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I would prefer that there be NO suggested dining room dress codes 5 2.02%
I would prefer there be 2 Formal nights, and the remaining nights casual 56 22.58%
I would prefer all nights be casual, but no shorts allowed 40 16.13%
I would prefer the dress codes remain as they are, but be enforced 124 50.00%
I would prefer to dress as I please throughout the cruise 23 9.27%
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Old May 12th, 2006, 12:14 PM
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On our recent Radiance of the Seas cruise I noticed many people in the dining room dressing pretty much as they pleased.
And ship's staff pretty much accepting it.

So... is it time for the cruise lines to abandon the dress codes for the dining room?
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to me if there is going to be a dress code it needs to be enforced, but I prefer a relaxed one. Of course I do not want to see shorts or swim suits in the dining room at night: Jeans are another subject altogether. I am on the fence there. Of course no tank tops and T shirts should be in good condition and tasteful. I see nothing wrong with a more dressy code for one or two restaurants. Regardless please cruise lines: enforce the policy. NMNita
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Regardless of what the dress code is i feel that it should be enforced.
It seems to me from reading these boards that the vast majority of cruisers do adhere to the dress code on all lines. Its those choice few who choose to "buck the system" that seem to stir things up. If its only a few, why are the cruise lines so afraid? Why aren't they catering to the vast majority????
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I have always followed the dress code, but I would prefer all nights casual.
with shorts and caps not permitted in the dining room.

Since a lot of cruisers do like to get their portraits taken, perhaps the dress code on two nights of a seven night cruise should be formal/smart casual. You could possibly add that to your list of options.
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We always follow the dress code. It would be nice if the lines would enforce the codes in place.

We wear jeans to the ship but do change for dinner and the jeans don't come out again until disembarkment.

We are looking for a cruise for Dec and one we like is on NCL, well I told hubby that they don't have true formal night and he surprised me by saying he kind of enjoys dressing up.
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I think it would be sad if the cruiselines would relax the dress code for the dining rooms to suit the few rebels wqho are determined to dress "their way". Since the dress expectations are clearly stated in materials we receive from the cruiseline with our travel documents, and are also stated in the website information, it's not as though people don't know what is expected.
Being on a cruise is an escape from the ordinary. Jeans, shorts, scruffy t-shirts are the "ordinary". So why not leave them at home, and play the part of a cruiser. Dress for the occasion and the location. It's very special, and happily, the majority of passengers see that and dress accordingly.
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Kuki:

You are assuming seven night cruises; probably Caribbean. Not all cruises have two formal nights; some have zero, one, three, or more.

My preference is for formal where it makes sense (does not make sense in tahiti) and informal (men wear coat) for the majority of the rest of the cruise. I have been on a few country club casual cruises and they are also nice; as long as standards are enforced.
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I would like to see the dress code enforced... but no formal nights.
That is why we like Oceania's country club casual
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I would like to see the current dress code enforced...

But having said that...I might also mention that not all cruise lines draw the same types of passengers. Each cruise line offers their passengers a somewhat different cruise expectation.

Carnival: Family Fun, Singles Fun, young couples Fun. We get the idea: Casual Fun

RCCI: Families, Young business types, newly married. Fun, GAP casual

Celebrity: Upscale, smart casual, semi-formal

HAL: Upscale, smart casual, veteran cruisers...formal

And so on.....

Perhaps RCCI and Carnival passengers are more comfortble in casual wear for dining, and they would appreciate the relaxed dress code.

But on cruise lines like Celebrity and HAL the current dress code should be enforced.

I would hate to see all cruise lines change to a casual dress code for dining. At least Celebrity and HAL should hold the line.
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I would like to see dress codes enforced by all cruise lines that have semi-formal and formal nights.

I think people know better than to dress inappropriately. I also think that if all the cruise lines stated their dress codes clearly and then enforced those codes firmly, there would be a lot less confusion and a lot more compliance.

What I would REALLY like is to have ALL cruise line personnel who can effect the enforcement read this thread. Can you make that happen, Kuki?

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What about after dinner??? On our last cruise it seemed that at least half of the people changed back to casual after their dinner. I really don't have a problem with it, but was just curious about how people feel about that.

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What about after dinner??? On our last cruise it seemed that at least half of the people changed back to casual after their dinner. I really don't have a problem with it, but was just curious about how people feel about that.

I advocate the same policy -- enforce whatever dress code is in effect. If the cruise line's stated policy is that "the prescribed eveing attire applies thorughout the ship" or "the prescribed eveing attire applies thorughout the ship except in designated casual areas." then it should be enforced everywhere.

This is actually fairly easy.

>> Staff stationed at the doors to the showrooms to assist disabled passengers and others who may require assistance should also enforce dress codes. ("I'm sorry, sir/ma'am, but this evening is formal. If you would like to change, we'll be glad to admit you." -- and back if up by having security ready to escort offenders out fo the showroom if necessary.)

>> Bar servers should refuse service to anybody who does not have the prescribed evening attire. ("I'm sorry, sir/ma'am, but this evening is formal. If you would like to change, we'll be glad to serve you when you return." -- and, again, back it up by having security available to escort offenders out of the affected lounge.

>> Secourty should be be ready to escort offenders out of the dining room, if necessary, too.

Whenever it becomes necessary for security to escort somebody out of a venue, the chief of security should meet immediately with the offender(s) to resolve the situation. If the offender(s) are obstinate, they leave the ship in the next port -- end of discussion.

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I have to agree, I think the cruiselines need to establish a workable dress code that they can and will enforce. I still like the idea of the "formal" evenings, but will like to see them do away with the semi formal and keep the rest casual. It may be time to include a nice pair of jeans for acceptable dress for a casual evening.
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Trouble with the "nice" jeans routine is people push that button to the max these days, which is very evident in business casual office attire, using Abbott Labs as an example.

I think dress codes should stay as they are but be enforced by the cruise lines. I don't really care what other people do but always wonder why people change clothes after dinner when it says suggested dress for the evening.

I don't think dressing nice for dinner is difficult, I rather enjoy it myself. I know people love their jeans and casual to them means jeans! :-)

I wear jeans but never when I'm traveling, that's just me. I don't wear jeans out to dinner at home either. If I'm going out to eat at a place that has several courses, nice linens/table settings, I don't wear jeans.
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I have to tell you, formal dressing for dinner stresses me out! It's the one reason, we have never cruised. I finally broke down and decided that we should do a cruise to Alaska as I have heard so many wonderful things about it.

We live in Central California and don't have occasion to dress formally. We go downtown for dinner and go to the theater. These are not formal events in our area. We dress appropriately, but not formally. We don't have formal clothing, and don't really relish the thought of having to get some for a one week cruise. My husband has a suit, A SUIT, ONE! He has worn it very few times and lucky for him, he hasn't gained any weight and can still wear it. We usually pack light when we vacation and it looks like cruising is not for light packers.

We don't intend to break the dress code, (mostly out of fear), but it would be much easier and more comfortable for us if the cruise lines dropped the formal nights.
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It seems that almost everyone is in agreement about one thing and that is if there is going to be a dress requirement, whatever it may be, then the cruiselines should have the testicles to enforce it.
If they say long pants and button down shirt for every night of the cruise--- fine. But don't start allowing some folks to show up in flipflops, a tanktop and a bandana around their head. If there is a requirement that you have to be naked in the dining room, fine--- but don't start allowing someone to show up in a tuxedo.

Loud and clear to the cruiselines--- arrive at whatever you want to arrive at as far as dress for the dining room but then stand behind what you do.
Does anyone from the cruiselines really read these boards and if so, I challenge someone from any cruiseline to have the backbone to state why you have a dress code and not have the backbone to respect the majority of your customers wishes and enfoce same. WELL----- we are waiting---- Carnival, RCCL, Celebrity, Princess--- anyone with the stuff to step up to the plate with an answer ??
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I personally like to have a "choice" in cruise lines and dress. Oceana has all CC casual, NCL has Freestyle and other lines have traditional but whatever the dress is the cruise lines need to SET IT, COMMUNICATE IT and ENFORCE IT.

It may be your vacation but it is also the vacation of the other people who are on the ship and have decided to adhere to the dress code. The tone of the venue and the evening is set by the dress. While it may seem trivial it has a significant bearing on a large number of people who do adhere to the guidelines. The cruise lines have an obligation to enforce those guidelines and maintain the atmosphere they have set with guidelines.

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Here we go on the topic with the most controversy and we definitely need the enforcement of all dress codes which speaks to the entire cruise and not to just the formal nites. The cruise lines have provided us with many options to eating in the dining room and there is no excuse why all can not dress accordingly period.If you do not like the rules which are written try another type vacation requiring no dress ups or another cruise line with casual only.Follow the rules and we would not be having this topic over and over.
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We happen to enjoy the formal nights. but to keep it short and sweet,
the crusie lines should either enforce "their" own rules, or get rid of the rule.
There are so many places to eat that there really is no excuse not to follow
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I would personally prefer one formal night and the rest casual. Even on the casual nights though I tend to dress in something nice but comfortable. I rarely get to dress up at home and therefore it is something I look forward to.

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What about after dinner??? On our last cruise it seemed that at least half of the people changed back to casual after their dinner. I really don't have a problem with it, but was just curious about how people feel about that.

I advocate the same policy -- enforce whatever dress code is in effect. If the cruise line's stated policy is that "the prescribed eveing attire applies thorughout the ship" or "the prescribed eveing attire applies thorughout the ship except in designated casual areas." then it should be enforced everywhere.

This is actually fairly easy.

>> Staff stationed at the doors to the showrooms to assist disabled passengers and others who may require assistance should also enforce dress codes. ("I'm sorry, sir/ma'am, but this evening is formal. If you would like to change, we'll be glad to admit you." -- and back if up by having security ready to escort offenders out fo the showroom if necessary.)

>> Bar servers should refuse service to anybody who does not have the prescribed evening attire. ("I'm sorry, sir/ma'am, but this evening is formal. If you would like to change, we'll be glad to serve you when you return." -- and, again, back it up by having security available to escort offenders out of the affected lounge.

>> Secourty should be be ready to escort offenders out of the dining room, if necessary, too.

Whenever it becomes necessary for security to escort somebody out of a venue, the chief of security should meet immediately with the offender(s) to resolve the situation. If the offender(s) are obstinate, they leave the ship in the next port -- end of discussion.

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Tell us what you REALLY think, Norm !

Seriously, how are all the staff going to decide what's formal? Is a prom dress formal, but silk pants and a "sparkly" blouse, not? Will they have pictures of formal dress to go by and to show us how to dress?

What about the people who opt out of formal night and eat at the buffet? Are they not allowed to go to the lounges or the shows unless they dress up?

If they throw the "offenders" off the ship at the next port, are they also going to throw off the people who drink too much, smoke in non-smoking areas, let their children run wild and get into the adult hot tubs, save seats, etc., etc..

If so, you will be on the ship alone !

I say enforce the dress code in the dining room and let the rest go.
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Just back from Carnival Celebration. Dress codes should be enforced. Period. No flip flops, shorts, baseball caps for dinner PERIOD.
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I think the reason cruise lines don't enforce dress codes is because they are afraid of losing business. If so, why have dress codes at all?

Again, I surely wish that the powers-that-be at ALL the cruise lines would read this thread.

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On one of our cruises we went up to the Horizon Court in our casual attire and had a nice formal dinner night there. That was our choice.
We dressed for the second one, as we were going to be eating with friends in the Dining Room. That was fine and we took pictures of each other.
We stayed in formal attire all evening on one cruise but by the end of the night, we were quite uncomfortable.
So, on average, we tend to change after the formal dinner, as we don't get the professional pictures taken and usually end up in the Casino.
Last year, one of the couples at our table "forgot" it was formal night but came to the table anyway. He was wearing a collared shirt and she was dressed all right. It didn't detract from our group's evening.
I just saw pictures of my friend's recent cruise. She and the other gal were dressed up for formal night. The men were in shirts and ties, no jackets. I don't even think my friend's brother was wearing a tie!

My final answer--keep formal nights formal, for early cocktail parties and dinner at least. After that, I think the choice can be made individually concerning staying formally dressed. Casual should be allowed all other times, but shirts should be collared. Clean, good quality jeans should be allowed-with a belt. Shoes should be required-no tank tops or shorts. In other words, it would be nice if we were all neat and clean for dinner.
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Thank You, Ruby! I agree with you 100%. We'll be on Alaska-NB in a couple of weeks (first trip) and feel the same about the extra packing just for formal night. The trip should be about being comfortable and relaxing, and not about whether you have appropriate formal attire so as not to offend fellow diners. For us, the trip is going to be more about the scenery.
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if you can not comply find another type vacation.You can take the ferry system to alaska and rest assure you will not have to worry about dress code.Ther are numerous ways to go on vacation and if you have chosen the cruise line then comply with their written rules period.
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If you want to dress like an idiot (and consequently have most people think you are an idiot) then dress as you want. I personally don't care if someone shows up in shorts for dinner.

I don't own a tux, will never own a tux, and personally think if you wear a tux on a ship you are going a little overboard (pun intended).....
Half the guys wearing tuxes are Wal-Mart greeters anyways.

And we don't need "soup nazis" to enforce the code either. Relax.
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