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You will all probably disagree with me, but I wish they would change the formal night structure on cruise ships as follows:

On a 4 day cruise - no formal nights. This allows for plenty of time to enjoy the ship and the ports without worry about being back to the ship in time to get ready.

(There are none of 3 day cruises)

Actually only formal nights on days when there is only cruising and obviously not the last night.

If you want to have more than one formal night, perhaps only a 9+ days of cruising or longer when there is intermittent days at sea.

What does everyone think???

Let me know - whatever your opinion is - amybe we could start a discussion.

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We had a formal night on our 3 day cruise. I don't know why people make a big deal of it. If you don't want to dress up, you just eat in the Windjammer. I really don't know why people in our country are just plain lazy & want what they want. Maybe the rest of the world is right & we are too arrogant as a nation.

Women wearing a plain skirt & top should not be making a big deal of it. You have to dress this way for work - its the dress code. Hence, same thing for a cruise line.

If people don't like dressing up - either don't cruise, eat elsewhere or just plain go to some island for a week.
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I personally don't mind dressing up for formal night. My hubby on the other hand doesn't really care for it but he does it. We are not in the habit of dressing up to go out to dinner so it's a treat for me. 1/2 on a 7 day cruise isn't too bad.

Oh yeah..... I don't have to dress up to come to work. Today, it's capris and a knit top and Clarks Flip Flops... And I am dressed up!!!
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All I did was ask an opinion about Formal Nights. I love Formal Nights,
however, my husband is a bear when it comes to dressing up!

I actually have had to cancel shore excursions so that he had enough time to get ready and dress!

It is just on my particular cruise, there is really no opportunity for a second formal night without disturbing the balance of seeing a port that I have never visited before and would have like to see.

I do take great exception to Cassandra's attitude. I am a teacher
and dress professionally every day for my students. (I lead by example)

I would also like the opportunity to sit back and relax when I am not teaching.

Cassandra, do you believe that I live in a hovel along with all of the working democrats who make wealthy republicans laugh all the way to the bank? I am offended by your remarks and would appreciate an apology not just for me but also for other hard-working crusiers.

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Default It was really only a question...

All I did was ask an opinion about Formal Nights. I love Formal Nights,
however, my husband is a bear when it comes to dressing up!

I actually have had to cancel shore excursions so that he had enough time to get ready and dress!

It is just on my particular cruise, there is really no opportunity for a second formal night without disturbing the balance of seeing a port that I have never visited before and would have like to see.

I do take great exception to Cassandra's attitude. I am a teacher
and dress professionally every day for my students. (I lead by example)

I would also like the opportunity to sit back and relax when I am not teaching.

Cassandra, do you believe that I live in a hovel along with all of the working democrats who make wealthy republicans laugh all the way to the bank? I am offended by your remarks and would appreciate an apology not just for me but also for other hard-working crusiers.

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Well put Diane, Yes you do deserve an apology. These boards are meant as a resourse for information and opinions regarding the topics. This is not the place to flame other people.
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If people don't like dressing up - either don't cruise, eat elsewhere or just plain go to some island for a week.
well said....

Some people actually like formal night(s) some don't. That's why they give us choices....
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There was no personal attack there. Cassandra was voicing her opinion as well. She didn't attack Diane, or anyone else.

Just because she was expressing a different view point, in a manner you might not agree with, does not mean she was attacking anyone.

She was speaking in generalities, so no reason to take the comments personally.... whether you agree with her viewpoint or not.
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Diane: Here's a solution for you to have plenty of time to get
ready for formal nights. Eat at the second sitting....not only for
formal nights, but it is so relaxing to be able to spend that last
hour in port, or the late afternoon or early evening at the pool
when most have gone back to their cabins to get ready for
early seating at dinner.

Try it sometime, and you might like it as much as we do. No need
to get hungry either between lunch and dinner...just get a snack at
any of the numerous places on boad.
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We had a formal night on our 3 day cruise. I don't know why people make a big deal of it. If you don't want to dress up, you just eat in the Windjammer. I really don't know why people in our country are just plain lazy & want what they want. Maybe the rest of the world is right & we are too arrogant as a nation.

Women wearing a plain skirt & top should not be making a big deal of it. You have to dress this way for work - its the dress code. Hence, same thing for a cruise line.

If people don't like dressing up - either don't cruise, eat elsewhere or just plain go to some island for a week.
Right on Cassandra, I agree 100%
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Diane, personally, I wish they'd have twice as many formal nights as they do, or add a couple of RCL's smart casual and then enforce it, if the men aren't wearing a jacket, turn 'em around, or have jackets on a rack to pick one out. JMHO, YMMV. I'm actually looking forward to having 4 formal nights on my upcoming B2B next April, already planning my wardrobe.
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love formal nites and dressing up in beautiful gowns. on a seven day cruise there should be 3 or more formal nites.

my boys however hate it but by now they don't complain anymore they used to complain when they first started to cruise now they know the routine.

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I totally understand what you are saying Diane and I would be happy with one day on longer cruises. Lou's option is a great idea but the one time I did have late seating, it made too long of a day for me. I'm normally up at 6 or 7 and am not a napper. I keep saying the next cruise is the one I go totally casual but it hasn't happened yet. I enjoy the dining room expereince too much to pass it up - even if I have to put on that silly suit.
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I'm a SAHM and I LOVE formal nights! Give me a chance to dress up for once!!!!
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Believe it or not, my DH loves formal nights !!
Normally, he's a jeans or shorts and t-shirt type of guy, but he says
formal nights, with all the pictures and atmosphere, gives him a chance to feel good about himself.
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I agree with Cassandra, I love formal nights. I can go the mall or the grocery store and see people dressed in shorts or ripped jeans and t shirts. I really don't want to see that at dinner on my cruise. I think of cruising as a special occasion, a chance to dress up. Save the shorts for poolside, don't bring them to the dining room.
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I think it is time to explain why I even decided to bring up this topic about a change to the formal night structure.

I do not advocate wearing shorts/jeans and/or tank tops into the dining room. That is certainly not the place for them!
(Even I know that, although I am a teacher (service person).

There is a time and place for everything.

This is what it was all about...

I love formal nights and wish they would make them 5 nights out of 7 on a 7 day cruise; however, my husband is just the opposite.
We have a ratio in our home: Bob: 3 hours to get ready/Diane 1 hour
or whatever time remains after Bob finishes.

In order to have the necessary time to prepare for a formal night,
I have to cut into something else...unless we are "at sea".
This means, because I am a novice cruiser, there are ports that I would love to have the time to investigate, but, alas, cannot because of the time constraints to make certain Bob is ready and not rushed.

I realize that the choice is ours. We could skip the formal night and just hang out elsewhere, but, if you can believe this, Bob loves to get dressed up!

This is a special cruise for me on 9/9/07. Bob and I celebrate our 25th wedding anniversary. We both want to enjoy every moment, so I know that I have to cut short my excursions to either Grand Cayman or Cozumel. (RCL actually does not know when the second formal night is,
they will not know till the week before...if that!)

I do not want to reinvent the wheel! Or to use the tried and true,
{"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!) (Having to use the word ain't is, for me,
analagous to nails on a blackboard...but I digress)

My sincerest apologies to anyone who thought that, even for one second,
I was attempting to change cruising as we have come to know and love it!

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As a serious cruiser myself, I love that you and your DH love
cruising and hold the traditions dear.

However, after many years of both my DH and myself dressing
up for work, I'm open to smart casual cruises. We tolerate
formal nights as we do not want to miss the dining room on those
nights. Truth be told, we've never had dinner in Windjammer.

I'd like to see RCI designate some of their cruises
smart casual for 7 nights, like Windstar and some of the other
upper scale cruise lines.

This would also allow us to pack lighter...no suit or sportcoat
for him. Tho, he's rented a tux many times, just to lighten the
load and comply with the formal ambiance.

Guess I'm torn.....I like both venues. One thing is for sure, tho, if
they would have 5 formal nights, you'd lose us.

We've lived in Florida for 6 years, and it's perfectly acceptable
to go to a very nice restaurant with the men in nice sport shirt.
Many of us appreciate this casual way of enjoying a very nice
atmosphere.

Have fun crusing...we know we will!!

PS: I still think 2nd seating is the answer to your problem.
It works for us!!

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Lou,

Thank you for your response. Late seating is the best option for all formal nights, however, once again, there is a fly in the ointment.

I recently shed about 75 lbs and have come to realize that unless I want to put it back on in a hurry, I have to watch what time I eat.

Also, Bob has a stomach condition that prevents him from eating late...
thus, main seating.

I have never been in such a "catch 22".

Oh, well, life just goes cruising along.

PS - If they had 5 formal nights out of 7, my favorite port-of-call would be Oviedo, Florida - that is where my home is.

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Diane, Why not dine at Chops and/or Portofino on formal night(s) which are excellent and IMO superior to the dining room if you don't want to go to the Windjammer? You could probably get away with smart casual there.

No need to apologize, different people have different opinons, I don't think you offended anyone, and they probably didn't mean to offend you.
Dont sweat the small stuff. Have a great cruise, and Happy 25th Anniversary!

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You will all probably disagree with me, but I wish they would change the formal night structure on cruise ships as follows:

On a 4 day cruise - no formal nights. This allows for plenty of time to enjoy the ship and the ports without worry about being back to the ship in time to get ready.

(There are none of 3 day cruises)

Actually only formal nights on days when there is only cruising and obviously not the last night.

If you want to have more than one formal night, perhaps only a 9+ days of cruising or longer when there is intermittent days at sea.

What does everyone think???

Let me know - whatever your opinion is - amybe we could start a discussion.
As I see it, there are two principles here.

>> 1. From a perspective of branding, a cruise line's product should be consistent across all ships and itineraries. Thus, a cruise line that retains the tradition of "formal" evenings should retain that tradition on ALL of its cruises, regardless of length. Of course, it's natural that longer cruises will have more "formal" evenings than shorter cruises.

>> 2. From a perspective of maritime etiqutte, it's customary to have "formal" evenings for the Captain's official "welcome aboard" on the second evening and for the Captain's official "farewell" on the penultimate evening. Thus, these evenings ordinarily should be "formal" evenings on cruise lines that retain the tradition. On longer cruises, the "formal" evenings usually are spaced more or less evenly but on days when the ship eather is at sea or leaves port early.

That said, I also recognize that there are passengers who do not like to dress up for the evening. To this end, I welcome the introduction of cruise lines like Disney Cruises, Oceania Cruises, and Azamara Cruises that abandon the tradition of "formal" evenings completely and instead offer an "all casual" cruise experience. I also welcome the fact that some cruise lines have dropped the tradition of "semiformal" or "informal" evenings while retaining the "formal" evenings. Here, the distinction as to line provides clear branding so we all know what to expect based upon the line on which we book. And frankly, the Royal Caribbean International fleet is now large enough so it probably would make sense to split the fleet and form a new line that would offer "all casual" cruises in the mainstream segment of the cruise market.

I also recognize that there are situations that warrant deviation from the traditional scheduling of the "formal" evenings, such as a late port of call or overnight stay in port on one of those evenings. Very short cruises also fall into this category.

>> On cruises of three (3) nights, the second evening is also the penultimate evening, so making it "formal" combines the "Welcome Aboard" and "Farewell" to fulfill both customs.

>> On cruises of four (4) nights, the second and penultimate evenings fall on consecutive evenings. In this situation, the best solution is to have just one "formal" evening on the second night that, again, serves as both the formal "Welcome Aboard" and formal "Farewell" events. On lines that retain the tradition of "semiformal" or "informal" evenings, the third evening should follow such a standard.

>> On cruises of five (5) nights, there really is no good solution because the second evening is too far from the end of the cruise for a formal "Farewell" but there's only one day between the second evening and the penultimate evening. On cruise lines that hold "semiformal" or "informal" evenings, it would be possible to do the farewell on such an evening. For the rest, the better solution probably really is a second "formal" evening.

>> On cruises of six (6) nights, the second and penultimate evenings have two nights between so it's reasonable to hold "formal" evenings on both the second evening and the penultimate evening.

Of course, all of this pertains only to cruise lines that retain the tradition of "formal" evenings.

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Well put Diane, Yes you do deserve an apology. These boards are meant as a resourse for information and opinions regarding the topics. This is not the place to flame other people.
What am I missing? Perhaps we have different standards as to what constitues "flam[ing] other people," but I don't see anything in Cassandra's post that I would put in that category. What is it that she said that you find offensive?

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Diane,

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I think it is time to explain why I even decided to bring up this topic about a change to the formal night structure.

I do not advocate wearing shorts/jeans and/or tank tops into the dining room. That is certainly not the place for them!
(Even I know that, although I am a teacher (service person).

There is a time and place for everything.

This is what it was all about...

I love formal nights and wish they would make them 5 nights out of 7 on a 7 day cruise; however, my husband is just the opposite.
We have a ratio in our home: Bob: 3 hours to get ready/Diane 1 hour
or whatever time remains after Bob finishes.

In order to have the necessary time to prepare for a formal night,
I have to cut into something else...unless we are "at sea".
This means, because I am a novice cruiser, there are ports that I would love to have the time to investigate, but, alas, cannot because of the time constraints to make certain Bob is ready and not rushed.

I realize that the choice is ours. We could skip the formal night and just hang out elsewhere, but, if you can believe this, Bob loves to get dressed up!

This is a special cruise for me on 9/9/07. Bob and I celebrate our 25th wedding anniversary. We both want to enjoy every moment, so I know that I have to cut short my excursions to either Grand Cayman or Cozumel. (RCL actually does not know when the second formal night is,
they will not know till the week before...if that!)

I do not want to reinvent the wheel! Or to use the tried and true,
{"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!) (Having to use the word ain't is, for me,
analagous to nails on a blackboard...but I digress)

My sincerest apologies to anyone who thought that, even for one second,
I was attempting to change cruising as we have come to know and love it!
I have to agree with the poster who suggested second seating as an option. With dinner at 8:30 or so, your husband would not have to start getting ready for dinner until 5:00 or 5:30 so you could enjoy the full day ashore.

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Lou,

Quote:
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As a serious cruiser myself, I love that you and your DH love
cruising and hold the traditions dear.

However, after many years of both my DH and myself dressing
up for work, I'm open to smart casual cruises. We tolerate
formal nights as we do not want to miss the dining room on those
nights. Truth be told, we've never had dinner in Windjammer.

I'd like to see RCI designate some of their cruises
smart casual for 7 nights, like Windstar and some of the other
upper scale cruise lines.

This would also allow us to pack lighter...no suit or sportcoat
for him. Tho, he's rented a tux many times, just to lighten the
load and comply with the formal ambiance.

Guess I'm torn.....I like both venues. One thing is for sure, tho, if
they would have 5 formal nights, you'd lose us.

We've lived in Florida for 6 years, and it's perfectly acceptable
to go to a very nice restaurant with the men in nice sport shirt.
Many of us appreciate this casual way of enjoying a very nice
atmosphere.

Have fun crusing...we know we will!!

PS: I still think 2nd seating is the answer to your problem.
It works for us!!
Have you tried any of the "all casual" lines like Azamara, Disney, or Oceania?

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DH is a jeans and Tshirt kinda guy and getting him to "dress up" for much of anything at home is like pulling teeth (no offence to any dentists out there ) however, much to my surprise and delight, my DH bought a TUX for our first ever cruise last year!!!

My DH and I Love Formal and Smart Casual nights and tend to go Smart Casual even on the casual nights.

I do feel that RCCL should insist that people adhear to the "dress code" more so than they do, at least in the main dining halls and Chops/Portofino. And make the other areas for those people who choose not to dress up. I agree that jeans, shorts, flip flops, etc are definately not appropriate at dinner, at least in what I would consider the "dress code" areas.

Just my $.02 worth.

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I am not that crazy about getting all dressed up for formal night but I do and when dinner is over, go back to my cabin, get comfortable and put on shorts and a decent shirt and get in some of that warm fresh air up on the deck. Bob
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I am not that crazy about getting all dressed up for formal night but I do and when dinner is over, go back to my cabin, get comfortable and put on shorts and a decent shirt and get in some of that warm fresh air up on the deck.
I just want to point out, for any novices who are following this thread, that "dressing down" after dinner is acceptable on some lines but not on others. Celebrity's daily bulletin, for example, clearly states that "[t]he prescribed evening dress applies throughout the ship, except designated casual areas, after 6:00 PM." When I last checked, Princess had a similar stated policy.

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I have cruised on Carnival, Princess and RCI and have always changed to a nice polo shirt and dress slacks after my main sitting on formal nights. A large number of other cruisers have done the same with many even changing to T shirts and shorts.

I change because a coat and tie are hot and uncomfortable in a crowded theatre or casino. I hasve been on Princess for three cruises, and I have yet to see them enforce any kind of dress policy
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live in a hovel along with all of the working democrats who make wealthy republicans laugh all the way to the bank? I am offended by your remarks and would appreciate an apology not just for me but also for other hard-working crusiers.

Diane I am offended and take exception by this state ment of yours ! I am a democrat, husband republician. I could go on about our lives, but your generalization statement is very biggotted.
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