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Old March 26th, 2006, 08:16 PM
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smoking on cruise ships needs to be banned in cabins and in balconies.
People who smoke are inconsiderate with people who dont smoke. they dont care if they put others life's in risk, not only for the risk of fire but second hand smoking too.
I went to the caribbean last December we had a beautiful balcony cabin and every time I went out to enjoy the balcony the guy from the next cabin was out side smoking so I couldnt go out to enjoy my own Balcony without breathing the smoke from the inconsiderate smoker who was enjoying he's balcony next door.
And if you tell them something one get's to be the rude one.
I hope things change after the fire on the Star.
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smoking on cruise ships needs to be banned in cabins and in balcony's.
People who smoke are inconsiderate with people who dont smoke. they dont care if they put others life's in risk, not only for the risk of fire but second hand smoking to.
I went to the caribbean last December we had a beautiful balcony cabin and every time I went out to enjoy the balcony the guy from the next cabin was out side smoking so I couldnt out I to enjoy my on Balcony without breathing the smoke from the inconsiderate smoker who was enjoying he's balcony next door.
And if you tell them something one get's to be the rude one.
I hope things change after the fire on the Star.
I am with you on that! I am taking a cruise next year and hope I won't have to put up with cigarette smoke on my balcony that I am paying for. You are right about the inconsiderate part too...most smokers don't care or they wouldn't smoke where it could be bothering someone else. I just heard that Scotland has banned smoking in public places...sounds like they have the right idea.
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One of the many reasons why I like to have a balcony is so I can go out and smoke and not bother anyone. I've been out in ours when the neighbor is smoking and unless I saw them, I've never had a smoke problem.. I guess if the wind is going in just the right direction?? I also ask my cabin attendant for an extra ashtray just for the balcony, I would never just toss a cigarette and I don't like to smoke in the cabin.. Not all smokers are inconsiderate, or careless.
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The inconsiderte smoker cabin was next from my cabin but was closer to the front of the ship so the wind and the smoke were always blowing to our Balcony.
(SMOKERS THINK THAT THEY DONT BOTHER ANYONE BUT THEY DO).
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Geez how long does it take to smoke a cigarette. 5 minutes tops? I know the time involved is so negligable that employers dont care that emloyees taking smoke breaks.

Im guessing you inconvenience was less than the time it would take to get a drink poolside. Besides most of the times Ive been out sea the wind was blowing like 50 mph.

I think people should be banned from keeping their balcony doors open and leaving combustable stuff on the balcony. How do you think the fire spread to all those other cabins? A cabin is a small pre fabbed box and shares no common structual features with adjoining cabins and its sprinkled.

Have you thought that people who smoke on the balconies are doing you a bit of a favor by smoking there instead of in their cabin making it smell of smoke for future passengers?

The crew on the SP should be given a medal for saving that ship and limiting the damage and loss of life.

PS Im not a cigarette smoker. There are a million things that other passengers do that piss me off and cigarette smoke is low on the list for me.

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I'm all for making cruise ships safer, so along with banning smoking, we should also rip out all the electrical wiring, fill in the pools so that they are no more than one quarter inch deep, remove the bathtubs and showers, strip out all flammable materials, get rid of the polluting engines and flammable fuel and put the whole thing up on land.

That will make them real safe, not much fun but real safe.

What a knee jerk reaction. The way that some of these comments have been going it sounds as if there is a fire breaking out constantly.

12 million+ passengers over 52 weeks in a year, and how many fires were reported?

So, yes, we definitely need to remove all possible risks.

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I agree with Peter that banning smoking on cruiseships would definitely be an unnecessary knee-jerk reaction. We all face risks from all sorts of things everyday. If we start banning anything that could possibly cause us danger, life as we know it would change forever. Fire at sea is certainly a scary thing and cruiselines are right in banning any item that poses an unacceptable risk, however the fact that thousands of sailings occur each year and that this is the first cigarette-caused fire in recent memory tells us that the risk from cigarettes is so small as to be statistically insignificant.

It may seem that banning smoking would be an easy way to make cruiseships safer, but in fact, it would be nothing more than a "feel good" measure and it would drastically change cruising as we know it. Carnival already proved with the failure of the Paradise that the industry is not yet ready for even one smoke-free ship. How do you expect them to survive with 100's of such ships? Better question, exactly how much are you willing to pay for your next cruise? Lose the smokers (and the family and friends that sail with them) and you may be surprised to find that you can no longer afford to cruise.
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I think the loud mouths that are calling for banning smoking should wait to see if a cigarette was even the cause of the fire.as far as the first poster stating that he could not enjoy his balcony,well guess what the smoker paid the same price as you and the were just enjoying there balcony.I as so sick of the bashing of smokers,I know most smokers go out of their way not to offend non smokers and the non smokers will still complain.I have been on four princess cruises and have always followed the smoking rules.I have been in a designated smoking area and had someone get a staff member to have me put out my cigarette.I was pleased when the staff member told this person that I was doing nothing wrong and if he did not like the smoke then he should go on the non smoking side of the ship.
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I think the loud mouths that are calling for banning smoking should wait to see if a cigarette was even the cause of the fire.as far as the first poster stating that he could not enjoy his balcony,well guess what the smoker paid the same price as you and the were just enjoying there balcony.I as so sick of the bashing of smokers,I know most smokers go out of their way not to offend non smokers and the non smokers will still complain.I have been on four princess cruises and have always followed the smoking rules.I have been in a designated smoking area and had someone get a staff member to have me put out my cigarette.I was pleased when the staff member told this person that I was doing nothing wrong and if he did not like the smoke then he should go on the non smoking side of the ship.
If I understand you right you say that the gentleman that started this post has no right to a smoke free balcony...it is his problem not the smoker's. How about the smoker taking the responsibility of making sure his smoke is staying on his balcony and not straying over onto someone else's? This attitude of "you will just have to put up with it" is what makes nonsmokers so angry. I don't care if you smoke...just don't make me have to smoke too, PLEASE!
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I think the loud mouths that are calling for banning smoking should wait to see if a cigarette was even the cause of the fire.as far as the first poster stating that he could not enjoy his balcony,well guess what the smoker paid the same price as you and the were just enjoying there balcony.I as so sick of the bashing of smokers,I know most smokers go out of their way not to offend non smokers and the non smokers will still complain.I have been on four princess cruises and have always followed the smoking rules.I have been in a designated smoking area and had someone get a staff member to have me put out my cigarette.I was pleased when the staff member told this person that I was doing nothing wrong and if he did not like the smoke then he should go on the non smoking side of the ship.
If I understand you right you say that the gentleman that started this post has no right to a smoke free balcony...it is his problem not the smoker's. How about the smoker taking the responsibility of making sure his smoke is staying on his balcony and not straying over onto someone else's? This attitude of "you will just have to put up with it" is what makes nonsmokers so angry. I don't care if you smoke...just don't make me have to smoke too, PLEASE!
How is the person on the other balcony "making you smoke". He is out of doors on his balcony. How can he be expected to control the wind to ensure that not one wiff of smoke passes across your balcony. And like I said before how long does it take to smoke a cigarette? And its not like smoke has the aroma of a pile of pig manure. By your logic it is like getting mad at the guy in the stall next to you for stinking up the bathroom.

I dont really think smokers are intolerant I think they're just fed up with being treated like kindergarteners being told where they can and cant do stuff.

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Russell in MD, you are fighting a losing battle. You will never get non-smokers to say that smokers have rights. I am considerate of others when I smoke. I only smoke in smoking areas, do not smoke in hallways, elevators, poolside, etc. The last time I was on a cruise I was in the casino,(where smoking is allowed) I had an individual come up to me and asked me put my smoke out. I told her that it was a smoking area. The reply was I was very rude. It is things like this that make smokers mad. I now stand up for my rights and if non-smokers don't like it they can leave.
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You smokers are fighting a battle that has already been lost. It's over I'm an ex smoker, (pack and a half to 2 packs a day for 25 years) and I'm telling you the PR battle and the legal battle are virtually over, you lost. If you don't believe it, try to light up in an airplane, or a restaurant in Colorado or many other states. How could you not know this? Smoking is a dinosaur. You have no right to pollute my air-- period. I have had Juan's experience with some bozo on the verandah next to mine too often. Read Ann Campbell's piece on this subject on the main page. Changes are coming, and for the vast majority of us, not a minute too soon.

I predict that 10 years from now you will have to go to a specially designated and ventilated room to smoke on a cruise ship.
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I agree with Peter that banning smoking on cruiseships would definitely be an unnecessary knee-jerk reaction. We all face risks from all sorts of things everyday. If we start banning anything that could possibly cause us danger, life as we know it would change forever. Fire at sea is certainly a scary thing and cruiselines are right in banning any item that poses an unacceptable risk, however the fact that thousands of sailings occur each year and that this is the first cigarette-caused fire in recent memory tells us that the risk from cigarettes is so small as to be statistically insignificant.

It may seem that banning smoking would be an easy way to make cruiseships safer, but in fact, it would be nothing more than a "feel good" measure and it would drastically change cruising as we know it. Carnival already proved with the failure of the Paradise that the industry is not yet ready for even one smoke-free ship. How do you expect them to survive with 100's of such ships? Better question, exactly how much are you willing to pay for your next cruise? Lose the smokers (and the family and friends that sail with them) and you may be surprised to find that you can no longer afford to cruise.
Wow! I guess I never really realized that MOST passengers who cruise are smokers. I guess if EVERY cruise ship was non smoking, smokers wouldn't cruise. Just like they don't go to retaurants anymore in states where smoking is banned?

While a non smoking ship would be great most people are saying restrict smoking to certain areas and not allow it in rooms or balconies. Again, whether or not a cigarette caused this fire (let's wiat for the report), this is still a valid topic of discussion. Just because there haven't been more fires on ships doesn't mean there aren't problems. I wonder how many burns there are in furniture and carpets? Have you ever walked by a smoker in the casino and been burned becuase THEY weren't watching where they were holidng their cigarette?

As another poster asked, name a health benefit of smoking? There just aren't any. It is an addiction and a source of revenue.
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Wow! I guess I never really realized that MOST passengers who cruise are smokers. I guess if EVERY cruise ship was non smoking, smokers wouldn't cruise. Just like they don't go to retaurants anymore in states where smoking is banned?
No, most passengers who cruise are not smokers. However, if you consider that if even one person in a family smokes, the entire family is likely to stop cruising once smoking is banned, you can see how that would quickly add up to a big problem for the cruiselines. For example, my entire family of 11 would no longer be choosing cruising as our twice-yearly vacation if my mother (the only one amongst us who smokes) could not bring her cigarettes.

The once non-smoking ship Carnival Paradise was the most heavily discounted ship in the fleet because it had trouble getting enough bookings. I think it's reasonable to assume that was at least partly because it lost alot of large family and group bookings because if even a single smoker was within the group, the entire group booked elsewhere. If smoking bans on cruisehips were to become widespread, these people would just choose other vacation alternatives.

It's also been said (although I don't know if it's true) that smokers spend more on alcohol and gambling than non-smokers. If true, this certainly would be a major concern to any cruiseline considering a smoking ban.

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While a non smoking ship would be great most people are saying restrict smoking to certain areas and not allow it in rooms or balconies.
This would have very much the same effect as banning smoking outright. People go on vacation to relax and have a good time. I doubt many smokers would consider it relaxing or fun to have to leave their cabin every time they wanted to smoke. I know it would be the end of cruising for my family and I'm guessing a significant number of other smokers (and their families) would stop cruising.

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Again, whether or not a cigarette caused this fire (let's wiat for the report), this is still a valid topic of discussion. Just because there haven't been more fires on ships doesn't mean there aren't problems. I wonder how many burns there are in furniture and carpets? Have you ever walked by a smoker in the casino and been burned becuase THEY weren't watching where they were holidng their cigarette?
Sure, it's a valid discussion and wishing for smoking to be banned is a valid opinion. I just don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. The cruiselines have way to much to lose and nothing to gain.

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As another poster asked, name a health benefit of smoking? There just aren't any. It is an addiction and a source of revenue.
I agree. But as long as it continues to be a good source of revenue (more bookings, larger alcohol and gambling tabs, onboard cigarette sales), cruiselines will be hesitant to ban it.
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"This (restricting smoking to a few places on the ship) would have very much the same effect as banning smoking outright. People go on vacation to relax and have a good time. I doubt many smokers would consider it relaxing or fun to have to leave their cabin every time they wanted to smoke. I know it would be the end of cruising for my family and I'm guessing a significant number of other smokers (and their families) would stop cruising. "

My god, how selfish and self centered can you be? I know many people would respond to that by saying "good riddance." I wouldn't go quite that far, but I would say that your assertion that if one family member who is a smoker is slightly inconvenienced by having to be considerate of others, the whole extended family will stop cruising is just plain old rubbish. On the contrary it might give the sane family members some leverage to get the smoker to quit -- thus saving his life. That's what my kids did for me 20 years ago, and I am extremely grateful!

You are right about one thing though, People go on vacation to relax and have a good time. That is precisely why we want to banish smokers to the engine room!

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My god, how selfish and self centered can you be? I know many people would respond to that by saying "good riddance." I wouldn't go quite that far, but I would say that your assertion that if one family member who is a smoker is slightly inconvenienced by having to be considerate of others, the whole extended family will stop cruising is just plain old rubbish. On the contrary it might give the sane family members some leverage to get the smoker to quit -- thus saving his life. That's what my kids did for me 20 years ago, and I am extremely grateful!

You are right about one thing though, People go on vacation to relax and have a good time. That is precisely why we want to banish smokers to the engine room![/b]
Nothing selfish about it. There already are smoking restrictions and considerate smokers (like my mother) abide by them. There is nothing inconsiderate about her wishing to enjoy her cigarettes in the privacy of her own cabin if it does not break cruiseline rules, and for her to have to leave the cabin everytime she wished to smoke would be way more than "slightly inconvenient". It would be pretty much like asking you to leave the cabin everytime you wished to use the bathroom. Actually, it would be much worse than that since she smokes pretty much nonstop, which I'm guessing is much more than you use the bathroom.

As much as I would like her to quit, I realize that she is a grown woman capable of making her own decisions and I will not use any kind of leverage or manipulations to get her to stop. I have too much respect for her to try those games.

Even though I am well into adulthood, I enjoy cruising with my parents and sisters and their kids. I would never dream of leaving mom behind, nor would I ever dream of forcing her to be miserable the entire time because of overly restrictive smoking regulations. There are just too many other vacation alternatives for that. I'm guessing many other families feel the same and that is why the cruiselines have too much to lose to ban smoking. Carnival Paradise has already proven that point.
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to the poster who said he smoked 1 1/2 - 2 packs a day for 25 years,were you so consoderate of nonsmokers for that 25years,i'll bet not.now that you have polluted the air for 25 years your trying to tell the current smokers that they can't do it.I call that a hippocrite.
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One thing that non-smokers need to consider before they bash smokers for polluting "their air"...do you drive? Then you pollute my air. Do you mow your lawn with a gas mower? Then you pollute my air. Do you have a fireplace for those cold winter nights? Then you pollute my air. Do you have a natural gas heater in your home, or a natural gas stove/oven or hot water heater? Then you pollute my air.

So unless you can say that you have none of those things, and don't buy a single product from a factory, and get your electricity from a nuclear plant or wind turbine, then don't give us smokers the "you pollute my air" argument.

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to the poster who said he smoked 1 1/2 - 2 packs a day for 25 years,were you so consoderate of nonsmokers for that 25years,i'll bet not.now that you have polluted the air for 25 years your trying to tell the current smokers that they can't do it.I call that a hippocrite.
I don't think that is so. I think he didn't realize he was affecting others so much, and now he does. I've heard lots of stories about people who, after they've quit smoking, realized how obnoxious it is. They weren't aware of it when they were smoking.

Maybe it isn't the smokers fault that he doesn't know how difficult it is for a non-smoker to be around him/her, he just doesn't know any better.

And by keeping the smoking to only the smoking areas does little good. There have been studies that show even in the non-smoking areas of restaurats, the levels of pollutants is very close to the levels in the smoking areas.

I just can't believe people still smoke. We hear all the time about foods that are good for you, then we hear they are bad for you, then good for you again, and so on. One day caffine, chocolate, carbohydrates, and wine are all bad for you, then a week later, they are all good for you. So much conflicting information, it is easy to see how many people have a hard time with it.

BUT, when it comes to smoking, there is absolutely no doubt that it is bad for you. There are no health benefits to smoking...none. Everything about smoking is bad, there is proof beyond the shadow of a doubt, any doubt, not just a reasonable doubt, any doubt. Yet people still do it. I really don't think you can compare it to fatty foods, because your body does need fat. And you can't say it is the same as alcohol, because the jury is still out on that, some studies say that a small amount of alcohol has benefits to you.

NOTHING, no study anywhere (except maybe the cigarette companies ad material) will tell you that maybe smoking is good for you. So why would anyone do it? It is terrible for you, it is obnoxious to others, it is very costly...WHY I ask, WHY?
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Do NOT get me started on this subject. First, obviously, I am not a smoker. I DO believe in people's rights, but not when they infringe on mine. Donna talks about smoking on her balcony. Yeah, you're the one who was next to ME as I sat on my balcony and tried to enjoy it, but got gassed out by your smoke. Your balcony is NOT the place to smoke. Yes, you paid for yours and I paid for mine, but I have rights too. At least you weren't the one who had our cabin right before we got on the Navigator OTS when the previous cruisers were OBVIOUSLY smokers. We could never get that smell out of the cabin, no matter how hard the housekeeping staff tried. We eventually changed cabins. PEW!

As for Paul1's comments, your need to get over yourself. Smokers will always be subject to bashing, just as everyone else in every race, creed or sexual orientation gets bashed. Again, your rights infringe upon mine. Sounds like a no win.

I just don't get it. Smoking smells. I'm not trying to be rude or insulting, but doesn't it smells as bad to smokers as non smokers? I'm just curious.

More importantly, we all need to ask the question WHAT ABOUT THE SPRINKLERS? Every cabin I've ever been in has a sprinkler head. What is the deal in this case? This really scares me, and I've been cruising for over 20 years.

Have you ever been to Walt Disney World in Orlando? In the Magic Kingdom, there are only a few places in the whole park that have smoking areas. The same should apply to cruisers. It's the only way to be fair to everyone. I can't avoid being in the cabin next to you. I can't avoid getting the cabin that you smoked in after you leave. I can avoid the smoking areas (especially the casino - can't breathe!).

Hope the industry finds a solution soon. For ALL of us.
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Hey, I'm not a hypocrite, I had the guts to quit. It was hard, very hard, but I figure I owed it to my kids and to my own health. I'm proud of it, and Im sorry for those I offended when I was a smoker. In those days at least 50% smoked, now it's less than 20%.

To answer one question, no, smokers do not realise how bad their habit is for non-smokers. They have no idea -- I know I didn't.

To luvtocruise99, who has too much"respect" for her mother to try to get her to quit, apparently she has never watched a relative die of lung cancer or emphysema -- I have had that very unpleasant experience. Believe me if you had real respect for your Mom, you would move heaven and earth to get her to quit, Now! Also, I don't know where you live but there are now 13 states and hundreds of cities in the U.S. with total smoking bans. It is predicted that within 5 years 85% of the U.S. will be in the same situation. Here in Colorado, after July 1, smoking is banned in all restaurants, bars and public places. even outdoors. someone lighting up at a Bronco's game or a Rockies game at Coors field will be arrested. Guess you and your mom better stay out of Colorado. The truth is that everyone learns to live with it, and the smart smokers quit and add years to their lives.

The thing you really need to understand, luvtocruise99 is, once again, the legal and public relations battles that have been fought for twenty some years now are essentially over. The smokers lost. You are beating a dead horse.
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what you all need to understand is smokers also have rights,pay our taxes and every thing else just like you.if I am in a designated smoking area and some one complains about my smoke I just tell them then you can move to some other place,because if I am following the rules then non smokers should have NOTHING to say about my smoking.I am so sick of non smokers thinking they are better then smokers,they are absoluty no better then anyone else.
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Paul1, What you need to understand is that your "designated smoking areas" are rapidly disappearing, and will soon be gone You do know that don't you?
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what you all need to understand is smokers also have rights,pay our taxes and every thing else just like you.if I am in a designated smoking area and some one complains about my smoke I just tell them then you can move to some other place,because if I am following the rules then non smokers should have NOTHING to say about my smoking.I am so sick of non smokers thinking they are better then smokers,they are absoluty no better then anyone else.
It depends on what criteria you use by being better than someone. If you are talking about lung health, then yes, I am better than you. If you are talking about my odor, then yes, I am better than you. If you are talking about addiction to nicotine, the yes, I am better than you. If you are talking about being considerate of others, then yes, I am better than you. If you are talking about making a dangerous environment for anyone who is in the same building as you when you smoke, then yes, I am better than you.


I am so sick of smokers thinking that no one else has the right to complain about them, and that their addiction affects no one but themselves.
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I do not care if they are shrinking,I will follow the rules and non smokers need to quit complaining when we smokers do follow the rules.
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I am so sick of hearing non smokers complain,get over it,there will ALWAYS be smokers and you will go to your grave complaining,what a sad way to go.spening your life complaing
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You really don't get it do you? There will not always be smokers. Your day in the sun is done. And everything else being equal, you will "go to your grave" sooner than we will, because of your smoking. We just don't want you to take us with you. And we have every right in the world to complain about your disgusting filthy habit anytime and anyplace we want
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and no you don't have the right to complain about us.did'nt anyone every tell you if you don't have something nice to say then don't say anything at all.
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If I remember Bambi right, I believe Thumper's Mom said something about that.
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It depends on what criteria you use by being better than someone. If you are talking about lung health, then yes, I am better than you. If you are talking about my odor, then yes, I am better than you. If you are talking about addiction to nicotine, the yes, I am better than you. If you are talking about being considerate of others, then yes, I am better than you. If you are talking about making a dangerous environment for anyone who is in the same building as you when you smoke, then yes, I am better than you.


I am so sick of smokers thinking that no one else has the right to complain about them, and that their addiction affects no one but themselves.[/quote]


I couldn't have said it better myself!
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