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Old December 2nd, 2002, 05:23 PM
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THIS WILL BE OUR 5TH CRUISE....BUT AM NERVOUS BECAUSE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING ONBOARD THESE SHIPS....SICKNESS, ETC. I'M TRYING NOT TO LET IT BOTHER ME BUT WHY ARE THE PASSENGERS GETTING SICK ALL OF A SUDDEN ON THESE SHIPS? IS IT TERRORISM??
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Old December 2nd, 2002, 05:51 PM
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It certainly doesn't sound like terrorism. It sounds like the kind of outbreak that can happen anywhere that people are thrown together for a period of time. Schools, hospitals, nursing homes, even families and friends can pass things around and cause a contagious illness to passed from one person to another. This Norwalk virus has been around for quite a while, and when you consider that this is a relatively small percentage of people on each ship that has become ill, it doesn't really seem too unusual at all.
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Old December 3rd, 2002, 03:14 PM
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Shan, I also am cruising in Jan. on a carnival ship. I just posted today about the virus is making me realllllll nervous on the carnival forum list. Go look at the responses I got. I too question whether it is terrorists but everyone seemed to have heard of this virus and doesnt seem worried. It made me feel a little better. Go read their responses. I know how you feel. I am also nervous about flying. This will be my fifth cruise and cruising is so much fun. I want to have a good time and not be worried. I will not book a cruise again ahead of time. My next cruise will be the spur of the moment cruise that I can drive to. I have been seriously thinking about not going and loose the money I paid for the cruise and airline ( for 4 people). I will see how things go from now until the first of January. I do feel better reading what others have written under my post on the carnival forum, and I am going to try to get excited about this cruise again and try not to worry so much about the media. (this is easier said than doing). I hope you have a great cruise and I hope we do too. We are in our 40's and love everything about cruising. So you and I both are thinking the same but from the replys I have gotten so far we are the only ones thinking this way. Have fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old December 3rd, 2002, 08:09 PM
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You guys should go, you will regret it if you do not, specially if you could lose your vacation money. These virus will evenually get cleared up. The cruise lines will not let it continue, it will soon start effecting their business if not already from people cancelling and such. Go have a great time. I wish I was going to be there with you.
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Old December 4th, 2002, 05:05 AM
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I know it is a scary thing...but don't let it get to you. It is such a small percentage of people getting sick....and it can happen anywhere...it is not exclusive to cruise ships. Just go and have a wonderful time.

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Old December 5th, 2002, 01:52 AM
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Don't worry about it. Remember in the summer when it hit some of the Alaska ships?Well it hit a girls camp north of Vancouver at the same time. So it is not exclusive to cruise ships. In June I was at the G8 and a bunch of people fell ill (Can't remember the exact numbers). There were over 3000 of us in the camp. I did not get sick.

Remember your own health and immune system come into play. So if you are worn out before your trip, drink lots of alcohol (and party all night) you increase your chances of catching something, esp. since it is a semi-enclosed environment. They also say to wash your hands frequently. Other than that have a worry-free cruise.

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Old December 5th, 2002, 09:24 AM
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Shan,
North texas school districts have shut down in some area, they are cleaning schools,etc becuase of....drum roll...THE FLU!!!!
So, does that mean we should be afraid of education?

Do the math...180 people get the flu on a ship with 3,000 people....6%!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mellow out, enjoy your vacation.
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Old December 5th, 2002, 11:50 PM
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The newsies need another story besides the war, and this is it.

If you were a terrorist, would you be wasting your time with a small time bug that just gives a couple days of GI distress?

It's just "going around," on sea and on land. Only difference is, at sea there are a bunch of people together in one place who talk and churn up a lot of mud. Some of them, of course, want "compensation," so they have motives for seeking their 15 minutes of fame.

To show how ridiculous the newsies are, CNN had a story today about the latest outbreak on the P&O ship. The tagline to the story, I swear to God, was:

"You can read the sanitation reports for all cruise ships at the CDC website."

As if the sanitation reports have any relevance whatsoever to this issue. If they say that, it's for sure they don't know what the hell they are talking about, so don't listen to them. Go on your cruise, forget this nonsense, and have fun. If you happen to catch it, it's just two days out of a great week or two.

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Old December 6th, 2002, 09:25 AM
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All things being equal, the simplest and most obvious solution to a problem is usually the correct one (Occham's razor). In this instance the most obvious reason for the outbreak of Norwalk virus on a number of cruise ships not to mention (because the news media doesn't think it to be as newsworthy) in schools, offices, shopping centers and local neighborhoods) is that it is being spread by contact with ordinary people who already have it, not "terrorists". Similar viruses, flus etc. frequently occur at this time every year and during such outbreaks, one standard piece of advice from most doctors is to avoid crowds. Why feed paranoia by attributing responsibility for everything that goes wrong in our lives to terrorism? One could make a compelling argument that terrorists could effectively disrupt our lives simply by spreading such suggestions and paralyzing us with fear. Let's not do their job for them by being too quick to believe every rumor or by blaming terrorism for everything bad that happens.
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Old December 7th, 2002, 05:03 PM
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I think I have NORWALK........THOSE DAMN TERRORISTS! I'm very upset that CNN, CNBC, FOX, OR my local news stations weren't interested in hearing about what my butt thought was a very serious issue this morning. Oops....nevermind....maybe it was JUST the refrieds, jalapenos, and Mescal Tequila I had last night.

Anyway........This crud is now making it's way around the Puget Sound (Seattle to Olympia) area now. I heard just a little blip about it on the news. When the cruise ships have it the news runs it worldwide. They make it sound like a Medieval Plague sweeping the globe. Come on people......it's a frickin diarrhea bug. Drink as much water as you can stand, poop it out and be done with it. I've had hangovers that lasted longer than this does. As with many illnesses, the younger OR older of us as well as those with immune deficiencies may be a bit more susceptible. Some of us will worry about it until we DO get sick. Personally, I don't have that much time to sit around and wonder if I'll get sick OR not. I'll never understand why people waste their time thinking about bad things that MIGHT happen to them instead of working on things that will help them to NOT have something happen to them. At 42, I have RA and have to take methotrexate, sulfasalasine, and prednisone all of which screw with my immune system, but I refuse to let it get OR keep me down. I work in a school district of around 15,000 students/employees and on any given day there are more people per cap out sick with (viruses) than have reported sick on these cruises. I wonder why this doesn't make global news about possible terrorism. Should I stay home because a FEW people got sick on a FEW cruises? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Should I have the time of my life on my cruise because you never know if it will be your last? ABSOLUTELY YES! Should I worry about whether or not I'll get sick on my cruise? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Should I do some things to help me not get sick? ABSOLUTELY YES! The same things you do on land to help ward of illness. Sleep/water/exercise/multi-vits/extra vit-C. There are no absolutes in life which includes cruises.

Well.......thanks for readin my rant AND have a great cruise....I know I will on "LUCKY" Friday the 13th of this month on the Splendor. We'll be taking a car, a plane, a bus, a boat and would take a train if possible to make it complete. Now if something happens and I die on one of these transportation modes on Friday the 13th, forget everything I blabbed about here and stay home with blinds closed AND doors locked. WE'RE ALL DOOMED!


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Old December 9th, 2002, 07:28 AM
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Thanks RB. You not only "said it all" but also said it very well. Good luck on finding a train to travel on (just to make it all complete). RP
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Old December 9th, 2002, 02:33 PM
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I agree with the above comments. I can remember a whole lot of times in my life getting very ill, and I was at home. If we stay at home it is not a guarentee that we won't get sick from our daily interactions. Here are a few tips on keeping healthy, all the time that will also help on a Cruise vacation: Wash your hands and don't stick them in your mouth, or touch your eyes. This is the number one way to cut down your chances of getting sick, anywhere. If you use a buffet, after you build up your plate, use some anti-bacterial gell before you begin to eat, It's easy and cheap. If you sit in the Casino, do the same afterwords. Also, If the ship has a pool and it is not clorinated (some ships just bring in sea water), DON"T GET IN! That water will spreed dissentary in a heart beat. Just enjoy the clorinated hot tubes...

I will be on the Splendor leaving on December 21st and I will be on that ship with anti bacterial gell, and If I do get sick, it is better then coming into work!
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Old December 15th, 2002, 05:58 PM
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The Norwalk virus is the 2nd MOST COMMON virus, the 1st being the common cold.
We are sailing on the Explorer March 15th, and all I got to say is have Immodium will travel!!! The Navy even has problems with this, you just don't hear much about it.
Just use common sense when traveling, they have that hand sanitation stuff that you can buy, kind of like a gel that you can take with you, and be sure to wash you hands after using the bathroom. You can learn more about the Norwalk virus by contacting the Center for Disease Control.I know it won't stop me from cruising.
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I have cruised twice since 9/11. I have to admit I too was very nervous leaving my children behind and wondering if I'm ever coming back. But once I got there I felt a whole lot better. And once I got home I realized how silly it was to be worried. I don't blame you for feeling that way though. Just relax and enjoy the cruise....I wish it was me!!
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