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The show will feature the President of the line and the widow of the man who is missing.

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Thanks for the heads up. I set it up to record. It will be interesting to see who said what, considering that I've heard conflicting stories of what the bride said as to compared to what the cruiseline said.

Example: Bride said she was put off on a foreign port. Cruiseline said she was put off there at her own request and was given money and clothing.

Should definately be an interesting show!!!
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I have my VCR setup to tape it also.
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Just watched the show.I still say she is hiding something.
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Saw both interviewed on other shows.

I've got this gut feeling something is really NOT right with the wife and I just can't shake it!

Yes, the circumstances are very strange and unusual, and so far I think RCCI has handled the situation well. They are in the line of fire, so to speak, and they will not be able to please everyone no matter what they do or don't do.

For example: On one cable talk show, a RCCI representive was questioned relentlessly on why they took pictures of the victim's cabin before the police arrived. Personally, I think it was an excellent idea. RCCI made it clear that they did not touch anything or let anyone else touch anything...in fact, they closed up the cabin, not even letting the victims wife back in. But this one interviewer kept making a major issue of that one incident, letting all other issues slide by!

Are we heading for a time in the near future when there will have to be armed guards or private policemen on board every cruise liner to protect us from other vacationers, or heaven help us, the staff? Are we going to need a CSI team on board?? Sure hope not!
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Okay, I am just starting to watch the show now.... will give an opinion when I see the whole thing off of my TIVO.

Did this woman just say she thought her husband had slept in a friend's room? Who does that on their honeymoon.. or heck... ever? My husband needs to be in the room with me at nights end. Heck, he had ONE beer and I got up out of the bed and sat with him on the balcony until he got up and came into the cabin. He was p/oed at the time, but I refused to let any chances happen with him drinking anything on that balcony at night.

Very strange so far.

Watching more..... the wife says she can't remember anything..
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What was said of the three young Russian men from NY? They were already in trouble, then this happened and then they were accused of gang rape (sexual assault) two days later. They were kicked off the ship at the next port after that. Why were they not held in the brig until arrival back in the home port? I think they had something to do with it. The drunken slut of a bride probably was in another cabin with some other guy while it happened, then couldn;t find her own cabin and passed out in the hall way. I have see that happen before. I had one throw up and pass out in the hall outside my cabin once since I wouldn't let her in.
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Thanks for the heads up. I set it up to record. It will be interesting to see who said what, considering that I've heard conflicting stories of what the bride said as to compared to what the cruiseline said.

Example: Bride said she was put off on a foreign port. Cruiseline said she was put off there at her own request and was given money and clothing.

Should definately be an interesting show!!!

Still watching, she is estranged from her in-laws now. What a sad story.
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I have my VCR setup to tape it also.
It's interesting so far... but a bit confusing...
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Just finished watching the show. The wife had her 15 minutes of fame, but is should have only been 30 seconds. She was barely coherent. She made all sorts of vague claims, and jumped from subject to subject like crazy. She kept talking about her "forensics expert", but never offered any information about whether or not this expert examined the cabin.

Looks to me like she's trying to use the court of public opinion to get a huge settelement out of RCI.

Do you suppose RCI will cancel their subscription to Crown & Anchor magazine?
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For example: On one cable talk show, a RCCI representive was questioned relentlessly on why they took pictures of the victim's cabin before the police arrived. Personally, I think it was an excellent idea. RCCI made it clear that they did not touch anything or let anyone else touch anything...in fact, they closed up the cabin, not even letting the victims wife back in. But this one interviewer kept making a major issue of that one incident, letting all other issues slide by!

Are we heading for a time in the near future when there will have to be armed guards or private policemen on board every cruise liner to protect us from other vacationers, or heaven help us, the staff? Are we going to need a CSI team on board?? Sure hope not!

Okay, this isn't about armed guards, I doubt those are needed on every cruise ship the same way I don't think everyone in Aruba is under threat of murder. Any time humans are involved, there's an element of danger.

What the bride keeps saying (Still watching) is that she "can't remember" anything. That's a possibility.... if they were in the casino partying and looking like they had cash, they could have both been slipped something.

But I still think she's hiding something, her affect never seems grieved that he's gone. The more I hear her talk about being on "the other side of the boat"(she hasn't said with whom) and her thinking someone "put him to bed."; not to mention her not being freaked out that he wasn't there in the morning, the more I'm wondering if what she's not hiding isn't an open marriage or a swinging situation. I know it's conjecture on my part, BUT... she certainly can not afford to have it come out that either of them were with someone else on their honeymoon and not look like a suspect.
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What was said of the three young Russian men from NY? They were already in trouble, then this happened and then they were accused of gang rape (sexual assault) two days later. They were kicked off the ship at the next port after that. Why were they not held in the brig until arrival back in the home port? I think they had something to do with it. The drunken slut of a bride probably was in another cabin with some other guy while it happened, then couldn;t find her own cabin and passed out in the hall way. I have see that happen before. I had one throw up and pass out in the hall outside my cabin once since I wouldn't let her in.
OOOO WEEE! The President of RCI is on now.. and he's coming up a little messy too. He claims that there was no cover-up, nor any painting over of the blood. The bride is claiming that the crime scene was not preserved because it was called an accident "prematurely" instead of investigated for homicide. She is blaming the captain for making that call. He is saying that they were cleared by the Turkish Government and that's why they went forward.

She's asking "why didn't they keep the ship in Turkey and interview all of the passengers?' Come on, that's a public relations nightmare. I hate to put it that way, but really. You pay a large amount of money for a vacation and leave feeling like a suspect, not to mention miss the rest of your ports? Don't say this board wouldn't have been lit up with complaints like a grumpy Christmas tree. RCI is after money and repeat customers. I do believe the line covered it up though. Heck, if it wasn't for cruisemates I wouldn't learn about most people overboard, it's just not published or talked about after it happens by the lines.

But no, no mention of those suspects yet. I will wait and listen some more. The whole thing is weird.
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Just finished watching the show. The wife had her 15 minutes of fame, but is should have only been 30 seconds. She was barely coherent. She made all sorts of vague claims, and jumped from subject to subject like crazy. She kept talking about her "forensics expert", but never offered any information about whether or not this expert examined the cabin.

Looks to me like she's trying to use the court of public opinion to get a huge settelement out of RCI.

Do you suppose RCI will cancel their subscription to Crown & Anchor magazine?
I see the President just said they had no suspicion about the wife. He is saying that the Turkish authorities cleared the entire scene. Where is her forensics expert?
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She's angry, she says they sent her a room bill when she got home. She says she wasn't excorted by security anywhere and that she had to make her own arrangements to go home too. She wanted RCI to accomodate this.

BUT... if the captain is saying it was an accident and not a murder, then the safety issue would fall back on the people involved in the accident. Becaused that's not a security issue on the part of the cruiseline.

Now she is asking why he didn't send everyone home on the ship and keep the ship docked.
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She has hired Dr. Henry Lee to examine the room on Jan 23rd. There has been a stated attributed to him as "I (he) will be able to say exactly what happened after seein the room". Then he found out that the carpet has since been removed so now not so sure what he will be able to find.

I feel either she really has no idea or knows something but won't say.

With the ship not being in US waters when this all happenned then really there is nothing that the FBI can or could do other than talk with the Turkish officals. An I for one don't think they should do more.
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I too watched her on Oprah and while too, she woke up and he wasn't there, she then went to her scheduled spa appointment and thats where they first contacted her with the fact, that her newlywed husband is missing. That just also seemed strange to me, I would of thought you'd try to locate him before going off to an appointment?? Is it just me?
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She has hired Dr. Henry Lee to examine the room on Jan 23rd. There has been a stated attributed to him as "I (he) will be able to say exactly what happened after seein the room". Then he found out that the carpet has since been removed so now not so sure what he will be able to find.

I feel either she really has no idea or knows something but won't say.

With the ship not being in US waters when this all happenned then really there is nothing that the FBI can or could do other than talk with the Turkish officals. An I for one don't think they should do more.

I agree with you, they weren't in US waters. If anything, she should have been directed to the US Embassy who I am sure had contacts which could have helped her better. I'm not sure that happened though, no one's mentioned it.


Okay, I really feel for her but....

what is it with this attitude that some travelers have that while in another country, the country they are in should stop everything they are doing and wait for the American law enforcement? It's very arrogant to think that there are NO compentent law enforcement officials in another country.

I think the American Embassy was the place to begin.
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I think it says something about her that his parents won't even talk to her.
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I too watched her on Oprah and while too, she woke up and he wasn't there, she then went to her scheduled spa appointment and thats where they first contacted her with the fact, that her newlywed husband is missing. That just also seemed strange to me, I would of thought you'd try to locate him before going off to an appointment?? Is it just me?

NO! It's not just you. This is the action that makes me think she was used to him not being there in the morning and that they were swinging. What newlywed woman on her honeymoon wakes up without her husband in the bed and goes to the spa without seeking him? I'll bet this is what estranged his parents.

The fact that she was so calm about him not being there this soon into their marriage is the biggest alarm bell for me. The fact that she went to the SPA and not looking for him is alarm #2.
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I don't understand how she even got up to go to the Spa at 8:00 a.m. when she was so out of it and had to be wheelchaired to her room only 4 hours before spa time.
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,ALL I CAN TELL,AND KNOW IS FROM THIS COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION,SHE AINT GOING TO WIN NOTHING,FROM ANY JURY,NO WAY.
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I think it says something about her that his parents won't even talk to her.
I think that's weird too. :-)
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I don't understand how she even got up to go to the Spa at 8:00 a.m. when she was so out of it and had to be wheelchaired to her room only 4 hours before spa time.
Right, she's perfectly coherent just 4 hours later?
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If they settle out of court she might get something.
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I don't believe in the "Swingers" theory. I do believe someone was fooling around and somewhere she shouldn't have been. They had reportedly had a fight in the casino earlier. I don't think they were openly swingers, just a matter of alcohol and infidelity on one or both parties. She was mad at him still from the night before and didn't care where he was and went to the spa. She probably didn't push him overboard, the Russian guys did and ransacked or robbed his cabin. She was with someone else, somewhere else in the ship. Some reports had her hanging all over someother guy in the casino or the disco. Maybe even a staff member.

When does the movie come out? We will see this one on Miami CSI next season for sure.
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I have been following this and it stinks to high heaven and when we find out the real deal the cable programs will be embarrassed for their assine coverage

Dave the Wave..will Brittany play the bride in the HBO movie and will you double both as the groom and the technical consultant if they use the SOS for the shipboard scenes ?
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I think it is very interesting that the inlaws won't talk to the widow!

There has to be an under current of something there, otherwise the family would all be together in this tragedy. Especially since she was a new bride.
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I saw the Oprah show and it was not very coherent.
I have to wonder why they would be seperated at all considering it was during their honeymoon.
Also wonder how she managed to make her Spa treatment on time considering how late she was up the night before.
She purposefully mentioned the cabin number as though it was important.
It was the 9th floor, something like 9068........anybody remember the exact cabin number?
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i have 2 questions: why don't we here about the fbi talking to the 3 or 4 russian guys who were with george smith that evening and why wasn't jennifer hagel smith given a blood test while she was being questioned by authorities. this would tell us a lot about what really happened. bob
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She kept complaining about having to pay her room bill.She and george ran that bill up.Also i wish we all could recieve uor bill later in the mail,rather then having to settle up on the last day.
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