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Old August 21st, 2005, 10:21 AM
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Dave the Wave,

Saw on Fox News last continued coverage of this story. The claim was made that the FBI was interviewing ALL the passengers on this cruise in an effort to get a profile of the events and look for significant differences in statements made by the main characters in the events of the evening. I wonder if you have been contacted or have thought about contacting them to give a statement concerning the interactions you witnessed? This is a primary investgative tool and even if you do not feel your information is of any value it could indeed be. In example if you saw a specific person interacting with the victum and that person had stated something along the lines that they had never had any contact this would be a conflicting statement which can be used to further interview a subject.

Been watching this story closely for several reasons. Surely my interest is peaked as a frequent cruiser, also as a retired member of law enforcement, and finally because their hometown of Greenich CT is not all that far from us.

Everyday different " versions " come out, probably a mix of of fact and fiction, again why taking statements of other passengers can prove out to be the key down the road. It is really doubtful that this case will truly be solved in the future but one can hope.

Some have expressed disbelief that the wife could not have noted him missing yet it is certainly possible. I mean her alledged version that she thought he had gotten up and gone running or whatever. I was thinking of our schedule when cruising. I hardly ever see my wife during the day, she loves sitting by the pool, I am more the shady spot reading a book and an occassional trip to the casino or an activity. Always get together by late afternoon and have dinner and show etc of course but then I head for cabin and my bed while she enjoys the slot machines until 2 am ro so. Since I sleep like a rock I wouldn't have any idea if and when she came to bed and probably wouldn't take note until I woke up in morning. With her being into exercise as well I might presume at least for the first hour or so that she had quietly slipped out to hit the health club. Guess I would make a great suspect in such a case. Things in such a case are rarely as they first appear.

Cruiseship crimem by the way, from everything I have ever seen, is rarely perpertrated against passengers by crew. Most generally is crew versus crew. The biggest illegal activity I would bet by far is drug smuggling by crew. I know one case where the wine steward fomr an NCL ship is still doing time in Bermuda for such a crime.

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Old August 21st, 2005, 12:22 PM
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George in New York..just curious, what part of upstate New York do you live in ?
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Old August 22nd, 2005, 06:38 AM
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NY City Metro area.

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Old August 22nd, 2005, 10:45 AM
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Googled the incident -- couldn't find all that much after Aug 1st. which I found strange.
Did find a blogger who was on the ship and blogged on July 13th. That was interesting.
Supposedly, the steward found blood on the bed and floor, as well as the balcony. I think the guy was robbed -- the room trashing sounds were looking for the money,imo. The FBI has told the families not to talk. I think the bride was probably drugged, thus the amnesia. Her story is incongruous, but then, we haven't heard it from her -- just others -- and it keeps changing.

Current Affair web's site has an additional picture of the blood on the canopy -- a much different perspective than the close up which made it look like a lot of blood all over the canopy. This new pic looks like a splat of blood near the edge of the canopy. If someone wanted to kill themselves, they would have jumped where there was no canopy beneath them. I think a couple of guys tried to toss him over, and he didn't quite make it, and slid the rest of the way, leaving blood on the side of the ship, and it would appear on the edge of the canopy. The scream which was thought to be a woman's, might have been a witness elsewhere, or Smith's scream, which under the circumstances, could be high pitched. .

The blogger also said that there was supposedly blood down the side of the ship .
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Old August 22nd, 2005, 09:52 PM
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Greta Van Susteren report from tonight's Fox news channel aired a vidoe of an American passenger being interrogated by Turkish police. Greta's report added more mystery to the circumstances of the man's death. The only thing that is clear is that the victim and his wife were intoxicated. The ship's casino manager acted unprofessionally with the victim's wife according to the report, he was "holding her" in an elevator that the groom the wife, the casino manager & others were riding from the casino to go upstairs to the disco.
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Old August 22nd, 2005, 10:57 PM
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I hope this is a wake up call for tighter security on ships someone being tossed overboard should not be possible, more cameras, motion detectors, even safety nets, cause how to prove a murder if there is no body, hey it's the ocean and there are plenty of sharks. Awful, awful, awful case I hope the family files a nice fat lawsuit, because this sort of thing should not be possible.
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Old August 23rd, 2005, 12:48 AM
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Man, I guess these networks had to find something to ramble on about after the Michael Jackson trial ended. Between Fox, MSNBC, and CNN, they're giving this as much airtime as aliens landing in the whitehouse rose garden. And even then, they'd be complaining that the alien ship owners were incompetent criminals who were covering something up, because of course, their parade of 'experts' tells them so. Jeez, give it a rest. Add in the Natalie Holloway case in Aruba and you'd think that these TV anchors have become super crimefighters (only missing capes and masks). But I guess there's not much else important going on in the world.......when is the next huge celebrity trial, I can hardly wait.
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Old August 23rd, 2005, 07:35 AM
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Well the do say that money is root of all evil but.......even so, if a jackpot was won and the guy was that drunk that he needed a escort back to his room why not use a pit boss? or a security staff? why would the casino just let these other guys walk out with him? sounds strange..........

If there was a bunch of noise and then a loud thud, wouldn't the neighbor in the next cabin open his door to see? It's humane nature! and if the body landed on a life boat and not in the ocean, wouldn't the people in the cabin next to the life boat hear the noise and look? That would have been a very loud noise! I would have looked!

If there was a drugged and drunk looking woman brought to a disco, didn't anyone see this? were the bar tenders and staff all blind?

Still too many ?'s.........were is horatio when you need him?
Sounds as if the ships crew was invovled, or at the very least they were all deaf, dumb and very blind...God help us all if thats the case!
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Old August 23rd, 2005, 10:32 AM
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chipmeister,

I must be tuning in at the wrong times -- haven't seen anything about this for several days on the tube, and didn't think Google brought up that much for the first 100 hits -- now Natalie Holloway -- I'm hearing that everytime I turn on the tube. I, personally, think Smith is the superior mystery story simply because there is, or appears to be, so many divergent stories/possible angles, and it exposes interesting sidebars like ship security and jurisdictional issues. As unfortunate as the Holloway story is, for me, it's just teen goes off with wrong guy.

I do agree, however, that there are more important things in the world. I sort of look at these real-life mysteries the same way I look at reading a mystery novel, or men's obsession with sports (ESPN) -- we all need divergence from the world going to hell in a hand basket. BTK, on the other hand, isn't a mystery -- it has been solved, and other than reporting the sentencing outcome, that should have been enough, but the coverage went on, and on, and on.
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Old August 25th, 2005, 10:05 PM
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Problem is with these date rape drugs like Rohipnol and GHB or Liquid G is people can just assume you are drunk, worse if you are drinking cause you might not realize something else is the matter besides a really strong drink. Since I rarely drink I would know if I don't feel right. And yes it happened to me here in Chicago at a bar, I was drinking Cranberry juice and all of a sudden I was stoned. Thank Godness I realized it and the effects were not to stong, but I told people tI knew what happened so they could keep an eye on me anyway. So it can happen anywhere becareful everyone.
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Old August 31st, 2005, 02:40 PM
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I can assure everyone that there is no way this guy just happen to fall over the balcony. My wife and I were also on this curise, also on our honeymoon, and had an outside cabin just a deck below and a few cabins forward on the port (left side). From our cabin we could clearly see the lifeboat canopy where he landed. But of course all the evidence had already been cleaned up by the time we heard about it. We did hear that there was a lot of dirinking and gambling going on and we later learned, after the curise, that he had $50,000 cash with him. There's a motive for you. Just yesterday we received a letter from the FBI wanting to know if we had any information that would be of help. I think they just need to get these three guys to talk. I'm sure they know exactly what happened. And I just don't understand how the wife could have missed all the blood, not missed her husband, and went to the gym and worked out. I think she's hiding something.
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Old August 31st, 2005, 02:46 PM
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The whole ordeal was on "A Current Affair" last night (check time and station in your area) Of course I was so busy doing other things that by the time I remembered, it was almost over. They said they will continue to do updates.
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Old September 17th, 2005, 01:18 AM
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Something is very fishy about the death of George Smith.
Just saw "Dateline" tonight and they had a 1 hour story about it. When the wife was found at about 8:30am, she was still wearing the clothes from the night before. First it said that the wife had a spa appointment , then it said she was in a gym. Doesn't she change clothes?
What about the people from the other 2 cabins. One was a cop. The people reported loud noises like a fight. The ship security had been called to investigate the noise but didn't enter the room. This sounds like a cover-up
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Old September 17th, 2005, 08:37 AM
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According to the Dateline show, the wife isnt talking, but the FBI doesnt consider her a suspect. They believe the FBI knew of her whereabouts during the questionable time, and they also believe to know that the casino manager and other dealer went to their separate cabins alone that night (surveilence video??) despite everyone saying that they saw the wife leave with the casino manager. They interviewed a RCi spokesperson who explained that the sea pass/key card logs in everytime you use it. They seem to be pointing the finger at Josh, the guy with the bootleg video of his interrogation in Turkey (his parents made him sneak in a video camera to record it). According to the witnesses next door, they heard 3 men leave the room, and one remained behind. Who that was is the big mystery. They heard at least 2 of the guys leaving talking, and they had accents (the Russians we assume). Josh claims he was in the bathroom but didnt see anything on the way out. So how did he know that they put George in bed and removed his shoes. The other thing that points to Josh is how hes pointing fingers at everyone else (mainly the casino manager) in his bootleg video when they only ask about him. Makes him look suspiscious. As for the blood stain-the guy said it looks like George had laid there for a little while as it looks like blood pooled (although salt spray may have interferred with it). Then he either came to and crawled/walked the wrong way (overboard) or someone pushed him off. Youd think there would be footprints or something in the blood showing a second person with him (my CSI instincts kicking in here-but Im no CSI!). They think that eventually the story will come out in full light. Until then, they arent ruling out accidental, but are leaning towards foul play because of the commotion.

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