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Old August 5th, 2002, 11:59 AM
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Default Any new news on the Coral Princess?

I was wondering if anyone has heard anything lately about the Coral Princess, like is she finished yet and if there are any new pictures of the finished product? Thank You Robin
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Old August 5th, 2002, 06:20 PM
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Default Re: Any new news on the Coral Princess?

Robin,

I was wondering if anyone has heard anything lately about the Coral Princess, like is she finished yet and if there are any new pictures of the finished product?

MV Coral Princess is not due to enter service until 14 December, so I would not expect any major news before Thanksgiving. Allowing time for sea trials, shakedown, crew training during a repositioning cruise from St. Nazairre to Fort Lauderdale (without passengers), and perhaps a couple FAM events for travel agents before her inaugural voyage, I would expect that her scheduled completion is around the end of October or early November.

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Old August 8th, 2002, 12:54 PM
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Thanks Norm.
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Old August 8th, 2002, 06:33 PM
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Norm:
They say that this is a different class of ship. Do you have any idea how it differs from the Sun and Grand versions? Hopefully they don't include the poor design items from the Grand.
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Old August 11th, 2002, 09:47 PM
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Frank,

They say that this is a different class of ship. Do you have any idea how it differs from the Sun and Grand versions? Hopefully they don't include the poor design items from the Grand.

I was more than a little disturbed when I heard several members of Princess's cruise staffs referring to MV Coral Princess and the new MV Island Princess as "baby Grands" shortly after Princess announced the order for these vessels. Thus, I was much relieved when I saw the (preliminary) deck plans for MV Coral Princess in the 2002-2003 Panama Canal brochure. The overall design looks more like a derivative of MV Sun Princess than a derivative of MV Grand Princess. Starting from the top and working downard, here are the more significant changes from the design of MV Sun Princess.

>> 1. The pools and the fitness center move up to the Lido deck, and the pool area is reconfigured like that of MV Grand Princess (with a retractable dome over the after main pool).

>> 2. The decks between the Lido Deck and the Promenade Deck are renamed as follows: Riviera -> Aloha, Aloha -> Baja, Baja -> Caribe, Caribe -> Dolphin, Dolphin -> Emerald. These decks are entirely passenger cabins except for the chidren's center, youth center, and teen center (now configured as three areas rather than two) at the aft end of the Aloha Deck and a few spaces (library, card and game room, and writing room IIRC) at the top of the atrium on the Emerald Deck. The positions of various types of cabins are shuffled around quite a bit. Also, there are a lot fewer inside cabins and a lot more outside cabins with balconies and minisuites. Also, some of the balcones are terraced as aboard MV Grand Princess.

>> 3. The space between the aft show lounge and the atrium on the Promenade Deck now hosts two "sucker" restaurants -- Sabatini's Trattoria and The Bayou Cafe (which has a New Orleans theme and apparently will feature Cajun cuisine). Forward of the atrium, the Wheelhouse Bar moves to the port side with the main passageway on the starboard side (basically the reverse of MV Sun Princess). The aft show lounge becomes a two-deck affair with a balcony on the Promenade Deck. The outdoor promenades are connected into a "full circle" on one level for walking and jogging, as aboard MV Sun Princess.

>> 4. Below the Promenade Deck, the atrium is rotated 180 degrees, with the main dining rooms now forward of the atrium rather than aft of the atrium and the purser's desk on the port side rather than on the starboard side. The shore excursion desk and the future booking desk flank the entrance to the lower dining room.

>> 5. The deck below the Promenade Deck becomes the Fiesta Deck rather than the Emerald Deck, and now accommodates entertainment spaces (like the Riviera Deck of MV Royal Princess). Proceeding aft from the atrium, there's the casino, Explorer's Lounge, and the main level of the aft show lounge. I'm somewhat confused about the Explorer's Lounge, with some accounts indicating that it's similar to the Explorer's Lounge aboart MV Grand Princess and other accounts indicating that it's a disco and night club.

>> 6. The Plaza Deck, at the bottom of the atrium, hosts only passenger cabins aft of the atrium. These passenger cabins extend all the way to the aft lifts and ladders.

Overall, it appears that Princess avoided duplicating the clear flaws of MV Grand Princess -- though there may well be two new mistakes.

>> Potential Problem #1: The chidren's center, youth center, and teen center are in the midst of a bunch of passenger cabins at the aft end of the Aloha Deck. I'm not so sure that I would want a cabin in that location.

>> Potnetial Problem #2: If indeed the Explorer's Lounge does double as a disco, there's no buffer between the disco and the after section of passenger cabins on the Plaza Deck. Those cabins could have a noise problem. The architect of MV Sun Princess sandwiched the disco between the main dining rooms below and the casino above, where noise would not be a problem during the disco hours, to provide such a buffer.

Of course, we'll have to wait to see the actual ship to know whether these potential problems become issues and, if so, how severe they are. Overall, though, the layout looks vastly superior to that of MV Grand Princess.

Norm.
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Norm wrote:

Norm:
Thanks for the extensive answer.

> >> Potential Problem #1: The chidren's center, youth
> center, and teen center are in the midst of a bunch of
> passenger cabins at the aft end of the Aloha Deck. I'm not so
> sure that I would want a cabin in that location.

However, parents, especially those with little ones, might like these cabins?
>
> Of course, we'll have to wait to see the actual ship to know
> whether these potential problems become issues and, if so, how
> severe they are. Overall, though, the layout looks vastly
> superior to that of MV Grand Princess.
>
Norm:
I'm glad that they seem to have improved on most of their prior mistakes. I'll find out for sure next April.
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Old August 12th, 2002, 09:24 PM
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Frank,

However, parents, especially those with little ones, might like these cabins?

Hmmm..... Take alook at the aft end of the Aloha Deck (http://www.princess.com/onboard/flee...eck_aloh4.html) and tell me what you think. I suspect that the cabins are close enough to get the noise but not close enough to the toddler's area (shown in pink) for them to be going there on their own. Also, I think that the parents have to check the toddlers in and out so that there's accountability for them.

I'm glad that they seem to have improved on most of their prior mistakes.

I actually learned about some of the problems from conversations with staff who had been aboard MV Grand Princess so the company clearly had feedback from at least a couple directions. If they had repeated the mistakes, I would be selling rather than accumulating the stock of parent P&O Princess Cruises Plc. (LSE: POC).

Actually, I'm waiting to see the deck plans of MV Diamond Princess in the 2003 Alaska brochure....

Norm.
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Old August 13th, 2002, 01:18 PM
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Norm wrote:

> Hmmm..... Take alook at the aft end of the Aloha Deck
> (http://www.princess.com/onboard/flee...eck_aloh4.html)
> and tell me what you think. I suspect that the cabins are
> close enough to get the noise but not close enough to the
> toddler's area (shown in pink) for them to be going there on
> their own. Also, I think that the parents have to check the
> toddlers in and out so that there's accountability for them.

Norm:
I meant for the convenience of being a short walk to drop of the toddlers and/or to check on them. Toddlers couldn't go by themselves. However, the older under twelves are able to check themselves in and out and some of those parents might like that too.
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