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I object to alcoholics. Let's ban drinking on the ships. Nothing more inconsiderate then people drinking too much and causing problems. A drunk and a cigarette - a spontaneous combustion! And while we're at it, let's ban the elderly. They're too slow and always get lost. Get real people. Are you going to ban smoking in Europe? Don't forget to ban children too. Parents turn them loose and have no control over them. What was the REAL cause of the fire? Has there been an OFFICIAL answer? Jump on the smokers, I guess that's easy. Maybe we should run a background check on all the passengers to keep the rapists and murderers of? You're on a roll with this safety thing - let's not stop with the smokers.
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I think the poster that suggested making one side of the ship smoking had the best idea. Given the 20% smoker figures, it might even be enough to make the rear half of one side smoking, thus avoiding blowing smoke.
This is nothing new. NCL did this when we first started crusing back in the '80s. Port side was smoking and the Starboard side was non-smoking.

I don't know if they still do this anymore. I have not been on a NCL ship in many moons.
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My problem is that to me smoke stinks. I would be very happy if the government banned smoking on cruise ships altogether. The Carnival Paradise experiment failed due to the lack of group bookings not families not booking. To all you smokers out their if you smoke near me you are bothering me, and that makes you rude in my opinion
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My problem is that to me smoke stinks. I would be very happy if the government banned smoking on cruise ships altogether. The Carnival Paradise experiment failed due to the lack of group bookings not families not booking. To all you smokers out their if you smoke near me you are bothering me, and that makes you rude in my opinion
Ah, but if you are in approved smoking area and someone's smoke "bothers" you, then you are the problem! And the smoker is not being rude, but you would be if you were in that area and complained to/about the smoker.
If the smoker is smoking in areas other than this, then he/she is the problem. And then you would be correct to complain, to the smoker, or to ships crew if the smoker did not comply with your request to not smoke in that area.
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My problem is that to me smoke stinks. I would be very happy if the government banned smoking on cruise ships altogether. The Carnival Paradise experiment failed due to the lack of group bookings not families not booking. To all you smokers out their if you smoke near me you are bothering me, and that makes you rude in my opinion
Ah, but if you are in approved smoking area and someone's smoke "bothers" you, then you are the problem! And the smoker is not being rude, but you would be if you were in that area and complained to/about the smoker.
If the smoker is smoking in areas other than this, then he/she is the problem. And then you would be correct to complain, to the smoker, or to ships crew if the smoker did not comply with your request to not smoke in that area.
I agree with you. However you can smell smoke in any area that is near a smoking area including my room & balcony if you are smoking next door.
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My problem is that to me smoke stinks. I would be very happy if the government banned smoking on cruise ships altogether. The Carnival Paradise experiment failed due to the lack of group bookings not families not booking. To all you smokers out their if you smoke near me you are bothering me, and that makes you rude in my opinion
Ah, but if you are in approved smoking area and someone's smoke "bothers" you, then you are the problem! And the smoker is not being rude, but you would be if you were in that area and complained to/about the smoker.
If the smoker is smoking in areas other than this, then he/she is the problem. And then you would be correct to complain, to the smoker, or to ships crew if the smoker did not comply with your request to not smoke in that area.
I agree with you. However you can smell smoke in any area that is near a smoking area including my room & balcony if you are smoking next door.

Well then, you'd be in luck if I were in the cabin next to yours because I do not smoke in my cabin, or on my balcony if anyone is on their balcony downwind from mine or has their balcony door open. I only do so in approved smoking areas, and very rarely in indoor smoking areas such as a bar or the casino. If a nearby nonsmoker is bothered by the smoke while I am indulging in either of the above indoor areas, I put out my cigarette and apologize to that person. Even as a smoker, I find other's smoke bothersome at times, so I can empathize with nonsmokers. I know some folks are offended by smoking, and I try very hard not to offend.
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I just would like to add my 2 cents, I don't smoke, but how could you say that people who smoke are inconsiderate, when it’s the people that don't smoke are the ones that are so inconsiderate, all they think about is themselves. If they should banned anything it should be all the people who are drinking and acting like fools.

I disagree with you Juan, I hope they don't make if smoke free on cruise ships, if you pay for a balcony then you enjoy it without complaining, you know that the ship allowed smokers, maybe you should get a ocean view room, or better yet stay HOME!!!!!


Juan, you sound like you are better then others, If I smoked it would be in your face, count on that.
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I just would like to add my 2 cents, I don't smoke, but how could you say that people who smoke are inconsiderate, when it’s the people that don't smoke are the ones that are so inconsiderate, all they think about is themselves. If they should banned anything it should be all the people who are drinking and acting like fools.

I disagree with you Juan, I hope they don't make if smoke free on cruise ships, if you pay for a balcony then you enjoy it without complaining, you know that the ship allowed smokers, maybe you should get a ocean view room, or better yet stay HOME!!!!!


Juan, you sound like you are better then others, If I smoked it would be in your face, count on that.
msw542 maybe you should read your post - It is a good example of being rude
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I would be very happy if the government banned smoking on cruise ships altogether.
Most cruise ships are not US flagged. How would the "government" ban smoking on a ship that isn't US flagged? Smoking is still legal in the US, and many people outside of the US still smoke. Cruise lines could not operate without smoking areas (see Paradise). Until smoking is made illegal (not in our lifetime!), there will be people who smoke or who cruise with a person who smokes.

Most people who smoke are considerate of others (like flamomo). If you don't want to smell smoke, stay away from the smoking areas on ships or anywhere else. There aren't that many smoking areas left on ships (one side of the outer deck, part of the casino and a couple of bars).

IMO, I find it hard to believe that people can smell smoke from other people's balconies. I've never noticed this. There has always been such a "breeze" on our balcony that I don't think I could smell anything from someone else's balcony! Now hearing things from another's balcony is a different story !
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JIMT, I am not a RUDE person, I'm the nicest person you ever will meet.
But you people who don't like smoking, need to stop complaining!! This is such an old subject, I find myself start defending the smokers.

so unless you don't know me, please don't say I am rude.. but I can be very rude.


I agree with FERN, I cannot believe that you can smell the smoking with the breeze of the ship and the smell of the ocean breeze.




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I'm not willing to get into a battle about smoking but I have now cruised 3 cruise lines ( a novice by some standards I know) and have now taken note that when I cruise Princess (2 times now) - there are too many designated smoking areas. A smoking bar on the main concourse...where the shops are, in my opinion is NOT a place to allow smoking. I do not frequent the casino because of the smoking, but I feel I should be able to go to the main level of the ship and not have to smell the smoke.

In addition, on a ship with 5 pools, I do not think smoking should be allowed in all 5 swimming areas. On Celebrity, there were designated smoking areas and I didn't even know that there were smokers on the ship.

As someone who has lost a dear, non smoking husband to lung cancer, I can attest that those of you who haven't seen someone suffer with this disease have no idea of how painful a death it is. I can only imagine how difficult for for smokers. I do, however, feel it is my responsibility to protect my lungs from smoke....my children have already lost 1 parent, they don't need to loose another.

Just my humble opinion.....I'm not out to change the world on smoking - the dangers and the statistics speak for themselves. I am, however, out to enjoy my vacation as well and breathing smoke in public areas on a cruise ship is NOT enjoyable to me.
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I think you all have way too much time on your hands. I am not a smoker and I think you are all being completely rude.
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I think what all of you don't realize is that NO ONE here is "right". The Carnival Paradise is the perfect example of what will happen if they ban smoking on cruise ships....no one will cruise. I do not smoke. Many of my loved ones do. As much as I love and care about them I realize that NOTHING I say or do will get them to stop unless they actually want to stop. I bet if you were all honest with yourselves for just minute, you'd realize that you have a lot of habits and addictions that are unhealthy and potentially annoying to others as well. Stop be so judgemental, stay out of the smoking section, live and let live, and enjoy your cruise.
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If you ban smokers, then who would be left to work on the ship, as most of the employee's smoke!
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A snifter of fine cognac and a good cigar on our balcony in the moonlight. It dos'nt get any better then that.
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What is everyone arguing about ?

If smokers are bothering you that much ,go on a non smoking cruise.

It's all about choices. Tobbacco is a legal product.
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I won't get into a debate/arguement with anyone. I will make comments.

Yes you can smell the smoke from another's balcony.

I won't go into a casino, piano bar, or any other smoking area to NOT enjoy entertainment.

Those who consider themselves considerate smokers can't appreciate the offensiveness of the product. Ask any non/smoker and they will tell you how offensive it is. Especially those who have stopped and realize the difference.

Most smokers don't realize (some don't care) just how offensive it is to those of us who don't/no longer smoke.

Some say Tobacco is a legal product. So are guns and I don't like them either.

I lost my father to heart disease and my mother to a combination of cancer and emphysema. Both the result of smoking.

Two weeks ago I lost my best friend of over 50 years ... lung cancer ... because he wouldn't/couldn't stop smoking.

If you must smoke do it where others won't be affected.

I hope my feelings are clear without offending anyone.
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Secondhand Smoke a Threat to All, Surgeon General Warns

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It increases risk of heart disease, lung cancer and SIDS, report finds
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TUESDAY, June 27 (HealthDay News) -- No amount of secondhand smoke is safe.

And the only way to protect nonsmokers is through smoke-free environments. Separating smokers and nonsmokers within the same air space or relying on sophisticated ventilation systems just doesn't work.

That's the conclusion of a new U.S. Surgeon General's report issued Tuesday, which determined that nonsmokers who were exposed to secondhand smoke at home or work had a 25 percent to 30 percent increased risk of developing heart disease and a 20 percent to 30 percent increased risk for lung cancer.

"Science has proven that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke. Let me say that again: There is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke," Dr. Richard H. Carmona, U.S. Surgeon General, said in prepared remarks. "Only smoke-free environments effectively protect nonsmokers from secondhand smoke exposure in indoor spaces," he said.

Paul G. Billings, the American Lung Association's vice president of national policy and advocacy, added: "Essentially, the Surgeon General slammed the book on any scientific debate on secondhand smoke. The evidence is clear. Secondhand smoke is harmful and needs to be eliminated."

The sweeping report, The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke, was based on the latest research on the topic. The last comprehensive review of secondhand smoke by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services came out in 1986; that report concluded that secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in nonsmokers.

Some 126 million Americans are still exposed to secondhand smoke. The risks are well documented and include heart disease and lung cancer in nonsmoking adults as well as sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), respiratory problems, ear infections and asthma attacks in infants and children. Slightly more than 20 percent of children are exposed to secondhand smoke at home.

"Breathing secondhand smoke for even a short time can damage cells and set the cancer process in motion," Carmona said. "Brief exposure can have immediate harmful effects on blood and blood vessels, potentially increasing the risk of a heart attack. Secondhand smoke exposure can quickly irritate the lungs, or trigger an asthma attack. For some people, these rapid effects can be life-threatening. People who already have heart disease or respiratory conditions are at especially high risk," he added.

According to the report, nearly half of all nonsmoking Americans are regularly exposed to secondhand smoke. In 2005, an estimated 3,000 adult nonsmokers died from lung cancer as a result of exposure to secondhand smoke, 46,000 from coronary heart disease and 430 newborns from SIDS.

Secondhand smoke contains more than 50 carcinogens and is a known human carcinogen, the report said.

The report also found that living with a smoker increases a nonsmoker's risk of lung cancer and heart disease by up to 30 percent. The evidence linking secondhand smoke and breast cancer, at this point, is only suggestive.

And while progress to control secondhand smoke has been made, it's not nearly enough, health officials said.

"The good news is that, unlike some public health hazards, secondhand smoke exposure is preventable," Carmona said. "A proven method exists for protecting nonsmokers from the health risks associated with secondhand smoke exposure: Avoiding places where secondhand smoke is present," he said.

According to the report, comprehensive smoking bans such as those in New York City and Boston have not hurt the hospitality industry. Also, restricting smoking in the workplace not only reduces secondhand smoke but also reduces active smoking.

Such statements are likely to fuel legislative efforts to ban smoking indoors.

"The report is going to provide an additional tool and some very robust conclusions to support smoke-free laws and ordinances across the country," Billings said. "If anything, the momentum and the pace of passing smoke-free air laws will increase as a result of the report," he said.

"Those are very powerful conclusions, because those are some of the arguments the foes of eliminating secondhand smoke try to use," Billings continued. "I think this report will rebut those kinds of claims once and for all," he added.

In the meantime, the Surgeon General has these tips on protecting yourself and your loved ones from the effects of secondhand smoke:

Make your home and car smoke-free.
Ask people not to smoke around you or your children.
Make sure that your children's day-care center or school is smoke-free.
Patronize restaurants and other businesses that are smoke-free.
Teach children to stay away from secondhand smoke.
Avoid secondhand smoke exposure especially if you or your children have respiratory conditions, if you have heart disease, or if you are pregnant.
More information

For more on protecting yourself, your family and your friends from secondhand smoke, visit Smoke Free Homes.

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SOURCES: Paul G. Billings, vice president of national policy and advocacy, American Lung Association, New York City; prepared statement from Richard H. Carmona, M.D., U.S. Surgeon General; June 27, 2006, The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke
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Sorry we are now targeting fat people....

Even women wearing size-6 jeans pay the price. Here's why: The health-care costs of obese American adults amount to an estimated $90 billion annually, driving up expenses for anyone with a health-insurance policy - or for anyone who pays taxes.

"It's like secondhand smoking," said Morgan Downey, executive director of the American Obesity Association. "You don't have to be obese to be affected."

For the 127 million Americans who are overweight or obese, the problem is more than cosmetic.

The afflicted suffer from pain because of the stress of their weight on their joints. They live with the fear of heart attacks, strokes and a higher risk of cancer. Their weight problems are driving a rapid increase in diet-related diabetes cases nationwide, especially among children.

Some obese people must be connected to oxygen machines at night in order to sleep. They suffer from sleep apnea, a condition in which people lose the ability to breathe, waking themselves up hundreds of times a night in order to start breathing again.

Many take insulin, blood-pressure medication and cholesterol-fighting pills, which treat the related disorders but not the underlying problem. That's because unlike many diseases, medical science has yet to find a cure for obesity, which is expected to contribute to as many as 300,000 deaths in the United States this year, according to government officials.

Downey calls obesity "this country's greatest neglected public-health crisis." Yet, the amount spent on research into the problem is appallingly low, he said, partly because of public perceptions.

Being overweight has long been considered the result of gluttony and a lack of willpower. Who wants to his spend tax money to solve what is commonly viewed as someone else's personal failure?
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Those who consider themselves considerate smokers can't appreciate the offensiveness of the product. Ask any non/smoker and they will tell you how offensive it is. Especially those who have stopped and realize the difference.because he wouldn't/couldn't stop smoking.
Bull crap.

I smoked 2 packs a day for like 8 years then quit cold turkey.

Smoke doesn’t bother me unless some clown is holding the cigarette under my nose.

All you non-smokers should apply for jobs with the TSA sniffing for bombs with your super human olfactory senses.

And as for a scientific report on 2nd hand smoke, I have to look with skepticism upon any body of so called scientific writing that uses the phase “proves? in it. As someone who has seen people get torn apart giving scientific talks after letting the word “prove? slip out, I pretty much have to file that down with junk from the National Inquirer.

As a scientist one of the primal things you learn is that about the only thing that can be “proven? is mathematics. All other things have hypothesis, which can be disproved at virtually any time.
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I think this thread is about done. It started about smelling smoke on the balcony. As someone said earlier, we can argue all day long about whether smoking is bad for you or not. But I have been on the balcony and have been forced in because people forward of my balcony are smoking cigarettes, cigars or pipes. It doesn't take long to smoke a cigarette, but if you multiply one cigarette by the potential balconies, it becomes more. I remember going out several times on the balcony and smelling it. Not too enjoyable.

Also, I still don't get why smokers still bring up obesity whenever someone mentions smoking. Let's leave obesity for another thread.
I think the original poster was merely asking the smokers to be considerate of the non-smokers on the balconies to the rear of them.
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But always remember these pictures when you want to smoke on your balcony... http://www.barcagii.com/photos.php?catid=8
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Do you have a final copy of the investigation report that determines that a cig caused the fire?

If so, please post a link to it.

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Bargagii, those pictures have been around for quite awhile and the final report is not in on the Star fire. Rushing to judgment is just what people do, I guess. On another site I read about a scary situation where they "blow the stacks" and large cinders fall on the decks and balconies. They said buildup is much like creosote in chimneys. Guess this could be added as another theory; certainly got me thinking. Anyway, none of this nonsense affects me and remember: no one gets out of here alive and obese or smoking just keeps the population down.

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I can't believe that a person smoking on a balcony would bother someone in on an asjacent balcony. Way too much air out at sea. I have been on MANY balcony cruises and have never had a problem with smoke. I am a non-smoker. The fire on Star was unfortunate but an isolated incident. I am against a ban.
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I have mixed feelings about this subject.

I am not a smoker. However, I do think that smokers need a place to smoke.

When I cruise I reserve a balcony. Yes, sometimes I do smell smoke while out there. The wind usually blows the smoke away.

At least the smokers have somewhere to go so that they do not have to smoke inside the common areas of the ship. The CP has a lounge for smokers. I don't care to go there, but it provides smokers with a place they can smoke. And I am happy because I do not have to breath the smoke.
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PLEASE PLEASE...let there be an end to smoking in cabins!! Well...that's my mantra..
At one time I thought that it might be an uphill battle too...but not anymore.

Despite the battle cry of confirm smokers about THEIR rights...there is a growing movement against smokers and their dangerous habit contaminating anything and everyone it touches. It is costing the cruise lines extra time and money to clean the cabins, repair burned holes in the carpets, replace stinky furniture, etc. No only that...but I know that MORE AND MORE non-smoking passengers are complaining big time!

Smokers have a right to smoke in their OWN homes, backyards and cars, etc. Yes...they can contaminate their own enviroment...BUT when it comes to the rest of us...their habit should not and cannot be allow to make us ill or ruin our vacations for a filty habit.

We had a cruise ruined by previous smokers. The cabin we had reserved a good 14 months in advance was destroyed by smoke. Our cabin attendent had to TAPE the connecting door from our cabin to the Penthouse suite because the SMELL of the smoke left from the previous passengers was leaking into their suite.

As smokers...is that fair that we should have to continue to smell your smoke AFTER you leave!!! That our clothes, luggage, blankets, pillows, towels and even toilet tissue should REAK of the stink of smoke days after you have left? Cleaning with the strongest cleaner can't get the stench out...and this is YOUR RIGHT to hoist on us???

Please don't pull out that tired old horse, "I hate women/men who pour on the perfume/after shave or people with bad body odor". It's not the same and you know it!

You know, it's not just smelling your stinky smoke while you are on board...but AFTER you have gone...you don't take the smoke with you!
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As smokers...is that fair that we should have to continue to smell your smoke AFTER you leave!!! That our clothes, luggage, blankets, pillows, towels and even toilet tissue should REAK of the stink of smoke days after you have left? Cleaning with the strongest cleaner can't get the stench out...and this is YOUR RIGHT to hoist on us???

Please don't pull out that tired old horse, "I hate women/men who pour on the perfume/after shave or people with bad body odor". It's not the same and you know it!

You know, it's not just smelling your stinky smoke while you are on board...but AFTER you have gone...you don't take the smoke with you!
OK.....was gonna stay out of this but these last statements were just hogwash! Non smokers go on about second hand smoke killing and the the poster brings up the leftover smell of smoke. Obviously you may find the smell offensive but it's certainly not harmful to your health. Anymore than having a drunk breathing alcohol fumes in your face! I for one, find that totally offensive but harmful to my health....probably not as long as they aren't planning to operate the ship
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To All the Smokers on Board; just remember that we as non-smokers are not trying to take away your rights. Just please remember that we have rights too. I cruise twice a year and my biggest problems with smokers on board (SOME NOT ALL) , is the way they pretend not to see the signs on board that say CLEARLY NON_SMOKING AREA. The casino is one place that all ships have a non-smoking section. And yes the smoke is going to permiate the air in the casino. However when you are in a non-smoking area and your smoke is going in my face and up my nose I have to draw the line and say please move. Also on most every deck on a ship the Starboard or Portside (depending on line ) is designated NON_SMOKING. But again we have a problem when unconsiderate smokers pretend not to read or just plain ignore the signs. Sorry to all the smokers who take offense to this, and if by chance you are one of the few who can't read or find a non-smoking sign, all the crew can help you out on this one. THANKS FOR NOT RUINING MY CRUISE, WE ALL HAVE RIGHTS !!!!! CK
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OK... since some want to ban smokers.... I want to ban all those who bring kids on board and then let them run free like holy terrors and not say anything to their children because they "are just kids and kids will be kids".

NOT... kids like this take after their parents... monkey see monkey do. No more of them on board any cruise ship
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