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Mike M July 7th, 2007 02:34 PM

Regen Seven Seas To Change Smoking Policy
 
This is the statement from Regent Seven Seas Cruise Line:

The issue of smoking on board cruise ships has become quite a hot topic in our industry. And while Regent Seven Seas Cruises is respectful of the lifestyle choices of our guests and will always give smokers a warm welcome, we also recognize the need to restrict where smoking is permitted so as not to cause discomfort to, or provide a health or safety hazard for, the majority of our guests who do not smoke.

In light of continuing legislative changes in smoking policies around the world as well as the health and safety issues involved, RSSC will be changing our smoking policy in suites, staterooms and on private balconies. Not only does smoking present a fire hazard, but it is also an inconvenience to other guests as the smoke, or its odor, invades surrounding suites, balconies and public areas, creating discomfort for the guests in these areas.

Smoking will therefore be prohibited in all suites, staterooms and balconies fleet-wide. This change will take effect on the following dates:

Seven Seas Voyager: December 21, 2007
Seven Seas Mariner: December 21, 2007
Seven Seas Navigator: December 27, 2007
Paul Gauguin: December 29, 2007
Failure to comply with this ban will result in guests being asked to leave the ship at their expense, without refund or credit for the unused portion of their cruise.

This decision was made after much deliberation, and we would appreciate your assistance in communicating our new policy to your clients. Partners with clients booked on voyages after the policy takes effect will receive additional communications from Regent later this month.

To view our entire smoking policy, including a detailed list of public rooms/areas where guests can smoke, please click here.

Thank you for your support of Regent Seven Seas. We look forward to continuing to welcome your clients aboard our ships and providing them with The Regent Experience.

Kind Regards,


Mark S. Conroy
President, Regent


Even though I'm a smoker I do see that the trend to this will become industry wide within the next two to three years. I don't see it as a bad thing as long as there is a reasonable area for smokers to smoke.

Oceania, Azamara have similar smoking policies.

What are your thoughts on this?

Take care,
Mike

Cliff33613 July 10th, 2007 11:47 AM

Intolerance
 
Isn't there enough intolerance around the world without cruise lines discriminating against smokers more than they are now? Why can't people just live in harmony without this "Hurray for me and to hell with everyone else" attitude? Smokers have rights too.

I have been a group leader since 1993 and just passed on using Oceania because of their no smoking policy. You can only smoke in a small portion of the top deck with them.

If all the cruise lines go to non-smoking I will try out all-inclusive resorts. Question... if people want a non-smoking ship why wasn't Carnival Paradise a success?

Mike M July 10th, 2007 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff33613
If all the cruise lines go to non-smoking I will try out all-inclusive resorts. Question... if people want a non-smoking ship why wasn't Carnival Paradise a success?

One of the largest reasons that the Paradise failed was that Carnival relies on more onboard revenues such as gambling and liquor sales. They did not garner these revenues with a totally non-smoking policy. Also, the TOTAL non-smoking policy was too drastic, even for today.

I believe the Luxury and niche markets are and will be the first to initiate these policies. I do see that just like today's society; i.e. bars, hotels and other areas the places you can smoke will become limited and the initial backlash may cause a downturn in some bookings but it will not cause a long term decline in paying passengers.

I also see that eventually it will be the norm for all lines and ships.

It's a realistic fact that smokers are now the second class of society and are treated as such. It isn't fair but it is a fact. Not one I like but nonetheless a fact.

This coming from a smoker.

Take care,
Mike

Irish Shark July 10th, 2007 01:26 PM

When LV passed a partial non-smoking ban, you know that changes are coming. Not as bad as Kalifornia, but getting there.

tysaunt July 10th, 2007 03:06 PM

I'm an ex-smoker and would like being able to enjoy my cruises without the smell of cigarattes, cigars, etc. The smell now nauseates me. :roll:

Irish Shark July 10th, 2007 03:10 PM

Ex-smokers are worse than never smokers. :wink:

dawson21 July 10th, 2007 07:43 PM

smoking cigarettes, cigars, and pipes is still legal, basically. this banning smoking on cruises, bars, etc is denying smokers a basic right....the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. yes, i am a smoker and am tired of being discriminated against! smokers and drinkers in most cities pay extra taxes on their products to pay for the arts, athletics, etc but we aren't allowed to smoke anywhere in public any longer. our money is good enough to build things but then you take away our right to do what's paying for everyone's fun. you don't want smoking on a cruise, then the cruise lines should do one non-smoking cruise and one smoking cruise. that way no one is interferring with anyone else's rights.

Cindy July 11th, 2007 02:47 PM

I sailed on the Paradise twice while it was still a non-smoking ship. It was wonderful not having to inhale smoke during these cruises. I stopped smoking many years ago and now can't tolerate being around smoke at all. I wish all the cruiselines would ban smoking altogether. However, I am realistic and know this will never happen. :x
Cindy

Dianeteach68 July 11th, 2007 07:35 PM

Money...
 
The restrictive non-smoking policy has its merits, however, as a smoker,
I cannot see why they would ban smoking from balconies of staterooms.

Presently, when I cruise, I select a balcony cabin so that I may have my cigarette and coffee and relax.

The only thing left will be for me to find another experience rather than
cruising to enjoy my vacations. I will miss it very much, but...

By the way, when are they going to ban and/or restrict the sale of liguor.

To my knowledge, no one has fallen overboard because of smoking...
they are usually drunk when they do this...

No smoke, no liquor sales of any kind...now that is equitable.

Diane White
Oviedo, Florida

RonNix July 11th, 2007 11:01 PM

I vote with my wallet and now Regent Seven Seas has been stricken from the list of cruise lines that I have lined up to try. I am an ex-smoker and find it intolerable that a smoker can not enjoy a cigarette in their stateroom or on their balcony. My last cruise my neighbors smoked and I darn near begged them to blow te smoke my way. But they were always downsind.
It doesn't do much good to get long winded about rights etc. Vote with your wallets. That was the "demise" of the Paradise experiment. If you are a smoker and you use the services of these restrictive cruise lines then you have just told them it is OK by you, and other lines will follow suit. If enough of the "money" people shun the services of these lines, then guess what the other lines will do.

Janmd July 12th, 2007 06:47 PM

As a Regent cruiser, I know that Mark Conroy sat down with the cruisers on the World Cruise and other ones before he came to this decisiion.

As of another board that is out there- we are pretty sure that insurance costs are making the new regs.

Most of know that that smoking on the balcony was about to be banned. And they put it a bit further with no smoking in the staterooms.

Marc was just on the Voyager, the announcement was made when he got off. I had to cancel my trip on the Voyager back on 5/26- health reasons.

Alot of hotel properties have become smoke-free.

I am a nonsmoker and see both sides. But, I will be enjoying the Regent cruises even more since we won't have to deal with a stale smoke air in the staterooms.

babe ruth July 14th, 2007 10:00 PM

Well, I AM an ex- smoker! And yet, I think that banning of smoking in staterooms/suites is draconean! What ever happened to the system of ten or so years ago of cruise ships having smoking and non-smoking rooms/suites? It was a good program. As I didn't smoke, I could book a non-smoking room/suite. Somebody who smoked could book a smoking room/suite.

As an ex-smoker, the only place that the smell of tobacco smoke bothers me is in a very enclosed area, such as stale smoke in a room/suite, inside a car, and such. If I catch a wif of smoke in a public area, so be it. Sometimes I catch a wif of BO in such an area. What do I do then -- get out my power washer?

I believe that any cruise line that fails to offer smoking and non-smoking rooms/suites is doing so not out of concern for my health and comfort, but out of concern for their bottom line! It costs them a bit of money to have rooms/suites to accomodate all. And it may be (God forbid) that return to the old policy would result in some vacant staterooms! Now, the bean counters can't have that, can they?

I disagree with the analysis of the failure of the Carnival Paradise vs. the Regent policy. People who book Regent darn well expect to be catered to! (And I'm one of them!) Have you priced a Regent cruise lately? I could get five or so other couples together and charter a yacht for that price! And then, we could set out own "smoking policy." And too, Regent competes against Silver Seas which caters to the European crowd who would NEVER tolerate this.

My prediction? Regent's "policy" will go down in smoke (pun intended) by the summer of '08.

A J Theodore July 18th, 2007 02:29 PM

Regardless of what one thinks of smoking, how can Conroy and Regent say with a straight face, after putting into place these smoking restrictions, that "Regent Seven Seas Cruises is respectful of the lifestyle choices of our guests and will always give smokers a warm welcome"?

babe ruth August 9th, 2007 05:02 PM

Also, I have cruised Regent a lot! The smoking of others has never bothered me. In fact, I scarcely ever see anybody smoking onboard! I have never read a post or conversed with a guest wherein smoking was brought up as a problem -- except a few about smoking on adjacent balconies. Personally, I believe Regent has created a problem where none existed. I smell (instead of tobacco smoke) the work of insurance companies here.

Unlike another poster above, I see a direct comparisson between Regent's actions and the Carnival Paradise situation. Smoking does not equal drink sales on Carnival or any place else. On cruises, I drink (often way too much) but I do not smoke. Regent's policy is not as strict as the former one on the Paradise, but by banning smoking in one's own stateroom or suite, Regent's policy comes very close to a complete ban. This is not going to be popular among Regent's European potential guests, of which there have been many.

Marc August 9th, 2007 06:11 PM

Richard, I think I have seen over 100 posts from you on this single subject on various boards; why do you keep bringing it up? Now, it is time to wait and see:

1) Its impact on Regent's sales

2) What other cruise lines do

3) What governments do with respect to balcony smoking.

BJAA August 10th, 2007 12:17 PM

Regent Smoking Policy Change
 
It's fairly obvious this change is a 'done deal' and is not going to be reversed.

I'd just like to ask one question Mark.
What other way does Regent plan to notify their 'regular' clientele of this policy change?
There's many ways to give prior notice, other than message board postings... which very few will see.

It would be considerate, and the right thing to do, if they were to receive notice of such a change 'prior' to their boarding the ships.

babe ruth August 10th, 2007 07:34 PM

Marc:

Sorry you don't like my posts. But I feel free on the boards to post about any subject that "just don't sound right to me."

By the way, what can "governments do" with respect to what goes on a ship in international waters? Aha, you are gettting into one of my expertise areas now! I realize that there is a move to regulate ships on the "open seas" by the UN, but it will face far to many legal and political hurdles for any line to be reacting to it now. I doubt either of us will live to see the resolution of any such attempt.

Do I like the smell of stale tobacco smoke? NO! But what I like less is the trend almost everywhere to make everyone conform to some role model set up by governments and "power structures", and to outlaw conduct that does not conform to some standards they have created. And I do not like the errosion of personal freedoms in other areas, too.

So as long as boards will allow a poster to stand up for personal freedom (with reasonable limitations), I guess you are just going to have to endure my posts (or simply disregard them) as YOUR personal freedom allows.

Marc August 11th, 2007 09:18 AM

Re: Regent Smoking Policy Change
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BJAA
It's fairly obvious this change is a 'done deal' and is not going to be reversed.

I'd just like to ask one question Mark.
What other way does Regent plan to notify their 'regular' clientele of this policy change?
There's many ways to give prior notice, other than message board postings... which very few will see.

It would be considerate, and the right thing to do, if they were to receive notice of such a change 'prior' to their boarding the ships.

BJAA, this notice has been posted on their website and letters sent to all the TAs. The non-smoking in cabins does not go into effect until late December; a full six months from when the announcement went out. No one is in penalty period; all can move to other cruise lines. I think they were considerate in giving so much advance notice.

Richard, my point was that your posts have gotten repetitive. As for the legal situation (of which you are an expert) any changes to SOLAS regarding smoking on balconies would impact all cruise lines equally. As for what can individual countries do; they can forbid ships to dock at their ports if they don't conform to any law that they want to pass.

babe ruth August 11th, 2007 12:36 PM

I'm going to get too technical for a brief moment. SOLAS is not a "done deal", but is just in the planning stages. One problem with it is legal and jurisdictional impairments in ANY government or group thereof trying to control ships while on the "open seas." Solution will be a long time in happening, as it will be a major departure from the age-old principle of freedom on the high seas. Yes a government like the US could pass a law banning smoking in ships' staterooms -- but that law would only apply as long as the ship were within the "12 mile limit" of US jurisdiction. Beyond that, the US would be without jurisdiction and authority to regulate anything that goes on in a stateroom. (The way ships open and close their casinos depending on whether they are in jurisdictional waters of countries that ban gambling is an example)

See? Not repetitve at all, right?

Phil&Liz August 11th, 2007 01:20 PM

Regardless of location, a "company" that owns a vessel can make whatever rules they see fit.

Those rules can be challenged in court(s) of law but will take time and effort.

It seems more simple for the client to make the decision and the consequences will be the companies problem.

People don't like a policy-don't use the company or challenge the policy in court. Seems simple to me.

Phil & Liz

babe ruth August 11th, 2007 09:02 PM

Yes, the cruise line company can make whatever rules they want. But I don't like to see them blaminging it on government regulations, which is just a lie!

Yes, a government can require that the build of the ship meet its safety regulations in order to allow the ship to dock at at its ports. But as to activities onboard after the ship has left that government's territorial waters, that government has NO authority.

I have no problem with any line which states "here is what we are going to do because we darn well want to!" Then, the free market will decide. What I do object to is a cruise line using non-existant government legislation/regulation as a false excuse -- because that is just a lie.

BJAA August 16th, 2007 10:41 AM

Smoking is a personal and sensitive issue to allot of people. RSSC could easily send out a mailing to it's Seven Seas Members informing them of the change of policy.
It's a courtesy frequent clients would appreciate and expect from a company that prides itself on exceptional service.

babe ruth August 26th, 2007 03:54 PM

As a bit of an aside here, we have close to 80 nights on Regent, and are members of its Seven Seas Society (repeat cruisers). As such, I am always getting email and regular mail surveys from Regent, asking me about various changes I'd like to see, what ports I like, and the like. So apparently Regent does care about what we "regulars" think and want -- at least on some subjects. NEVER, however, did I receive a survey on what I thought the smoking restrictions should be. I don't think any other Regent frequent cruiser did, either. Instead, this was a decission made "from the top down" without suficient regard for what "regulars" might want. I won't belabor this matter further, except to say that, if asked, I would have proposed restrictions that would not have been more lenient on smoking, but would have been entirely different from those adopted -- from the standpoint of one who does not smoke.

FS121215 September 10th, 2008 04:35 PM

I am a smoker and am still considering The Mariner for Alaska next year.

People have the right to breathe fresh air, just as I have the right to puff away in my home. :wink: I argue with my own family about our' "rights."
If it was not so unhealthy, people would deal with smoke the same as perfume and BO. (Do people stop and sniff after there's a fire someplace, or get away from it as fast as they can? It's just not a nice smell anyways.)

If we (as a whole) had been more considerate in the past, perhaps these businesses would not have had to resort to these measures?

It's always fun to clean the walls in our house that are yellow from the Nicotine buildup. Perhaps this is another factor in their decision? The stuff just stays, and gets into fabrics big-time.

fireba11 March 11th, 2009 05:48 AM

It is a shame.....I was really considering this line for a future cruise, now I will have to cross it off my list of acceptable cruise lines because of it's smoking policy.

Have Camera Will Travel October 13th, 2009 01:36 PM

It's been two years since my last cig. I would of went on another line but now all that is all behind me it isn't an issue. Yeah it bothers me when others are smoking but I tolerate it because it so hard to give up. I don't expect someone to give up smoking on their vacation.

Smoking is disappearing on the World Stage. It's the sign of the times and it is catching up to the cruise industry. Thats just way it is.


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