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Phil & Liz...

Those are my words. not hers, and obviously I am writing at the speed of conciousness here, not checking every single phrase for accuracy.
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Bottom line though, as a reader, wouldn't you rather read a journalist who is willing to say something negative about the industry they cover than a cheer-leader who only reports the fluff?
I rather have them report the truth.
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exactly - the truth, not the fluff.
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Why are you so intent on questioning this specific part of Anita's article?
Why?
Very simple: the entire article is about the Morans complaining and that's why they were banned - which as we all know was and is false. Mrs Potter waited for RCI's response? She sure did. She threw that statement (she waited for - measuring in weeks possibly months) in there and quickly accused Royal Caribbean of banning for internet postings.

I want to know why she did that? Why ask someone for a statement then immediately dismiss it and just go by opinions?

My next question is why did Mrs Potter do such a pathetic research? She took Brenda Morans word that on their Alaska cruise their cabin was flooded with sewage.

I quote from Mrs Potter's article:
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Last September, during a 14-night Alaska and Northwest sailing onboard Radiance of the Seas, the Moran’s stateroom had a plumbing problem that ended up with sewage all over the bathroom that overflowed onto the room’s carpet. Even with cleaning, the room wasn’t acceptable. The Morans asked repeatedly to be moved to another stateroom, but was told the ship was full.

The couple did the best they could to cope. “We had to keep the balcony door open in 40-degree weather the entire cruise just so we could breathe and not smell the horrible odors,” says Brenda.
Yet if you look at Brenda Moran's review on CC there is no word about sewage leak, the opposite, the smell came from somewhere else:
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Our stateroom 8276 (AFT D1) was nicely appointed but the bathroom reeked of sewer smell for the entire 14 night cruise. Guest Relations did nothing but tell us about other guests who flush oranges, apples, silverware, diapers, etc down the toilet so we should talk to them. So our balcony door remained open the entire cruise even in 40 degree nights to keep the air fresh. Night 14 at midnight we have a guy banging on our door to deliver an envelope from the Hotel Manager giving us 20% off our next cruise. Too bad it took 2 weeks to do it.
Don't you think that someone who is running its own website has a little more responsibility? There was no rush, no deadline. Brenda Moron's cruise review is available here:
http://www.cruisecritic.com/memberre...?EntryID=33071

The internet is a funny medium. People always rush quickly to accuse people of being cheerleaders yet the other way around it is no good either.

I have been often accuse of being a cheerleader but I just live in reality and the world of cruising. Thinks go wrong, most likely. I had a water backup too, just recently on the Sovereign. I told our stateroom attendant, the same day they worked on it. It was fixed, not as good as it could be but I am aware that sometimes things can not be fixed until you are in port. It was minor inconvenience. This is cruising.

I think most people just don't live in reality. They are looking for perfection in an imperfect world. If Hotel stays, and air transportation is not perfect how can you expect a cruise ship, cut off from the main land for most of its time to simply be perfect.

What I also found out is that those who live less than perfect lives are seeking perfectionism somewhere else knowing that they will never archive that goal.

It is really a question of weighting expectations and reality.

What I find most disturbing though is that people complain and continue on to use the same product and keep on complaining. In my case I said good bye to NCL many years ago. I didn't ask for compensation, I just simply said "good bye". If you are not happy with a product or service (any product or service) just switch companies. Unless you are less than an honest person and you take these companies for a ride.

The Morans complained and complained kept on sailing RCI. They did the impossible: locked out on a balcony? Do you know how tough the safety measures are on balconies?

The Morans did this scam with Carnival, Princess, Celebrity (where they were caught lying by cruisers) and RCI. Through their Celebrity complains they were 'awarded' Diamond status on RCI.

It is all there for grabs, readily available.

They did it with NWA (where they claimed an engine blew up), Delta, hotels and resorts, car makers (Saturn and Huyndai), Verizon Wireless and many other places.

It is a matter of research. It took me a messageboard, a google search and one phone call to make a search on Mrs Moran.

This is not what you expect from a cruiser but something which should be expected from an internet writer or any writer who wants to separate him/herself from gossip writing.
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Our stateroom 8276 (AFT D1) was nicely appointed but the bathroom reeked of sewer smell for the entire 14 night cruise. Guest Relations did nothing but tell us about other guests who flush oranges, apples, silverware, diapers, etc down the toilet so we should talk to them. So our balcony door remained open the entire cruise even in 40 degree nights to keep the air fresh. Night 14 at midnight we have a guy banging on our door to deliver an envelope from the Hotel Manager giving us 20% off our next cruise. Too bad it took 2 weeks to do it.
Well now reading Mrs. Moran's review I have to change my mind on my previous post.

I stated I was glad Mrs. M got 20% and $500. for raw sewage overflowing the bathoom and the carpet. However From Mrs. M's post she mentions the bathroom reeked (smelled). 20% would have been more then enough for a smelly bathroom with NO raw sewage overflowing.

But in the end everyone wins!

RCCL gets rid of Mrs. M
Mrs. M got the $500. and will move on to NCL and might enjoy her cruises with them better.
NCL will be getting new business.

I think all cruiselines should start to just ban the problem cruisers. It would be easier to just ban then to have say a list going of problem cruisers. They would have to post the list somewhere in the crew area and on the begining of a new sailing each week all employees would have to check the list and hope and pray they will not have direct contact with the problem cruisers.

I'm a proud RCCL cheerleader however I thought Mrs. M had raw sewage overflowing in which case I WAS GLAD she got the 20% and $500. no matter if she is a fiesty scammer or not. NO CRUISER should have a bathroom overflowing with raw sewage. But it turns out she just had a smelly bathroom in which case she made out pretty well.

I would hope Mrs. M has her local police involved in the death threats issue.

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I say no to bannng people unless they have a history of taking the same cruise line more than once and complaining and demanding compensation each time they cruise.

That any business would choose to ban people who complain rather than deal with the problems is not acceptable. The airlines started down that path about 10 years ago, telling anyone who complained that they could be flagged as a security risk and barred from flying.

It happened to me once, when (now bankrupt) National Airlines lost my baggage for 10 days. I called the baggage hotline presented on their web site and was dropped in a voicemail.

I was a little verbally abusive (I was now a week out and still missing my best stuff) and I got a call back - not to apologize for my still missing lugage, but to warn me that I had violated a federal law and could go to prison for what I had said.

I agree that the Morans abused the complaint system to try to get more from the company...

But who among us has not had a just plain bad vacation and wanted to complain? And sometimes it isn't just one horribly bad thing where a jury would agree "you deserve compensation" but it is just a non-stop series of irritations?

I went on a cruise last year with a stinky bathroom, the hallway outside reeked, our waiters were slow, the wine service was so bad we wasted about $30 in wine one night, our dessert coffee arrived after everyone was done eating. We were with an elderly couple (90s) who got nothing but bad information about many things, so we had to sort out their problems.... and with continued complaints nothing was done to satisfy us.

I was truly frustrated and unsatisfied by the end of the cruise. I wrote about it in a message here and someone tried to address each of my complaints like "why would you want coffee after dinner anyway?".

NO! I say we all need to have the right to complain, and when something is bad enough and costs you money, and you are not satisfied, you should be compensated in some way.

And a cruise line should not be allowed to ban anyone unless they
have a solid history of complaining and demanding compensation.
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there has got to be more to this story then what is being posted
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And a cruise line should not be allowed to ban anyone unless they have a solid history of complaining and demanding compensation.
We can't fault this reasoning. But even if they are "professional" complainers, surely a successful corporation knows how to handle these people in rejecting claims and compensation. The problem comes when a complainer does damage to said company through negative postings such as seen here at CruiseMates.

We all remember the posting "BUMPED". But look how that was so beautifully handled by the company's execs. The ultimate damage to a company's reputation can be self-inflicted such as, in exasperation, publically banning a person from further service. This was not handled well at all.
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Well... let's give Royal Caribbean some credit here. They didn't ban the couple publicly, they banned them by a personal letter. The problem was that the couple tended to make everything public - and so word leaked out.

The more I think about this, however, the more reason I see for keeping track of "professional" complainers and just making notes about them. If you have strict guidelines about what can or cannot be compensated, then you are held to the rules when it comes to how everyone is treated.
This will hopefully stop a company from giving in all the time.

Meanwhile, you will get to see how people react to your protocol, and if they are not satisfied you can tell them "we're sorry, but that is all we do according to company policy. You are welcome to find a new cruise line."

That way you are not encouraging complaining, nor are you being victimized by complainers, and hopefully they will soon see you will not give in to their game and they will go elsewhere on their own accord.
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I guess if we are going to keep tabs on complainers we may as well also have a roster of those who are fished out of the water after "falling" overboard. They delay the ship & its passengers to a cost I am sure far exceeds what little compensation the line might pay to a complainer.


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I guess if we are going to keep tabs on complainers we may as well also have a roster of those who are fished out of the water after "falling" overboard. They delay the ship & its passengers to a cost I am sure far exceeds what little compensation the line might pay to a complainer.


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oh, I bet they do have that list....
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I think that folks are putting the wrong spin on this. Put the complaints aside for a moment.

What I find interesting is that RCI is demanding that anything negative about them be removed or amended on these cruise web sites. Now that is pure BS. I wonder what Paul Motter told RCI when they called him.

So be careful what you say or you just might be the next one to get banned on RCI.

????????'demanding that ANYTHING negative about them be removed'....I don't think so. Not sure if they should have approached Paul at all, but if the problem had been dealt with and the couple paid off, of course RCL is not going to want them to blab the details of the compensation over the boards. Might inspire other nut jobs to try some strong armed complaint tactics.
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[/b][color=blue]Good Morning to all. As you can see I just arrived here. I just had to add my 2 cents for what it's worth to this discussion. I have cruised on the same ship as the Moran's twice and I cannot emphasise enough the wisdom of RCCL in this case. I personally witnessed many of her performances and was "Gob smacked" (A really good British term ) There is no doubt in my mind that the reporter in question was scammed also. I can also say that speak for a large group of us that have continued to stay in contact after the Radiance Cruise. We all had different experiences with her and they were all bad. BTW one of the other things that happened has been changed since the cruise. At the time that her husband was locked out on the balcony, she treated it as a big joke, not once did she mention that the maintainance staff was called and that they were disrespectful to her. That has been added recently for effect I suspect... I now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
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[/b][color=blue]Good Morning to all. As you can see I just arrived here. I just had to add my 2 cents for what it's worth to this discussion. I have cruised on the same ship as the Moran's twice and I cannot emphasise enough the wisdom of RCCL in this case. I personally witnessed many of her performances and was "Gob smacked" (A really good British term ) There is no doubt in my mind that the reporter in question was scammed also. I can also say that speak for a large group of us that have continued to stay in contact after the Radiance Cruise. We all had different experiences with her and they were all bad. BTW one of the other things that happened has been changed since the cruise. At the time that her husband was locked out on the balcony, she treated it as a big joke, not once did she mention that the maintainance staff was called and that they were disrespectful to her. That has been added recently for effect I suspect... I now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
And now she plays the "poor poor me"....


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And now she plays the "poor poor me"....
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http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaind...l=2&thispage=1
My first blush of this article does seem to be more even handed with the sides of the story. One thing I noticed was this section..."In an interview on Thursday, Moran called herself a professional "mystery shopper," saying retailers and service providers pay her to visit stores anonymously and follow up with detailed reports to company officials.

"I have a great time doing this," Moran said.

She indulges in that role without compensation, too: "

Ummm was she paid or was she without compensation????

Then it reads "Brenda Moran describes herself in one online "profile" as a retired police officer "....
If she is a LEO and is getting threats, she would know that "communicating a threat" is a crime ansd she should be filing charges.

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All indications are that B Moran is good at changing her spots to suit her needs (as when speaking to reporters). Anita told me she sounded very credible, and the Plain Dealer reporter certainly does not indicate he doesn't believe anything she said.

But people who cruised with say she tried under-handed things to beat the system when possible. ( I read about her trying to sneak into a private event by walking closely behind an admitted couple.)

Anyone see or hear of her trying to do anything else? (this is not for the record, just feel free to say it if you heard something).
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All indications are that B Moran is good at changing her spots to suit her needs (as when speaking to reporters). Anita told me she sounded very credible, and the Plain Dealer reporter certainly does not indicate he doesn't believe anything she said.

But people who cruised with say she tried under-handed things to beat the system when possible. ( I read about her trying to sneak into a private event by walking closely behind an admitted couple.)

Anyone see or hear of her trying to do anything else? (this is not for the record, just feel free to say it if you heard something).
Does Mrs Potter still thinks the same?

I believe it is another scam by Mrs Moran. Next thing you will see is appearances on the Today's show and Oprah.


I tell you this was a targeted job by the Morans and Mrs Potter played right into their cards. She used her friendship to get into the news.

A little note to Mrs Potter:
It is never to late to research, to retract and to say "I was wrong".
You do not know people not even when they are close to you. If I look at my wedding pictures from 13 years ago I see my wedding party who is not in my life anymore. My usher and my best man are either on the run or in jail for life because of things in their life I was not aware of. They were as close as they can be to me otherwise they would not have been my usher and my best man.

It is mature to realize "I made a mistake, I was wrong and I make up for it".

It is immature to stick to a point even so all facts and indications point into another direction.

Do the right thing Mrs Potter. Your reputation is on the line.

And thank you Paul for keeping a great debate alive. It is a great thread.


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I don't understand why you are so intent on taking this out on Anita. She is just reporting what happened. If you expect her to publicly call the Morans "scammers" - then you should be on the same bandwagon for other articles as well.

Here is another one: http://blogs.courant.com/travel_colu...-cruise-s.html

I just re-read Anita's article. I don't see anything factually incorrect.

You disagree with her opinion about the Morans, but Royal Caribbean did not say they are scammers. I think RC's statement is succinct and to the point...

“On all but one of those sailings the Morans felt there were a variety of service failures they experienced,” he said. “In a small number of cases we agreed and compensated them appropriately. In most cases, however, we disagreed. Having concluded that we are unable to meet the expectations of the Morans, we have told them that they would be best served by sailing with another company.”

They also gave them a $500 check in lieu of a promised credit for a future cruise. That was a very generous gesture in light of the fact that they were telling them they did not want their business any longer.

The more I think about it, the more I think RCI did exactly the right thing with the Moran's. They went out of their way to please, but when they discovered they couldn't meet the Moran's expectations they asked them not to book any more cruises. They did not say "get lost," or "hit the road, Jack." They went out of their way to even give them the promised $500 dollars partial refund.

RCI is happy the end result, the Morans are happy. That is what Anita reported. I believe she left it open for the reader to draw his or her own conclusions, which is perfectly acceptable.

It IS highly possible that the Morans are just chronic complainers. Heck, my own mother is like that. She thinks everything she ever bought was a ripoff, and she often goes back to stores for refunds. Its called "buyer's remorse" and is common to the "Great Generation" who lived through the depression and counts every penny (even though they have $1,000,000 in their savings account).

The peanut gallery has already convicted the Morans without a trial - is that not enough? Is it a better world if the press also sinks to the same level?
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I have been a quiet member for some time and I really appreciate how active you are with this forum. I would like to jump in and explain some of the reasons folks on the "other" board seem to have such a dislike for Brenda.

While the moderator there does a very good job with a huge population, her bias in favor of Brenda is obvious to any casual observer. Brenda was banned under her old ID and came back as MACOP. Her writing style (if it can be called that as her posts in the past were between incomprehensible and incoherent) immediately gave her away. She would post ridiculous things and then "triangle" people who disagreed with her. Way too many of those posts were deleted than were justified based on the standards of conduct and some people were banned for "picking" on her.

She was very open about making wildly conflicting statements and complaining when people called her on it. By her own admission (bragging in many cases) on that site and others, she would take advantage of her status as a hotel "mystery shopper" (and I'll give her the benefit of the doubt on that). Once I remember she threatened a night manager of a hotel with going public with the fact that she found stains with her black light unless he upgraded her to a suite.

But what got to me the most was her ranting about people that had been affected by a hurricane. That post and thread is gone so I can only paraphrase her (but I wish I could quote her because she showed herself to be a cold, heartless harridan). Her approximate statement was They should just shut up and move away from that area. I am tired of my insurance rates going up because they insist on staying there and getting hit every few years.

As for Anita, given all that has come out, she should be embarrassed. You said she didn't include anything that wasn't factual. I suspect the raw sewage on the floor wasn't factual, and I think a responsible journalist would want to admit that she took to much of her story from the complaining party without checking what was easily available. How hard would it have been to ask Brenda where her reviews could be found that she is so proud of?

I don't find Brenda to be a sympathetic character at all based on several years of watching her write about how she gets so much for complaining (and by the way I have never seen anyone so obsessed with how many "gifts" they get on a member cruise).

I will agree with one thing. She has made it more difficult for those with legitimate complaints to get a reasonable acceptance and that is something she should be ashamed of. But she does not deserve personal hate mail or phone calls and I have even less respect for anyone who has done that.
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First I want to commend Paul on allowing a more open discussion of the topic than what has been permitted on that other unnamed cruise board.

My two big issues here are:

Disingenuous complaining in order to receive monetary compensation affects all cruisers in that is raises our prices. If her complaints are purely for the purposed of unpaid upgrades or monetary gain then RCCL was completely justified in banning her.

Disingenuous complaints hurt cruisers who have real issues. If you have a real issue then how far down the line do they get put if you have people drumming up issues?

The thing that made we really upset was that she tried to make this a "free speech" thing in the video news story.

If every person who ever posted something negative about a cruise line was banned then I think the cruise lines would be out of business.

OK, I know this is being a bit philosophical, but it irks me on Memorial Day that someone makes "this" a free speech issue when so many Men and Women have died for real free speech.
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I don't understand why you are so intent on taking this out on Anita. She is just reporting what happened. If you expect her to publicly call the Morans "scammers" - then you should be on the same bandwagon for other articles as well.

Here is another one: http://blogs.courant.com/travel_colu...-cruise-s.html

I just re-read Anita's article. I don't see anything factually incorrect.

You disagree with her opinion about the Morans, but Royal Caribbean did not say they are scammers. I think RC's statement is succinct and to the point...

“On all but one of those sailings the Morans felt there were a variety of service failures they experienced,” he said. “In a small number of cases we agreed and compensated them appropriately. In most cases, however, we disagreed. Having concluded that we are unable to meet the expectations of the Morans, we have told them that they would be best served by sailing with another company.”

They also gave them a $500 check in lieu of a promised credit for a future cruise. That was a very generous gesture in light of the fact that they were telling them they did not want their business any longer.

The more I think about it, the more I think RCI did exactly the right thing with the Moran's. They went out of their way to please, but when they discovered they couldn't meet the Moran's expectations they asked them not to book any more cruises. They did not say "get lost," or "hit the road, Jack." They went out of their way to even give them the promised $500 dollars partial refund.

RCI is happy the end result, the Morans are happy. That is what Anita reported. I believe she left it open for the reader to draw his or her own conclusions, which is perfectly acceptable.

It IS highly possible that the Morans are just chronic complainers. Heck, my own mother is like that. She thinks everything she ever bought was a ripoff, and she often goes back to stores for refunds. Its called "buyer's remorse" and is common to the "Great Generation" who lived through the depression and counts every penny (even though they have $1,000,000 in their savings account).

The peanut gallery has already convicted the Morans without a trial - is that not enough? Is it a better world if the press also sinks to the same level?
Why Mrs Potter?
Because she opened the flood gates, she brought a several months old story out, attempting to make it news worthy and why? Because they are friends, as I provided a link of the declaration of friendship by Brenda Moran with Mrs Potter.

Mrs Potter is the root where it all began. She defended Brenda Moran against everybody else. There is not one voice supporting Brenda Moran. In her comment section she defended her. She told people to continue to post and when it became clear that evidence was provided about the real Brenda Moran she shut her own comment section down: just like the "other" board does. The thread from this morning is gone.

I want to know why? Why are they so protective about her? Evidence and facts go into a total different direction yet they are defending her. WHY?

And why am I so furious about this subject?

I despise people who scam for a living. I despise people who make up reasons to gain financial or other advantages based on lies. I hate and despise greed, selfishness, egoism. And I despise those who aid.

I don't despise complainers, I despise scammers, those who are knowingly make false accusation hidden under the security blanked called "complaints to gain financial advantages.

That is the big difference.

RCI took the high road on this one. I applaud them for that. Mrs Potter did not take the high road, essentially accusing RCI banning the Morans for complaining on the internet totally disregarding Sheehan's statement.

And she continues to stand by it.

In regard to the link you send: it differs from Mrs Potters article. Mrs LeBlanc took the RCI statement face value. She can do that. Based on the statement RCI has banned the Morans for complaining to often. Sprint just dumped a few months ago 1500 customers for the extensive use of the customer service number.

Mrs LeBlanc clearly states that the Morans were banned because they complained too much, just like the RCI statement said. She didn't invent anything or fabricated reasons for the ban like Mrs Potter. I may disagree with Mrs LeBlanc's opinion but that's what it is: one opinion (mine) vs another opinion (hers).

And you really didn't see anything factual incorrect with Mrs Potter's hit job?
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Until I read Bob's post I never even thought about Moran being someone I knew from cruise threads. It makes since now. I'm just a little slow. Can't really add more than what Bob said, but having read her diatribes in the past she should be banned by any smart cruise line for sure. She really doesn't make any since at all. That's IMHO.

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Until I read Bob's post I never even thought about Moran being someone I knew from cruise threads. It makes since now. I'm just a little slow. Can't really add more than what Bob said, but having read her diatribes in the past she should be banned by any smart cruise line for sure. She really doesn't make any since at all. That's IMHO.

Great thread, great points by all.

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Read this for a review by her. I just loved this line ---
Great to goto Dinner that night & 4 other folks were there instead of 1500, so that is one violent illness that takes only one sick person to contaminate a whole ship including crew. Even the entertainers were canceled due to illness.

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