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Old July 20th, 2005, 12:58 PM
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Hey Everyone,
I've been reading a lot of articles about this terrible story and I was just wondering if any of you guys were on the ship with the honeymooners, or if you knew of anyone who was. Let me know if you do. Thanks,
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Old July 21st, 2005, 02:01 AM
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I read they were on the 7th deck not the 9th. The blood was on that awning that juts out from the 7th deck covering the lifeboats.

Has anyone heard which side of the ship? Or which stateroom it was?
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Old July 21st, 2005, 01:50 PM
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Ok, Peter D, how do you know for sure. Tell
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ANKARA, Turkey. -- A prosecutor investigating the disappearance of a U.S. citizen from his Mediterranean honeymoon cruise said he had asked George Smith's family to provide blood samples to compare with blood stains found aboard the ship.

Smith had been on a 12-night cruise, and went missing earlier this month somewhere between Greece and Turkey. He was missing when the ship docked at Kusadasi, a resort area in the Aegean region of Turkey.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity. Civil servants in Turkey are rarely allowed to speak on the record.

The prosecutor said there were blood stains on the ship running from the balcony of Smith's cabin to the life boats, as well as a hand print at the side of the ship.

The family's blood samples would help investigators establish whether the blood stains came from Smith, he said.

The prosecutor said he was waiting for the blood samples to be able to continue with the investigation.

A Foreign Ministry official on Tuesday told the Associated Press that Turkish officials had handed over Smith's file to the U.S. Embassy, effectively turning over the investigation to the U.S. authorities.

The prosecutor however, said that his office would continue with the investigation.

He said several passengers had been questioned, but no one, included Smith's wife, was suspected of any foul play.

He said Smith's wife was allowed to leave Turkey, but was helping with the investigation. "She's at a place where we can reach her easily," he said.

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Old July 29th, 2005, 04:48 PM
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Published July 12 2005


The FBI pledged to continue investigating the disappearance of a Greenwich man from a honeymoon cruise in the Mediterranean, even though international authorities have called off an air-and-sea search for him.

"We're really trying hard to put all of our investigative talents to good use here," New Haven-based FBI spokeswoman Lisa Bull said yesterday. "We're doing so in very close (cooperation) with international authorities."

George Allen Smith IV, 26, who grew up in Glenville and lived in Byram, was on his honeymoon aboard a Royal Caribbean International cruise ship when he was reported missing July 5, when the vessel pulled into Kusadasi, Turkey, officials said. International authorities led a helicopter and ship search of the seas between Kusadasi and Mykonos, Greece, where the ship last docked the day before.

The search was called off on Saturday, but many unanswered questions remain of Smith's disappearance.

"We don't know what happened," said Lynn Martenstein, Royal Caribbean's vice president of corporate communications. "We know he didn't leave the ship under usual means."

The families of Smith and his new wife, Jennifer Hagel, 25, of Cromwell, have declined requests for comment.

"We don't have any more information," said a woman who answered the Hagel family phone on Sunday. "I really can't comment right now. We are really distraught."

Smith and Hagel boarded the ship, which left Barcelona, Spain, on June 29, days after they were married.

Midway through the cruise, at about 7 a.m. on July 5, a passenger standing on a balcony spotted what looked like blood on a white metal awning that hangs over the ship's lifeboats and alerted cruise officials. A search of the cabins near that section revealed the Smiths were the only passengers missing from their cabin, Martenstein said.

"We started a comprehensive search of the ship," she said. "We located Mrs. Smith. We were not able to locate Mr. Smith."

Martenstein declined to say where Smith's wife was found.

"Mrs. Smith shared with us that her husband wasn't in the cabin when she woke up," Martenstein said. "She thought he was with friends. She assumed he was with friends."

The cruise ship has an identification system that records every time a passenger comes on board and whenever each leaves. Ship records showed that Smith came aboard the ship when it left Mykonos for Kusadasi, Martenstein said. That night, Smith and his wife also were spotted at several places on the ship, she said.

"We know they were seen in the disco and the casino," Martenstein said.

Following an unsuccessful search of the ship, Turkish and Greek authorities used helicopters and then cutters to comb the waters between Mykonos and Kusadasi.

"I don't know if he fell off. He certainly could have fallen off," Martenstein said. "We still need to find out what happened."

Authorities in Turkey interviewed Hagel before allowing her to return home, Martenstein said. The cruise ship was also allowed to leave Kusadasi and continue on its way.

Yesterday, the ship pulled into Barcelona, ending the 12-day Mediterranean cruise.

Greenwich residents were still in disbelief over Smith's disappearance, many recalling him fondly.

"He was genuinely one of the nicest guys I've ever met in my life," said Frank Carpenteri Jr., 26, who grew up with Smith. "All of my memories of him were positive."

Smith, who graduated from the business program at Babson College in Massachusetts, had returned to town to work with his father at the family-owned Cos Cob Liquors store. He was supposed to take over the business upon his father's retirement.

The Smith family has a long history in Greenwich. Smith's grandfather was a dentist in town as well as a prominent horse breeder. His great grandfather, George Allen Smith, was a former major league baseball player who later taught high school math in Greenwich.

***Someone better get something out of his wife.....I think its odd that she has nothing to say....if my husband had gone missing or possibly been thrown overboard, I would be all over the news begging for someone to come forward with information....I think she holds the key.....***
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Old July 29th, 2005, 05:33 PM
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I've been reading all this and come to a conclusion on this event. Here's my two cents worth. Stick with an inside stateroom you can't go wrong. You'll never fall overboard and look at all the money you'll save to spend on bingo. At the worst when you decide to run outside you'll just hit your head against the wall.
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If I had to take an inside cabin, I'd want to jump overboard! Outside balcony or don't cruise.
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Old July 30th, 2005, 07:05 PM
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Other sidebar stories have mentioned some very disturbing goings on onboard Royal ships--lots of crime. I think perhaps all ships should be having a beefed up security presence with rules that are enforced. Our last trip on Brililance ( a beautiful ship) in March had alot of very bad & destructive behavior by children. who were not ssupervised & someone should have put a stop to it...someone could very easily have gotten hurt from some of the antics of throwing stuff over the centrum. railings etc. What a terrible honeymoon this turned out to be!
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Old July 31st, 2005, 08:58 PM
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Murder, suicide, or accident? The Brilliance of the Seas bar permitted too much alcohol consumption by the couple. The alcohol was consumed in a public area of the ship after all. The ship bears some responsibility for this tragedy.
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Old July 31st, 2005, 09:38 PM
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No the ship does not! You are responsible for your own behavior! If you drink too much, you have no one to blame but your self. Stop looking to blame someone else for your own problems! That is a cop out!

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This just shows you way too much alcohol can do. During our first cruise, a couple was drinking & fighting so much that Princess put her off at the next Mexico port. Her husband stayed aboard, & was seen drinking heavily during the evening. That night he went missing, & we never heard any more about it. We were late coming back into Los Angeles, as they were searching the ship for him. But the rumor was he was never found. This guy will probably never be found, either.
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Old August 2nd, 2005, 06:33 PM
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What has been in the news isn't exactly what I heard while I was aboard the Brilliance when George Smith went overboard.
We heard that they had been drinking heavily in the disco/casino (and I do believe they were over served) there were 2 men from NY that were hitting on the bride. There was a scene. The bride was found passed out about 4:30 am somewhere on the boat by security (not in the room as stated) and had exstacy in her system (she was later tested). When the house cleaners came to clean the room about 9 am they found blood in the state room. If the wife was in the room sleeping and got up to go to the gym, wouldn't she have seen the blood? I believe they were on the 9th floor (same as I).
Also we heard that the man from NY (the disco scene) was taken off the boat in Naples.
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Old August 2nd, 2005, 07:35 PM
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We enjoyed Brilliance in March but must say there was a great lack when it came to security for even minor things--like children in the adult pool area damaging the sculptures, running amuck...so I can only imagine that they do not also police other bad guest behavior as well.
This case obviously is way out the norm but I think security must be enhanced overall due to the general climate of the world & quite noticeable decline of decorum among pax--esp on Royal-- due to marketing or whatever? some of their "family cruisers "are hearty partiers with offspring in tow-- After this awful incident I imagine some changes will be made--can't afford the bad publicity coming from this...
For all the sleuths out there: Ques--why would someone who drank alot & mght be on drugs head to the gym so early???
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Old August 2nd, 2005, 08:13 PM
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We were on V.O.T.S. 2 years ago when teen boys were running around with there shorts falling down(no underwear on) while there buddies were pick pocketing, I know one of them almost got me. My 9 yr old daughter and the other passengers thought it was funny, not me and security could not comprehend what I was trying to tell them.
Sorry RCCL to many europeans and latins for me, I am sticking with CCL and Princess
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 10:06 AM
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Last night, on tv, it was said that the ship tampered with the "crime" scene. It was said that the ship's security people are not properly trained to secure a scene, and that the FBI was not, evidently, called in a timely maner so that the scene could be preserved. The photo of the big blood smear on the awning was done by a passenger, and the blood was washed off, evidently, before authoriites could photograph it.

The show (Scarborough) interviewed a fellow passenger who said the ship had run amuck. There were allegations that a rape had taken place on that ship, also, that young girls were being stalked (this person's 19 yr old daughter) and "Russians" were taken off the ship by authorities in Naples.

I am on day 4 (aprx 5 hrs of talk time) trying to resolve a problem with RCCL, minor compared to this stuff and the Voyager snafu. I am currently on the hook for an extra $600+ for flight arrangements because RCCL's custom air messed up, but my and my TA's experience on this has been enlightening -- so far with the exception of the dispute resolution supervisor (and that could change today), the people who work for this corporation lie, and lie, and lie, try to point the finger of blame, to the TA, to the passenger, to anyplace except where it lies, with the corporation. This is the most despicable corporation I have EVER had the misfortune of having dealt with. I do not know what is wrong with the RCCL division, as I have never had a problem with Celebrity, but then Celebrity never messed up.
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I don't have a problem with drinking Dave. The ship served the alcohol to the passengers. Passengers are not permitted to bring their own alcohol onboard the vessel. Yes the ship bears some responsibility for this tragedy.
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This would make for a great CSI show. Lot's of twists and turns here.
A crime was commited, evidence tampered with, no body ever found and all done in international waters. Haratio could have fun with this!

Possible plots: Could the "new" bride have killed him? Could he have been a victim of an assualt by a fellow passenger? or even crew member? Could it have been a "russian" mob hit? Was there also a rapist on board? Wild children running a pick pocket scheme?

What a show that would make!
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Mom,

I just hope for the good of the industry and the peace of the family, this "mystery" can be unraveled, but it is something that has everyone talking -- even in my little town.
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Old August 5th, 2005, 10:35 AM
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Momx4..GREAT!!!!!, another CSI fan..to carry on your thought process for a CSI show...Royal Caribbean request CSI's assistance in this matter, so they assemble an all-star CSI team from CSI Miami, New York and Las Vegas headed up by CSI Miami Horatio (since he has experience in international waters out of Miami and cruise ships)..they discover DNA from a hair strand found in the cabin in the sink that they match to the cabin steward, who is discovered to be.....(you fill in the rest)

this has got to be better then the current news coverage of this story, which I think is really a disservice because the news is projecting so much without having a basic understanding of the situation..of course there is more to this story then meets the eye, I just like Momx4 take on this
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Venice.....
as Horatio would say "Often the best answer is right in front of you the whole time".
Nothing makes sense, too many why's. Just hoping for an answer soon!
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Amy Bradley went missing from the Rhapsody of the Seas in 1998, & has never been found. See the story on MSNBC.
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I was watching Fox News last night and they were going to do a story on this subject. They said they had a witness come forward (and was going to be on the show) which provided new insight. I never saw anything though since they couldnt stop talking about the married couple being caught, etc. Has anyone heard anything new on this subject, or is what I saw old news.

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I did not see the interview, but I did read in the captions that there are 3 suspects. 2 Russian men and a teenager from California. Anybody hear anything about them?
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I haven't heard anything other than that about the NY Russian men and the teen from California, as was played on Scarborough, MSNBC, I believe. That piece said there had been an alleged rape on board, perhaps a video of same, involving these same or some of these same individuals. The captain notified the Italian authorities, who took the people off at Naples, presumably because of their involvement in both circumstances. Evidently, the stories of the three aren't jibing, and the bride is no longer a person of interest. The men, evidently, say they escorted the groom back to the room because he was drunk -- bride passed out in a lounge. The cabin neighbor who is a former cop and heard the thud, saw the three leaving down the corridor. That's all I've heard to date.
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and the plot thickens...

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I was on this cruise and briefly met the couple on a ferry into Villefranche - seemed like a very sweet couple. It doesn't seem plausible that she had anything to do with it. The Russians mentioned in earlier posts are the most probable in my opinion. They were on the ferry to the port in Villefranche and at the same casino table gambling with them that night. Everyone at the table was cheering loudly and the couple appeared to be winning - rumor on the ship was that they won a good amount of money that night, so these "suspects" could have been after their cash. It's not hard at all to bring booze on the ship - and the men could've bought drugs at one of the ports and given something to the bride or both of them. I agree that working out in the morning after consuming that much alcohol and possibly drugs is bizarre. It's a very sad story and I hope they figure out who was involved.
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I saw something yesterday that said the bride left the dico with some other guy and never made it back to the cabin. The Russian guys were helping the grrom try to find her and then went back to the cabin. He was banging the furniture around pissed that she wasn't in the cabin. Sounds like a honeymoon gone bad.

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I also heard perhaps money was a motive and the groom may have won in the casino that night where other people knew of his winning. I read that people in nearby cabins heard arguments, a scream and a loud thud which sounded like furniture being thrown around but was probally this poor man being tossed off the balcony. But instead of going into the ocean the man landed on a lifeboat which was covered with blood and someone went through the trouble of climbing down and then tossing the body into the water. I belive the bride was drugged with Ruffies ( the date rape drug) I don't belive it was the fault of the couple who are supposed be from good family's.They may not have been drunk at all but under the influence of what was slipped in their drinks.The Russians were supposed to be put off the ship for bad behavior. The family is very upset with RCL for their lack of concern and attitudes as if it was their fault. More security is needed for sure, more cameras. Also heard that staff members are not screened well and can be criminals. The wife was very pretty and perhaps someone may have wanted her for themselves.
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Last night I heard that the cruise ships do not screen/background check employees, also. It's hard to know what is true and not with today's media, but I'd sure like the answer to that one. Gosh, you could employ a known robber, or rapist if that is the case. NOT GOOD!
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