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babe ruth November 1st, 2001 04:09 PM

Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
I know that the "can't bring liqour aboard" issue has been discussed to death. And after all, you could buy a bottle in the ship's shop for only a $9.50 up charge, right?
Wrong! I called RCI today (11/01/01) and was told that now, you cant buy a bottle to take to your room, period. And this same policy applies to beer and wine of course. AND, the list of what you can't bring onboard has grown to include the following: chips, soft drinks, juice, and (for God's sake) bottled water (which some people need medically). I asked if any of these draconian restrictions were mentioned (even in fine print) in any of RCI's ads for supposedly cheap fares, and was told "no". As a Crown and Anchor member, I asked If RCI would send me a list of ALL their rules and restrictions, and was told "no". I asked if one who booked months ago before these rules were invented could be exempt from them, and was told "no". I asked if I could be guaranteed that no more restrictive rules would be applied to me if I booked today for a cruise next summer, and was told "no". Now I know from these boards that RCI's new restrictions are applied in a manner that is far from uniform. But still, after paying thousands for a cruise, I don't want to take a chance on being treated like a refugee. It should be clear to everybody that these rules have nothing to do with needed security. If RCI would prohibit any glass bottles over a certain size (regardless of what they contained, if anything) this could be justified by security concerns. But who ever could commit terrorism with a soft plastic bottle of water, rum, Diet Coke, or juice? Who could ever do so with an aluminum can of beer or soft drink? No one, of course. Rather, what RCI is doing is creating a captive market for its overpriced $3.50 bottled water, etc. And it is doing so in a completely arbitrary manner, with no notice to the consumer, even those who booked before the rules. For those, this amounts to fraud, pure and simple. If you are like me and used to love RCI, I'm afraid it's time to start looking for a new cruise line --- one that will at least put its rules in writing, send them to you, and stick with them for your later cruise if you book now. And if you doubt anything I have said, just call RCI at 1-899-327-6700 and ask the questions I did. And, you might want to think twice before buying or holding any RCI stock! Finally, in my call to RCI I was asked if I would care to book a cruise. My response is unprintable.

Kuki November 1st, 2001 05:37 PM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
Jack Williams, President of RCI is a guest in our live online chat next Monday, Nov.5. I'd suggest dropping by and asking him if these are truly the facts.

Could be an interesting night <G>

Regards,
Kuki

babe ruth November 1st, 2001 05:52 PM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
To Kuki: You bet I'll be there. Just tell me the time (and time zone). Thanks

Robocop November 1st, 2001 07:16 PM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
Babe, Jack will be our honored guest host Monday at 9PM EST in the chat room. I am the chat host and I will spend my time monitoring the board and Anne should be there to take questions and present them to Jack for his remarks. Seems to work best in this type of format so that we can get as many questions presented to him as possible withour mass confusion.
Jim

Flyrod November 1st, 2001 09:31 PM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
I THINK YOU WOULD BE HAPPIER STAYING HOME SO YOU CAN DRINK! WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO BRING BOOZE ON A CRUISE WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER THINGS TO DO!

doxiesx2 November 2nd, 2001 08:12 AM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
I can see the liquor factor, but the go** sake, soda and bottle water?? That's just highway robbery. We have a cruise booked for next summer, probably our last vacation as a family as our kids are young adults and we may have to look for another cruise line. We booked months ago and then you could bring on bottled water and soda, so I dont't see how they can get away with changing the rules with or without notification, and I'm sure there will be no notification. As much as we're forking over for this cruise, the soda and water should be free!

ErnieMCC November 2nd, 2001 08:29 AM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
Here we go again! You spend "thousands of dollars" on a cruise and are even thinking about dragging on your own liquor, soda, beer, potato chips, juice and water? You are going to an elegant cruise ship... not a tail gate party or picnic! No... I'm not talking about a fine cognac not available on the ship to sip on your veranda before retiring... or a great Bordeaux packed in with your bags for "that special dinner". What I do see are people wanting to bring on quantities of these items to avoid paying for them on the ship... and in the process helping to destroy the ambiance and vitality of cruise ships. Sure you can buy it cheaper at home... but you can eat cheaper at home to, rather than going out to a fine restaurant. I cannot help but feel that this results in the overall deminishment of the cruise experience.

MD November 2nd, 2001 01:03 PM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
I was on the voyager last week and bought a bottle of vodka in the general store and took it back to my room (with a $9 charge). There were no questions asked.

Robocop November 2nd, 2001 07:20 PM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
Gee Ernie, don't you know that it is now okay to "do your own thing"? I mean, you paid for a cruise so shouldn't you be able to go to dinner in your bathing suit? How about a robe as you intend on just sitting around chugging beer anyway? I was really upset that they wouldn't allow me to bring my motorcycle! Now I will have to spend all that money to rent one in the ports! I won't even tell you what they said when I asked about taking the dogs with us or about bringing the horse! Hey, I am sure the horse would like to take a ride on the beach and the dog always goes with us at home so why not?
All this of course is tongue in cheek. People, you are getting a tremendous deal if you sit down and figure up the costs should you do this same vacation in a resort or on land traveling by car. Yes these things cost more onboard a ship and a ship makes money off them but so what, you are not required to buy this stuff. Ever notice that your 'meals' in the hotel resturant are higher than what you can get somewhere else for the most part? How about that $1 bag of chips in the machine that has maybe 8 chips in it? Cruise ships still aren't ripping people off compared to other vacation venues. Think about those $6.50 hot dogs at Disney world! Or how about those $4 soft drinks in a 16oz cup? Give it a rest and enjoy the cruise.
Jim

babe ruth November 2nd, 2001 07:41 PM

Re: Attempt at clarification
 
Since my original post here (and a similar post on cruisecritic.com under the name of "Dolebludger") , I have learned that beverage availability and cost are of different priorities to different cruisers. But the responses questioning my drinking habits (at home 10% beer 90% Diet Coke, with added rum on tropical cruises), and my financial status (about 40% of what it was two years ago, thanks for reminding me) are off the subject. The subject is what are RCI's policies on beverages you can bring onboard (hard and soft and water), and what you can do with on-board liquor purchases.So let's concentrate on RCI, please.
Let me restate. RCI has developed a large number of repeat cruisers, to its credit, who have lawfully come to expect that certain restrictions will apply and certain will not based on past business dealings. These (including me) hare a right (check with your lawyer) to expect the same policies on cruises booked now, unless given notice to the contrary by RCI. And people who booked six months ago certainly have a right to notice of any such changes before their cruise date, and the right to cancell penalty free. Problem is, RCI has been changing policies several times over the last couple of months, and has failed to notify. RCI has refused to furnish me with a complete list of all its restrictions. Email and phone communications have resulted in a list of restrictions that does not at all match the responses on these boards from recent RCI cruisers. To the contrary, cruisers say there really weren't any restrictions. But a few weeks ago, posts on these boards were a different story, describing everything but body cavity searches and removal of drinks (soft and hard) from cruisers' possesion until after the cruise. This is the most confusing mess I have ever seen in the area of vacation travel.RCI's president will be on this board for a live chat Nov 5 at 9:00 EST. Let's ask him. After all, I really don't care what restrictions RCI imposes, as long as I have notice of them and can make my decision in light of them. Remember the Carnival Paradise -- the non-smoking ship? Everyone seeking a booking was not only informed of this policy, but was required to sign a statement that they understood it. That's great with me, because it allowed the consumer to make an informed decision. Too bad RCI hasn't been as clear.

babe ruth November 2nd, 2001 09:40 PM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
can I present my question for the RCI pres in advance? please respond

Kuki November 2nd, 2001 11:16 PM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
Babe..
That may be difficult to arrange.. but u can try and e-mail annecampbell@cruisemates.com.

One suggestion, if u want them answered. Make the questions informational, not confrontational. The chat is a dialogue, not a gripe session!

Regards,
Kuki

Ginnie November 2nd, 2001 11:31 PM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
We sailed on the Explorer of the Seas 10/20. We had a drink in the Weekend Warrior bar, on the Royal Promenade the first day. I had a glass of house Chardonay, which I liked very much. We bought a bottle to bring to our stateroom and paid about $18.00. The bartender even opened it for me and gave me an ice bucket to put it in.
When we were in St. Thomas I bought a bottle of Chardonay and my husband bought a bottle of Merlot and we carried them on board. No one said a word.
I think, they may frown if you bring large quantities on board to consume. We bought plenty of drinks in the lounges and dining room and on deck during our cruise with our family of 11.
You wouldn't bring your own wine or spirits to a restaurant that has a liqueur license shoreside, would you? So why should it be different with the cruise lines. I feel that they have to make up lost revenue someplace, as cruise rates are lower than ever. I wouldn't want their food or service to be negatively affected by the low cruise rates.
Happy Cruising!

tjukka November 3rd, 2001 01:19 PM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
Kuki,
Give me the time and we will be there.It will be in cruisemates right.
thanks,
Tj

Kuki November 3rd, 2001 01:48 PM

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tjukka wrote:
>
> Kuki,
> Give me the time and we will be there.It will be in
> cruisemates right.
> thanks,
> Tj
Tj.. 9 PM EST this Monday night.. Nov 5 in the CruiseMates chat room.

C U there!
Regards,
Kuki

slotl November 3rd, 2001 07:54 PM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
I will throw and interesting wrinkle into this discussion.

I am allergic to the sulfites in wine. ALL cruise lines receive their wines (including French and Italian) via agents in the United States. All U.S. wines sold must contain sulfites (a preservative). Therefore, ALL wine served, on any ship catering to US customers, contains sulfites.

I notified HAL of my allergy after cruising with them in Europe. They had offered a 'dinner package' of wine (which included French wine). Since I was cruising in Europe, I thought that the French wine would come directly from France (not via the US) and NOT contain sulfites. Was I wrong.

Since we were cruising Europe, I asked the Matr' de, if it would be possible for me to pick up some European wine (no sulfites) while we were in port and have it served to us during subsequent dinners on the cruise. I explained my allergy and showed the letter that I had sent about the allery to the cruise line prior to the cruise. My wishes were granted. MY WINE was served to me during dinner. Of course, the wine steward and matr' de got HUGE tips from us which offset their loss of revenue on the sale of the wine by the ship (and our financial 'savings' by buying the wine locally).

The cruise ships will work with you for health problems. Just a note: It is very important to tell the cruise line about allergies to sulfites. Many salads use sulfites to 'stay fresh'. You need to know where sulfites may be used in the kitchen during preparation, wine is not the only place where you can find sulfites on the ship's food. If you are prepared, you can order 'around' your allergies.

slotl

Robocop November 4th, 2001 12:37 PM

Re: Attempt at clarification
 
BabyRuth,
Allow me to clarify something for you. You have no "RIGHTS" onboard any cruiseship as they are not US Territory! The Bill of Rights has no legal bearing outside of the USA, and when you are onboard a ship, you ARE in a foriegn country! If you don't like the policies, then don't use them. No need to bad-mouth them or anyone else just because you don't happen to agree with these policies. I can assure you that RCI, or ANY cruiseline, is not out there making policy just to make folks mad or get them upset. They make policy based on sound business practices and with the customer in mind. That is how business is done, period.
Jim

babe ruth November 4th, 2001 03:39 PM

Re: Attempt at clarification
 
Not Quite. While your rights are primarily governed by contract with the line, that line operates out on US ports, advertises in the US, and its ticket contract states that applicable law and courts are those of the US state of Florida. (read the back of your ticket) And, RCI is a US company on the NY stock exchange.Now the rights of which I speak deal with our rights to be free of active and passive misrepresentation in the booking contract, which is definitely under US jurisdiction. I started this topic because RCI had seemingly restricted their beverage policies important to me as a past customer, without making this known to me and others. Not even those who recently booked can find any reference to this in their documents.Later postings have indicated, far to the contrary of my first motivation, that the things have turned into drunken party ships, where people openly haul on cases of booze. I opened this topic to inform people of what RCI is neglecting to inform. For what it's worth, I don't like either extreme, and you bet I have booked my next cruise elsewhere.

Robocop November 4th, 2001 05:15 PM

Re: Attempt at clarification
 
I have never seen, nor have I ever heard of any reports of anyone openly hauling cases of booze onboard for partying. Just isn't done. RCI is no more of a party ship with drunks all over than Carnival, Celebrity, Princess, or any other cruiseline.
Jim

babe ruth November 4th, 2001 05:50 PM

Re: Response
 
Heard about this "party ship" problem on another board, Cruisecritic.com. Robocop, do you work for this site or are you just an interested cruise consumer? Boy, one can sure be misunderstood on a board, if he isn't careful. Hard for me to communicate this way. Hey, all I want is a clear and consistent statement of RCI's current beverage (hard and soft) rules, so I can make an informed decision, as can all cruisers. I've sailed RCI three times, last on the Grandeur in 01/01 to the Southern Caribbean. Best cruise I've had. Then, I could buy liquor on the ship for my room, but especially could bring on Diet Coke(our favorite drink) and bottled water which my wife needs for a medical condition. Hear it's not that way anymore. If you work for this site, maybe you could help us get a clear policy statement, and the way it really is, out of RCI's president in tomorrow's chat. Don't want to insult or ctiticize him. Just want the facts. Thanks

Robocop November 4th, 2001 11:02 PM

Re: Response
 
As you know from e-mail, but for the sake of others I make this statement, yes I do work for Cruisemates, in fact, I am the Community Staff Leader responsible for the message boards and the chats. Even more important though is that I love cruising and sharing and finding information for others who are interested in my passion of cruising..
Jim

babe ruth November 5th, 2001 12:15 AM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
Thank you for your message. Strange, But my wife and I also are troubled by the sulfites in American wine and beer. We can recall going to Germany in 1992 and drinking all the wine and beer (at Octoberfest) we wanted, without getting headaches then, or the day after. Here, it's a different story. In fact, my wife cant't drink any wine or beer at all here, without a migrane. Is there any way to obtain sulfite-free wine and/or beer in the US?

cruzb4 November 5th, 2001 07:57 AM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
I guess baby ruth can not take their own advice,quote"put this to rest" Get over it and finally get off the ship so we can get upgraded to your cabin.Can you imagine the topic of conversation at this cruisers table for 7 days.First time cruisers should not pay any attention to baby and remeber that out of 2,000 passengers 1,999 of us really have a good time and are NOT interested in anyones political objectives while we are on vacation or while getting info on our cruises here.Baby ruth is now accepting your donations of cheese for his campain.Save your dollars though for your upgraded cabin vacated by baby on rci since he gave up on this cruise line.

slotl November 5th, 2001 09:35 AM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
My husband and I lived and worked in Madrid Spain for a year and of course fell in love with their red wine (Rioja region). Since it was "Native" Spanish wine purchased in Spain there were no sulfites.

I visited my local wine shop here in Atlanta looking for the Spanish Rioja wines and ALL contained sulfites. "Contains SUFITES" is always listed on the wine label (both reds and whites).

In discussions with the HAL wine steward and hotel staff, it seems that every bottle of wine MUST contain sulfites if it is to be sold in the U.S. Remember the ships get their supplies from the US.

So, when my husband and I cruise internationally, we "stock up" on wines and bring them home with us to the US. We also bring lots of bubble wrap to make sure the bottles arrive home safely.

Remember sulfites are a preservative and can be found in almost everything served on the ship. i.e. salads, orange juice, smoked lox, etc.

If you have some severe allergies to sulfites, it is best to check with the Hotel Matre' de to find out what foods use the additives on the cruise ships and stay away from that food.

Slotl

Apiarist November 5th, 2001 10:02 PM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
I went through the same mistaken analysis 10 years ago.

In fact, *all* wines contain sulfites. They are a naturally occurring product of the fermenting process.

USA doesn't require the addition of sulfites; it merely requires the labelling of all products containing more than 10 ppm of sulfites -- which is to say, all wines.

Actual severe reactions to sulfites are rare -- on the order of a dozen a year.

I, myself, find that after 3 or 4 liters of wine, the sulfites really get to me.

slotl November 6th, 2001 08:03 AM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
I disagree with your assessment on sulfites in wine being a "natural" process.

I can drink European wines (purchased in Europe) with my meals and have NO PROBLEM. I drink a glass of wine with my meal not liters of wine for entertainment.

I drink the same wine (purchased in the US) and I get sick before I finish my first glass.

Symptoms: stuffed sinus, absolute loss of appetite, and severe headache.

Slotl

Apiarist November 6th, 2001 03:48 PM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
You may disagree with the physical fact if you wish; as Galileo said, "E pur si muove"

You may wish to consider the amount of sulfites, and whether they are added or naturally ocurring, but the existence of sulfites in wine is universal. See, eg:

http://www.ecowine.com/sulfites.html

This has been verified to be by many wineries and wine experts, when I was trying to find a sulfite-free wine.

And I do not think you'll find any support for your belief that the US government requires the addition of sulfites. Not that I believe that governments, particularly my own, must be consistent, but it would be a record setting performance for the government to require the use of sulfites and then require the labelling to reveal that sulfites are in the wine

Tony Ricciotti November 7th, 2001 10:38 AM

Re: Things you can't bring aboard RCI
 
Not to be a shite, but...

If you paid "Thousands" to take this trip, why are you so upset about $1.50 for a can of Soda or $2.50 for a bottle of water you can refill if you desire..


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