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Old July 18th, 2006, 05:54 PM
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The Crown Princess has experienced a "listing" accident just outside of Port Canaveral on it's way to NY and is returning to Port Canaveral with injured passengers.

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http://www.local6.com/news/9537249/detail.html

and on the "other" big site under Princess.
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You can read posts from PAX on the Crown ***edited to remove commercial reference.
There is a lengthy thread re: this incident on the Princess thread.
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I'm watching her come into Port Canaveral now on the port webcam. She seems to be under her own power, two tugs along side.
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The two ladies I "know" from another site were the first to report it. Sounds very very bad....many people injured. Oh gosh, those poor poor people. Let's just all pray that it's all cuts and bruises and that no one is seriously injured!!!

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Everybody,

Princess's initial press release about this incident indicates that the cruise will terminate in Port Canaveral when the ship returns there and that passengers will receive a full refund plus reimbursement of additional expenses.

It sounds like something caused application of way too much rudder, casuing the ship to turn too tightly. A tight turn would cause the ship to heel suddenly, possibly causing injury to passengers who were not braced for it and thus lost their footing. If it's severe enough, such a heel also could hurl chairs and other unsecured objects across the ship, also potentially causing injury.

JTOL, there might be injured passengers in some cabins whose stewards have not found them yet. I hope that the ship went to muster stations to account for all passengers.,,,

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Old July 18th, 2006, 06:58 PM
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Reports that came from the ship an hour after it happened indicated they did not call a muster. Everything is smashed and broken...lots of broken glass and bleeding passengers.

She's pulling into Port Canaveral now.

Please pray that those injured will be okay!
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Tracy,

Reports that came from the ship an hour after it happened indicated they did not call a muster. Everything is smashed and broken...lots of broken glass and bleeding passengers.

Yes, it's quite likely that a lot of glassware and dishes went flying. Cleaning up the mess will be pretty easy. Getting replacements to the ship may take a few days....

Based upon what I'm hearing, I'm guessing that the line probably will cancel the next cruise because it will take that long to get new dishes and glassware to the ship.

The unanswered question is whether the apparent application of excessive rudder was due to a malfunction of the autopilot or an error on the part of a deck officer. Either way, I doubt that it will affect more than one cruise.

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There is evidently a little girl who is very very badly injured. Focus your prayers, all, in her direction!

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Tracy,

There is evidently a little girl who is very very badly injured. Focus your prayers, all, in her direction!

Yes, MedEvac'd to Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Here's another [url=http://www.cfnews13.com/StoryHeadline.aspx?id=17293]news report[/i].

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Amazing that something like this can happen on a brand new ship, but I guess you never know! Thank goodness they are in port now and getting the injured from the ship to area hospitals. I wonder tho, what does Customs do in a situation like this? They always make such a BIG DEAL about clearing a ship when it comes it! Guess it all goes out the window when something like this occurs?

Also, it would worry me about people in wheelchairs...when we were on our last cruise, there were numerous cruisers in power wheelchairs (my hubby included)...if a ship were really to list that much, they could be pinned against one of the walls in those narrow hallways, and that could be VERY bad!!!

At least they were able to turn around relatively quickly and get back to port...hope all will be okay and be able to enjoy their FULL refund and another cruise to look forward to!
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Not to start any rumors but I would imagine it is standard operating procedure to test the appropriate crew members for alchohol.

Yikes, most of these little mishaps are just that. That must have been downright scary!
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Robkabob,

From the way you spell "alcohol", I think you had a little nip yourself!!

Anyway, I heard on the news that the ship was actually on auto-pilot. Maybe it's time to keep on eye on THAT "employee"!
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Good Gravy Marie, you are right!

They may need to test the ship if they cannot get to the bottom of it.
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Robkabob,

Um, who is Marie?? :o
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We are supposed to be on the Crown for the next sailing from Brooklyn on Thursday. Clearly, this is not likely to happen. I know Princess will refund our money, but damn, we had a lot of juggling to do to arrange this vacation. We will not be able to postpone it; my daughter just graduated from high school and this was to be her graduation present.

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my daughter just graduated from high school and this was to be her graduation present.

Damn.
That has got to be terribly disappointing. I guess it be helpful at a time like this to count your blessings that you weren't on her *this* week. I am sure Princess will do everything they can to make things right....well, as right as they can be under the circumstances.

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I don't want to upset the apple cart.We were on the Crown July2-11 and so many problems occured with our trip. We had no air conditioning, the fridge didn't work for the entire 9 days. To start off we never got to our 1st port due to fuel problems. Then I paid for a tripple balocny and we had no 3rd berth for my granddaughter. They gave us a rollaway cot, which was placed in front of our balcony door. So I have very limited use of my balcony! The food wasn't very good, the shows were poor, I really expected things to work out better than they did for a Brand new ship. With all the above inconveiences it put a damper on our cruise and was less enjoyable. I do have to say the problems we encountered were not half as bad as what happened today with the ship. May god bless the injuried and and return everyone home safely.
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Well has we all know Martha Stewart did christened the ship. Maybe her luck rubbed off.

My prayers go out to everyone on board.
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Robkabob,

Not to start any rumors but I would imagine it is standard operating procedure to test the appropriate crew members for alchohol.

Yikes, most of these little mishaps are just that. That must have been downright scary!


There's little likelihood that alcohol played a role in this incident. The deck watch officers have very strict policies about not drinking before taking the watch. It's more likely either a malfunction of the autopilot or an honest error on the part of a watch officer.

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Thank goodness they are in port now and getting the injured from the ship to area hospitals. I wonder tho, what does Customs do in a situation like this? They always make such a BIG DEAL about clearing a ship when it comes it! Guess it all goes out the window when something like this occurs?

Where there's a medical emergency, immigration and customs will clear the injured passengers first.

The rule about disembarkation actually is not very strict. On many cruises where immigration clears a ship at a port of call, they hand out gangway passes as you clear immigration so those who have cleared immigration can proceed ashore.

Also, it would worry me about people in wheelchairs...when we were on our last cruise, there were numerous cruisers in power wheelchairs (my hubby included)...if a ship were really to list that much, they could be pinned against one of the walls in those narrow hallways, and that could be VERY bad!!!

Most ships can list more than 45 degrees and still right themselves, so the list itself is not the danger. Here, though, the ship apparently heeled quite suddenly. It's the suddenness of the heel that would throw people.

There's a new article about the incident that provides a very colorful description of what happened.

Tom Daus, 32, was sunbathing on the ship's upper deck when the ship began to list.

"It became very disastrous because ... tables, glasses, lounge chairs went flying," he told The Associated Press in a cell phone interview. "I was just holding on for dear life onto the bannister of the ship."

Daus, of New York City, said several of the upper decks were flooded and the elevators were inoperable. Gym equipment flipped over, TVs fell off their shelves and shattered glass was strewn across the deck, he said.

"The water came gushing out of the pool like a mini-tsunami," he said. "It was really scary. People who were in the pool were shoved out.


Of course, the effect would be greatest on the upper decks....

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How horrible. I don't know if I could go on another cruise after that if I had been on that ship. Heck of a way to get a free cruise!!!! We are planning another one for next fall (07). Hope everyone recovers OK and gets home safely.
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As we have been saying- the cruise business is pushing these ships to be ready when they really aren't.
They need to take their time. As with the shake down- the ac should have been addressed, the ref. also.
This is one issued with the mechanical issues that should have been taken care of when the ship was doing the sea trials.
It seems like since Princess was taken over by Carnival there have been problems.
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Hey Galate? Is there anyway you can call Princess & see if you can book something else on one of their other ships pretty fast? They will probably bend over backwards for you.
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Over on the other well-known cruise site, several people that are member's have reported what they experienced while onboard when this happened.

Can't release the name of the site since its TOS, but if anyone wants to read the details, email me. It's posted under their Princess board.
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I am feeling not so confident in Princess all of a sudden. We booked a cruise aboard the Star Princess for next February, knowing full well about the fire on that very ship. I know all the damage has been repaired and that they have supposedly made some changes to make the balconies less flammable, but then this new thing happens and I am starting to wonder about Princess.

My travel agent has a non-refundable deposit policy (unless I book something else with him) but I am considering either cancelling or at least changing our cruise line.

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Could it be that the more computers and remote electronic hydraulic controls are involved the more likely things like this are to happen? Unbelievably scary!
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This sounds very bad: A local person is reported to have sustained a broken wrist/arm in the incident and a child is critically injured. Here is the link to the news article on the Home Page:

http://www.cruisemates.com/articles/news/

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Well, since it has now happened a few times in the last few years, Queen Mary II, and Norwegian Dawn also both listing suddenly from rogue waves, why not educate people on what to do in the case of a sudden tilt?

Teach them that when they feel the ship starting to tip, if they are in an open area to quickly grab something solid and hold on, or if they are inside their stateroom to back away from anything that could fall on them.

What gets to me, though, is the news outlets, ABC using the phrase "Hell on the High Seas" balzoned across the entire length of their video clip. Other headlines like "High Seas Horror".

I mean, it was an unfortunate incident, but nothing compared to so many things that happen all the time where such words are not used. A bus accident where several people die would be called a "tragedy" in the news, but this is "horror & hell."

Whatever . . .
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Paul - that is a fabulous idea for inclusion in the muster drill!

What amazes me is that people are going to 'avoid' Princess, like as you said they are the only ones to have problems...look below, if we avoid the lines that have problems, we'd sail on none of them.

How about some of these....

March 2006 - Empress of the North runs aground

Dec 2005 - Rhapsody of the Seas 'lists' while going into port

Nov 2005 - Funchal Classic delayed while repairs are done to main engines, sat in port 1 week / Sea Dream attacked off coast of Somalia

October 2005 - Salaam 95 collides with a cargo ship

September 2005 - Monarch of the Seas - 3 killed 19 injured when overcome by hydrogen sulfide

August 2005 - Costa Classica - fire breaks out and has to limp (be escorted) back to port

Now, these don't include any Illnesses on board, any weather related delays, etc....
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the article is up on the home page. Initial reports are of a computer mistake.
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