premium notices for some time. I don't really see the need to waste money auditing something that is obviously good for the country.

What I do know is that I now have insurance and if not for President Obama, I wouldn't.

Right now the insurance companies are trying to wrap there arms around what the total numbers are so that they can establish the rates for next year. The early predictions are that the premiums will jump considerably. This is the reason that the administration wanted young healthy people in the program to pay the premiums and not make a demand on the health system.
Early indications are that the administration plan didn't work and they got a lot of older people who will put a significant demand on the health system.

The administration doesn't seem to be to interested in finding out who has paid premiums and what percentage of the persons joining insurance plans are young. I personally wonder if they are stonewalling.

ltnprncess May 9th, 2014 02:56 PM

It's great that it works for you. Many people had their policies cancelled (which the President stated wouldn't happen). They saw their insurance premiums double or triple. Also anyone making over $250,000 has to pay additional tax to cover the costs of the new Health act. To force an entire nation to get coverage sets a terrible precedent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zydecocruiser (Post 1500148)
And the republican numbers were pulled out from where?

Speaking for myself, I started to sign up in one state, never completed, and switched to a different state. I pay premiums in one state but the other was still sending premium notices for some time. I don't really see the need to waste money auditing something that is obviously good for the country.

What I do know is that I now have insurance and if not for President Obama, I wouldn't.


ltnprncess May 9th, 2014 03:13 PM

To answer your question: Aetna serves all 50; Wellpoint is only in 14 states and HCSC is in 5 states. Hint: I wouldn't take what AP or any media states as facts. Do your own research and come up with your own conclusion.

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Originally Posted by zydecocruiser (Post 1500123)
Not applicable to all states? In what state(s) is there not Blue Cross/ Blues Shield? Hint: NONE.


zydecocruiser May 10th, 2014 01:04 AM

I wouldn't believe any politician but especially those with certain affiliations.

People who lost coverage lost substandard coverage. Besides, they were allowed to keep existing coverage for an extra year or two. First insurance needs to be available to all. That's how it is in civilized parts of the world.

Health care is yet another area where the US is the laughing stock of the rest of the world. They don't understand how some care so little for our citizens.

If the healthcare reform perfect? No, but if you take the republican stance, it wouldn't exist at all. It would be buried in committee after committee for years. If they had not deliberately tried to sabotage what the people wanted and what they voted for, it would have been better. Instead of trying to improve it, they think they can repeal it. They never will. It is here to stay.

On another note, as we all know, unemployment is steadily dropping and many companies offer benefits including group insurance. It is another reason why some would not make, or need to make, premium payments.

Group insurance is what we need for the entire country.

bonnyprincecharlie May 10th, 2014 07:33 AM

Three companies don't make the insurance industry
 
I forgot one important point that three companies don't make an industry so you can't make conclusions based on such limited information.

As to healthcare for the entire nation. Let's go back to the basics as the Republicans want to do and construct a system that is based on sound economics.

zydecocruiser May 10th, 2014 02:20 PM

The republicans want nothing to do with progress in this country. Their entire platform revolves around the rich getting richer and keeping the poor in the gutter. They had plenty of opportunities in the past to tackle healthcare and they accomplished nothing - something they excel at.

They had the opportunity to participate in the crafting of Obama's vision, but tried to sabotage it at every opportunity.

Fool me once, republicans...

bonnyprincecharlie May 12th, 2014 04:54 PM

VA insurance companies increasing 2015 rates
 
WSJ reported that Virginia insurance companies are increasing their rates for next year. Shades of the future maybe.

zydecocruiser May 12th, 2014 06:52 PM

My insurance rates went DOWN this year.

zydecocruiser May 12th, 2014 06:54 PM

Why would anyone vote for this guy?
 
"I'm running for reelection, I expect to be speaker," Boehner said, although he would not commit to serving out a full term.

John Boehner Says He's Running For Reelection, Expects To Be Speaker

What's with Republicans and quitting? First Sarah Palin and now Orangeman?

bonnyprincecharlie May 12th, 2014 09:35 PM

You're rates may have gone down in 2014, but VA rates are going up in 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zydecocruiser (Post 1500296)
My insurance rates went DOWN this year.

In other words, to make my point perfectly clear. Virginia insurance companies are raising rates in 2015. If you live in Virginia, your rates are going to go up even though they went down in 2014. If you live in other parts of the USA you may or may not have rate increases but it is likely that you will unless you are on state aid or some other kind of government program.

zydecocruiser May 13th, 2014 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonnyprincecharlie (Post 1500300)
In other words, to make my point perfectly clear. Virginia insurance companies are raising rates in 2015. If you live in Virginia, your rates are going to go up even though they went down in 2014. If you live in other parts of the USA you may or may not have rate increases but it is likely that you will unless you are on state aid or some other kind of government program.

If on a subsidy are they really? If on a subsidy, rates are capped as a percentage of income.

zydecocruiser May 13th, 2014 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zydecocruiser (Post 1500297)
"I'm running for reelection, I expect to be speaker," Boehner said, although he would not commit to serving out a full term.

John Boehner Says He's Running For Reelection, Expects To Be Speaker

What's with Republicans and quitting? First Sarah Palin and now Orangeman?

Was spoosed to be a new thread and now can't edit. Oh well...


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