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Old March 26th, 2013, 04:32 PM
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What is Princess front office thinking?. Will we cruisers ever see round trips from ft. lauderdale to England & back?.
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Nope - never happen.

Reason? The demand to spend 5-6 days at sea, then spend 5-7 days cruising around, and spend another 5-6 days at sea coming back is basically non-existent.

Cruising is all about supply and demand. No one will provide something that does not have a big demand.

What you're talking about has a VERY limited demand, so it's not something the cruise lines find profitable. And, after all, it's all about making money.

Best you can do is to find a transatlantic repositioning cruise that will provide part of what you're looking for and then fly the other way or look for a one-way transatlantic crossing such as Cunard provides.

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I doubt if there would ever be a call to do it but I would go in a flash since I hate to fly. The move is to shorter cruises put together to make longer trips so they can attract more people. Here in Florida it's impossible to find any cruise over 10 days (on princess) that doesn't include a return to Port Everglades, which is a complete waste of time in my opinion.
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. Here in Florida it's impossible to find any cruise over 10 days (on princess) that doesn't include a return to Port Everglades, which is a complete waste of time in my opinion.
I have done three ten day or more cruises out of Ft. Lauderdale and back and they were not a waste of time.
We had fun and saw interesting places and that is what cruising is all about.

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CruisePlanner: I believe demand could be great. I believe Princess can make money by doing a round trip to England. I believe cruisers would book to england & back, sea days not so important. Let's take a look at the round trip to Tahiti & Samoa cruise... 18 days at sea. Trip to Hawaii & back 8 or 9 days at sea. Trip to england from ft. lauderdale & back very possible.
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I have done three ten day or more cruises out of Ft. Lauderdale and back and they were not a waste of time.
We had fun and saw interesting places and that is what cruising is all about.

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Yes, but when you're paying for a day aboard a cruise ship and are stuck in a Florida port for that day it's not all that exciting. I can spend a day in Fort Lauderdale anytime and it doesn't cost us $200 for the privilege of being there.
Most of the more traveled Princess cruisers do not appreciate spending a turn-around day doing nothing more than returning to port Everglades to pick up new passengers vs. traveling to more distant islands in the Caribbean.
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While I am sure there is a demand for these length of cruise, but compared to the average cruisers, the 7 day is the most demanding. They have to think about filling the ships for this kind of cruise, and I bet it is not cost effective, when they can sail full for 7 days....just doesn't add up....
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I really think princess can full a ship two or three times a year for a trip like this. Why does it add up for a 28 day trip to tahiti & samoa with 18 days at sea?. Talk to me.
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Believe me: If the cruise lines thought they could make money of regular Trans-Atlantic service there would be ships sailing the routes.

Regular trans-Atlantic service isn't a money maker. It takes more than just a few people who want to do it. It takes a lot of people who want to do it on a regular basis in order to make it profitable.

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For the prices they get I'd imagine most transatlantics sail at a loss or just breakeven point. Prices are as low as $25/day for some trips, if they can get double or triple by spending an extra week in the caribbean they will.
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Someone once posted that the most profitable cruises were the very short ones like 3 & 4 day trips - The crowd spends most of their vacation dollars in the first few days & then it trickles off fairly quickly. Did you ever notice that the casino's were most crowded the the first couple of nights. Keep the ship filled with new fresh people dieing to spend their money as fast as possible and it'll be sure to turn a profit much faster. Frequent cruisers like myself who prefer nothing shorter than 10 days are not very cost effective for their bottom line - We don't go to the casino, we don't drink their liquor, specialty coffee or gelata, we don't buy their photo's, we don't shop on-board and very seldom go to their Specility restaurants. If they relied on customers like me they'd be broke in no time.
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Yes, but when you're paying for a day aboard a cruise ship and are stuck in a Florida port for that day it's not all that exciting. I can spend a day in Fort Lauderdale anytime and it doesn't cost us $200 for the privilege of being there.
Most of the more traveled Princess cruisers do not appreciate spending a turn-around day doing nothing more than returning to port Everglades to pick up new passengers vs. traveling to more distant islands in the Caribbean.
RichC, you are speaking for yourself, not most seasoned cruisers. Do a Carib 7 day and count the 100s of pax doing a B2B. E. Carib, then W. or reverse. Ships return to FL to pickup new pax and all the lines do it. We have been doing a Carib. B2B every winter for years. The 7 dayers say, they would love to do it, but have to get back to work.

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RichC, you are speaking for yourself, not most seasoned cruisers. Do a Carib 7 day and count the 100s of pax doing a B2B. E. Carib, then W. or reverse. Ships return to FL to pickup new pax and all the lines do it. We have been doing a Carib. B2B every winter for years. The 7 dayers say, they would love to do it, but have to get back to work.

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I suppose you correct about 100's of pax doing B2B on 7 day trips but from my experience the amount of people on 10 & 14 day B2B far outweigh those numbers with people who have much higher numbers of days traveled. Of course my observations are limited to off season cruises like Nov, Early Dec, Feb & May only.
On all of our 7 day trips ( and there aren't that many) we're always close if not in the top 3 cruisers and on 10 or 14 day trips we're not even in the ball park. We're lucky if we make it to the Captains lunch or cocktail party.

In any event the people who take 7 day trips (even B2B) are not the same ones who do transatlantic trips. As you well know they're the type who still have limited vacation time or limited finances.
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I for one would like to see princess try & see if a round trip would be profitable, nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Since they haven't done it, why should they try it once, to just prove nothing gained?

The suits in Miami, I am sure, have worked the numbers for years, and if it's never been offered, it won't be.
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I for one would like to see princess try & see if a round trip would be profitable, nothing ventured nothing gained.
Nothing gained but I'm sure they've calculated a potential loss.
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I suppose you correct about 100's of pax doing B2B on 7 day trips but from my experience the amount of people on 10 & 14 day B2B far outweigh those numbers with people who have much higher numbers of days traveled. Of course my observations are limited to off season cruises like Nov, Early Dec, Feb & May only.
On all of our 7 day trips ( and there aren't that many) we're always close if not in the top 3 cruisers and on 10 or 14 day trips we're not even in the ball park. We're lucky if we make it to the Captains lunch or cocktail party.

In any event the people who take 7 day trips (even B2B) are not the same ones who do transatlantic trips. As you well know they're the type who still have limited vacation time or limited finances.
You was talking about returning to FL ports for the day. Now you changed to any B2B over 10 days each. We are seasoned cruisers over 2 years onboard. Also do 1 or 2 B2B Medit & TA each year for 27 or 28 days. Have been to Barcelona, London, Civit. numerous times and don't get tired or feel cheated for the return trip to those ports between sailings. Do not hear pax complaining about a return as no one complains of returning to FL.

Except for exortic cruises, seasoned cruisers cruise for the cruise not the ports. We pick routine cruisers (incl TA) by price & ship, not itinerary. Most Carib. Islands we stay onboard, so it does not matter if the ship is in FL.

As I mentioned earlier, I think you are talking for yourself, not the seasoned cruisers.

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You was talking about returning to FL ports for the day. Now you changed to any B2B over 10 days each. We are seasoned cruisers over 2 years onboard. Also do 1 or 2 B2B Medit & TA each year for 27 or 28 days. Have been to Barcelona, London, Civit. numerous times and don't get tired or feel cheated for the return trip to those ports between sailings. Do not hear pax complaining about a return as no one complains of returning to FL.

Except for exortic cruises, seasoned cruisers cruise for the cruise not the ports. We pick routine cruisers (incl TA) by price & ship, not itinerary. Most Carib. Islands we stay onboard, so it does not matter if the ship is in FL.

As I mentioned earlier, I think you are talking for yourself, not the seasoned cruisers.

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Oh I wouldn't mind returning to a home port in Spain, London or Italy either since I never get the chance to explore those ports in any great detail but when I return to Ft Lauderdale in the middle of a B2B cruise I do feel shortchanged. I go to Ft Lauderdale and Miami quite often for various reasons & there's nothing new for me in either place.
I also have heard many people that were not happy about spending a day in Florida when they could have been at some new & distant port in the Caribbean. If you're satisfied stopping in Ft Lauderdale in the middle of B2B's then Princess should satisfy you since there are hardly any more long cruises like in past years.
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