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Allowing electronic cigarettes would take care of every single complaint.

Now that I think about it, there are always complainers.....

Since an electronic cigarette does not burn, it cannot start any fires. It does not give off smoke, or emit any odor.
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I tried one they are not allowed on many planes, I was not really impressed with it like having a heavy pen in my mouth, the battery ran out very quickly and the smoke was cold.
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I tried one they are not allowed on many planes, I was not really impressed with it like having a heavy pen in my mouth, the battery ran out very quickly and the smoke was cold.
But they are allowed on many European flights.

I've been using mine for a year now. One battery lasts a day and a half.
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I suggested long ago that the cruise lines take 10% of cabins and located them on the aft of the ship, and designate them smoking allowed cabins.

The smoke would then be limited to that area, and on a moving ship, would dissipate pretty quickly in that location. Those booking in that area would know they are booking into a smoking area.

Of course there would be the non-smokers who'd complain they are being denied the ability to book those aft cabins, without putting up with smoke
That would be us ! I really have never had a problem with a "sniff" of smoke from a nearby balcony while the ship is moving. It blows away very quickly. Maybe there should be rules about where you're allowed to smoke when in port?

Those of you who suggest "one side smoking, the other non", it just wouldn't work. Some cruise's you'd have a lot of smoker's, other cruise's you'd have just a few.

IMHO, the cruise lines have done their best to make everyone happy, re smoking, and until smoking is made illegal ALL over the world, we need to be accomodating for everyone. Remember that not everyone who cruise's is from the US!
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First of all no solution will make 100% people happy.

I am not from the US but I cancelled a planned vacation to Hawaii which would have included a trip on the POA simply because I could not book a cabin in a non-smoking section of the vessel.

You may well be right in saying dividing a vessel into smoking and non-smoking sides may not work but has anyone tried it?

I have said before I can book a hotel room on a non-smoing floor why can I not do the same on a vessel?

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That would be us ! I really have never had a problem with a "sniff" of smoke from a nearby balcony while the ship is moving. It blows away very quickly. Maybe there should be rules about where you're allowed to smoke when in port?

Those of you who suggest "one side smoking, the other non", it just wouldn't work. Some cruise's you'd have a lot of smoker's, other cruise's you'd have just a few.

IMHO, the cruise lines have done their best to make everyone happy, re smoking, and until smoking is made illegal ALL over the world, we need to be accomodating for everyone. Remember that not everyone who cruise's is from the US!
Maybe you haven't had a problem with smoke on the balconies but we've had the problem on almost all the cruises we've been on. Sometimes it's just sickening, sometime just annoying and the wind never just carries the smoke away as you say. It's always 1 smoker after the next lighting up to make life miserable for many people.

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First of all no solution will make 100% people happy.

I am not from the US but I cancelled a planned vacation to Hawaii which would have included a trip on the POA simply because I could not book a cabin in a non-smoking section of the vessel.

You may well be right in saying dividing a vessel into smoking and non-smoking sides may not work but has anyone tried it?

I have said before I can book a hotel room on a non-smoing floor why can I not do the same on a vessel?

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NCL had 1 side of their ships designated a smoking some years ago & found it impossible to control. Princess has solves the problem once & for all.
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Unfortunately Princess Hawaii cruise is of no interest - ah well.

Thanks for the info on NCL.

Isn't it interesting though that only 20% of the population smoke - yet we cannot obtain a cabin in a non-smoking section of a vessel? Imagine the reaction if the boot was on the other foot?

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Sorry to say they are not allowed on a lot of carriers in the EU
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Unfortunately Princess Hawaii cruise is of no interest - ah well.

Thanks for the info on NCL.

Isn't it interesting though that only 20% of the population smoke - yet we cannot obtain a cabin in a non-smoking section of a vessel? Imagine the reaction if the boot was on the other foot?

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But you can in fact...Sail with Celebrity =x= where smoking is not permitted in staterooms or on balconies !
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But you can in fact...Sail with Celebrity =x= where smoking is not permitted in staterooms or on balconies !
Thanks for the info but I don't think Celebrity sail in Hawaii? Ah well and the Princess R/T from LA does not appeal.

Hawaii is my loss -I just have to spend my vacation dollars somewhere else.


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Thanks for the info but I don't think Celebrity sail in Hawaii? Ah well and the Princess R/T from LA does not appeal.

Hawaii is my loss -I just have to spend my vacation dollars somewhere else.


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SORRY.....Missed the part where sailing r/t from LA did not meet your needs unless sailing from San Diego was acceptable with =x= !
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SORRY.....Missed the part where sailing r/t from LA did not meet your needs unless sailing from San Diego was acceptable with =x= !
No worries - thanks for the info.

My post should have been clearer - I would like to be able to select a cabin in a non-smoking section of ANY vessel irrespective of cruise line.

At least progress is being made

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As a larger cruiser I take offense to the person who attacked fluffy cruisers. Not all fluffy cruisers stuff themselves. I have been on multiple cruises and have come home losing not gaining wait. And you don't know what type of pre existing conditions a person may have to them becoming fluffy. Some medications increase appetite and cause weight gain. I started cruising at 414lbs and I am now 305. I hope i never cruise with you and are sorry for the fluffy who do! Get some compassion and look beyond the body to the person inside the next time you meet a fluffy cruiser.
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It will be interesting to see if Princess will issue the published fine to a person breaking the rules of smokimg in areas deemed out of bounds.
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Compared to one of my UK boards this thread is quite quiet on the issue of smoking on deck, in a lounge or second hand smoke and trying to accomodate smokers who are also just like us, cruisers.

One thing for sure is that time changes people's attitudes.
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It will be interesting to see if Princess will issue the published fine to a person breaking the rules of smokimg in areas deemed out of bounds.

Compared to one of my UK boards this thread is quite quiet on the issue of smoking on deck, in a lounge or second hand smoke and trying to accomodate smokers who are also just like us, cruisers.

One thing for sure is that time changes people's attitudes.
Somehow I think they'll at first give them a verbal warning, even though I wouldn't, seeing that they'll have it posted in all the cabins quite clearly. It should be easy to spot an offender just by walking down the hallway & catching a smell of smoke through the door vent. The balcony is another situation, since at night it becomes almost impossible to tell where the smell is coming from and I'm sure there will be people sneaking a smoke from time to time.
Everything considered, it's got to be better than in the past when at time we couldn't sit on the balcony for any amount of time without getting smoked out.
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So Princess has banned smoking in and on the verandas. As a non smoker I can see the cabins but I think it’s unfair that you can’t some on you balcony. Just like New York you will be ticketed if you smoke in the park and I know they want to implement it in Time Square as well. If this continues they need to just make it illegal to smoke and stop making million on the taxes of the sale of cigarettes. Like I said I’m not a smoker and don’t like being around it but it’s not illegal to smoke. Maybe the ship's shouldn't sell them either.
As a side note I smell something else more often than I smell cigarettes
Have not been on the boards lately and just heard about this. I just got off the phone with Princess and there is no ban on smoking on your balcony. You can still smoke in your cabin until January 15, 2012. After January 15, 2012 smoking will not be permitted in your cabin, but will be allowed on your balcony and in designated smoking areas.

This seems like a fair decision for everyone. I have no problem with respecting other's rights when it comes to smoking, but in turn they have to respect my right to smoke on my own balcony. I have always been considerate of others and only smoke when there is no one else close to me.

On all of my 17 Princess cruises I have never noticed any smell of smoke in the cabins, although on a Celebrity cruise the cabin just reeked of smoke. Princess does a great job of keeping all of their ships in tip top condition at all times. Even so, I can understand the reasoning for the change in the smoking rules on Princess after January 12.

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Have not been on the boards lately and just heard about this. I just got off the phone with Princess and there is no ban on smoking on your balcony. You can still smoke in your cabin until January 15, 2012. After January 15, 2012 smoking will not be permitted in your cabin, but will be allowed on your balcony and in designated smoking areas.

This seems like a fair decision for everyone. I have no problem with respecting other's rights when it comes to smoking, but in turn they have to respect my right to smoke on my own balcony. I have always been considerate of others and only smoke when there is no one else close to me.

On all of my 17 Princess cruises I have never noticed any smell of smoke in the cabins, although on a Celebrity cruise the cabin just reeked of smoke. Princess does a great job of keeping all of their ships in tip top condition at all times. Even so, I can understand the reasoning for the change in the smoking rules on Princess after January 12.

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You either misunderstood, or got a CS agent that did not know the correct policy and changes coming in January 2012.

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Keeping the comfort of our passengers a priority, and in consideration of consumer studies which show smokers are a small minority of passengers, Princess has implemented the following smoking policy:
Designated Smoking Areas
Clearly marked “Designated Smoking Areas” are available onboard and include a sufficient number of ashtrays that are emptied regularly. Generally, these areas include cigar lounges, a section of the nightclub and casino, as well as a portion of the open decks. As a safety precaution, passengers are reminded to properly dispose of cigarettes, cigars and pipe tobacco, which are never to be thrown overboard as this may be sucked back into the ship and cause fires.
Stateroom Smoking Policy Update
For all voyages departing after January 15th, 2012, Princess Cruises will prohibit smoking in passenger staterooms and balconies.

This policy change reflects the preferences of a vast majority of our passengers who value having their primary living space (both stateroom and balcony) smoke-free. As balconies are a hallmark of Princess Cruises, we believe it is important to keep this peaceful space clear of smoke. Violations to this policy will result in a $250 fine for each occurrence, which will be charged to the passenger’s stateroom account. Keeping with the global trend toward more restrictive smoking policies and honoring the wishes of our passengers, we feel this change will enhance our onboard experience and do more to help our passengers escape completely
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Have not been on the boards lately and just heard about this. I just got off the phone with Princess and there is no ban on smoking on your balcony. You can still smoke in your cabin until January 15, 2012. After January 15, 2012 smoking will not be permitted in your cabin, but will be allowed on your balcony and in designated smoking areas.


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That's completely untrue. Princess have gone the same as Celebrity - no smoking on Balconies and In Rooms. HAL & Carnival has kept it on balconies

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For all voyages departing after January 15th, 2012, Princess Cruises will prohibit smoking in passenger staterooms and balconies. This policy change reflects the preferences of a vast majority of our passengers who value having their primary living space (both stateroom and balcony) smoke-free. As balconies are a hallmark of Princess Cruises, we believe it is important to keep this peaceful space clear of smoke. Violations to this policy will result in a $250 fine for each occurrence, which will be charged to the passenger’s stateroom account. Keeping with the global trend toward more restrictive smoking policies and honoring the wishes of our passengers, we feel this change will enhance our onboard experience and do more to help our passengers escape completely.
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You are exactly correct. After reading another thread about smoking on Princess with a press release from Princess, I called again to Princess and got a completly different story. The first story that I was told was incorrect. My bad.

This is absolutely an unfair decision and even though I have been elite on Princess for many years, my next cruise in September will probably be my last on Princess. I have just called and cancelled my b2b cruise to Alaska and will look elsewhere on how to spend my vacation dollars.

I don't happen to drink but to those who think this is fair then I would ask, if Princess is so concerned about the health of passengers then why don't they ban all sales of alcohol and wine on all of their ships?? It would not have anything to do with $$$'s would it? I had to laugh when I read that you can still smoke in the casino!!!! Again $$$

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One of the Carnival brands had to go toe to toe with Celebrity on their smoking policy. They were losing too many non-smokers to Celebrity.
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Great move on the part of Princess, & you're right Trackypup, they had to do something to counter the many who said thet switched tp Celebrity due to their smoking restrictions. I'm just sorry that the new rules will not be in effect when we take our next Princess cruise in October. I guess it's just the way of today's world. I'm sure that it won't be long before ALL cruise lines adopt similar rules.
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Great move on the part of Princess, & you're right Trackypup, they had to do something to counter the many who said thet switched tp Celebrity due to their smoking restrictions. I'm just sorry that the new rules will not be in effect when we take our next Princess cruise in October. I guess it's just the way of today's world. I'm sure that it won't be long before ALL cruise lines adopt similar rules.
I suppose it could have been worse & you could be sailing the first week of Jan before the smoking ban just took effect. ;-)
I wonder how many loyal Princess smokers will switch over to HAL since they will still be allowed to smoke on their balconies. (for now).

To all those people who feel that they been denied their rights to smoke as they please, just know that Princess made their new ruling based on the numerous complaints from the majority of their clientele and not to discriminate against you. It's unfortunate that your bad habit affects all others around you but since it does and there's no way to contain it, they've made the only logical business decision and I'm certain it will result in more people choosing Princess in the future.

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As a larger cruiser I take offense to the person who attacked fluffy cruisers. Not all fluffy cruisers stuff themselves. I have been on multiple cruises and have come home losing not gaining wait. And you don't know what type of pre existing conditions a person may have to them becoming fluffy. Some medications increase appetite and cause weight gain. I started cruising at 414lbs and I am now 305. I hope i never cruise with you and are sorry for the fluffy who do! Get some compassion and look beyond the body to the person inside the next time you meet a fluffy cruiser.
That is just the point. Today it is the smoking ban, tomorrow it might be a food ban or alcohol ban. Everyone in the majority always applauds a decision that doesn't effect them but when their turn comes, well lets just say, they get pretty miffed. The truth of the matter is, this is not about smoking, it's about freedom and the rights of people to enjoy themselves as they spend their vacation dollars.

The idea of one side of the ships cabins for smokers and the other for non smokers has not been tried, I would think that this would be a viable option to please the customers of both sides of the issues.
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I doubt smoking areas on one side of the ship would ever be put in place. It would be a booking nightmare. And besides, once it's banned, it's banned.
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That is just the point. Today it is the smoking ban, tomorrow it might be a food ban or alcohol ban. Everyone in the majority always applauds a decision that doesn't effect them but when their turn comes, well lets just say, they get pretty miffed. The truth of the matter is, this is not about smoking, it's about freedom and the rights of people to enjoy themselves as they spend their vacation dollars.

The idea of one side of the ships cabins for smokers and the other for non smokers has not been tried, I would think that this would be a viable option to please the customers of both sides of the issues.
I am a non-smoker but I would like to see this idea trialled for a reasonable period. Only issue is that the cruise line who trials it might lose money?

Non-smokers have waited a very long time to enjoy a smoke free environment but smokers should be allowed to smoke somewhere.

I would like to flutter in the casino but the smoky atmosphere keeps me away - less revenue for the cruise line from me - but I am happy to let smokers keep that space.

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Just like non smokers are cruising more on Celebrity, i would think that the cruise lines that keep the restrictions to a minimum would see smokers flocking to their vessels
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That is just the point. Today it is the smoking ban, tomorrow it might be a food ban or alcohol ban. Everyone in the majority always applauds a decision that doesn't effect them but when their turn comes, well lets just say, they get pretty miffed. The truth of the matter is, this is not about smoking, it's about freedom and the rights of people to enjoy themselves as they spend their vacation dollars.

The idea of one side of the ships cabins for smokers and the other for non smokers has not been tried, I would think that this would be a viable option to please the customers of both sides of the issues.
When the day comes that the cruise lines ban food & alcohol you won't have to worry about where you can smoke. The smoking ban is one of the best business decisions they've made in recent years for both smokers, non smokers and crew members alike. It will be healthier for everyone since it now limits the smoking areas while still providing smokers a place to enjoy their habit.

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Just like non smokers are cruising more on Celebrity, i would think that the cruise lines that keep the restrictions to a minimum would see smokers flocking to their vessels
Since all the major cruise lines are limiting their smoking areas, some more so than others, Princess will become one of the more restrictive cruise lines that still allow smoking in certain areas. They might lose a few people along the way but also gain some back from Celebrity, HAL who abandoned Princess because of the smoke problems. We never made our decision based on the smoking rules because the only real problem areas in recent years were the rooms & balconies and just suffered with the problem.
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You are exactly correct. After reading another thread about smoking on Princess with a press release from Princess, I called again to Princess and got a completly different story. The first story that I was told was incorrect. My bad.

This is absolutely an unfair decision and even though I have been elite on Princess for many years, my next cruise in September will probably be my last on Princess. I have just called and cancelled my b2b cruise to Alaska and will look elsewhere on how to spend my vacation dollars.

I don't happen to drink but to those who think this is fair then I would ask, if Princess is so concerned about the health of passengers then why don't they ban all sales of alcohol and wine on all of their ships?? It would not have anything to do with $$$'s would it? I had to laugh when I read that you can still smoke in the casino!!!! Again $$$

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First of all, they're not banning smoking on their ships, they are limitinf it; big difference. Secondly, you're comparing apples to oranges with your alcohol analogy. The sale of alcohol does nothing detrimental to the health of anyone except those who over indulge. Exposure to second hand smoke has been proven to be detrimental to the health of those who do not themselves smoke. I don't think you will win with that argument.
I do agree however, that it is ALL about the money; it's ALWAYS about the money. That's why they're in business; to make money. If it waan't about the money, smoking would be illegal, but there is too much money to be made from the over-taxation of tobacco products.
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I still smoke on my balcony. No one has caught me yet. I paid for my cruise, and shouldn't be told how to enjoy myself.
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I still smoke on my balcony. No one has caught me yet. I paid for my cruise, and shouldn't be told how to enjoy myself.
I support you on your right to enjoy yourself but like everyone else once you board that ship you obey the rules published as it is their ship and the Captain is the master of the high seas.
In your case, you might get a warning , a $250 fine as published or worst case you are placed off the ship at the next port of call.

Really, you have to decide where you stand up for your principles and pay the price or recognize it is not that great a discomfort as you do have options.
The policy only goes into effect in a few days, enjoy your balcony puff
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