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Old September 30th, 2009, 08:05 PM
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Default Carnival Legend hits RCL Enchantment

Apparently the Legend has run into the Enchantment in Cozumel. It's been reported on Tweeter and "the other side". Hope no ones hurt.
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Thats the big topic on cruise critic..Hope everyone is ok!!
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Was on the Enchantment when it happened, a big storm came up and started to blow the Carnival ship toward us, we were tied up at the dock.
We felt a slight bump, they called a general emergency, all is well, damage to Enchantment was no more then some dented plates on the aft starboard side, damage was worse on the Carnival ship.
My opinion... the Carnival captain should have taken greater care givin the sudden weather change, no one was hurt.
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Thank you for the first hand report. And I'm glad no one was hurt.
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Was on the Enchantment when it happened, a big storm came up and started to blow the Carnival ship toward us, we were tied up at the dock.
We felt a slight bump, they called a general emergency, all is well, damage to Enchantment was no more then some dented plates on the aft starboard side, damage was worse on the Carnival ship.
My opinion... the Carnival captain should have taken greater care givin the sudden weather change, no one was hurt.
Glad to hear everyone is okay and there was no major damage!
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Was on the Enchantment when it happened, a big storm came up and started to blow the Carnival ship toward us, we were tied up at the dock.
We felt a slight bump, they called a general emergency, all is well, damage to Enchantment was no more then some dented plates on the aft starboard side, damage was worse on the Carnival ship.
My opinion... the Carnival captain should have taken greater care givin the sudden weather change, no one was hurt.
Isn't that an oxymoron?

How can a Capt take greater care if the weather changes suddenly?

On a general note (having quickly read the 'other side'): I find it funny how people who cruise once in a while in the Caribbean become weather experts. Caribbean/tropical weather patterns are unpredictable in the summer time. One second you have great weather, 30 seconds later you have wind gust in the excess of 50-60mph and torrential down pours.

There is nothing the Carnival Capt could have done.
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The Carnival Captain absolutely could have taken greater care, it's not as if he started his maneuver then instantly ,out of the blue the weather changed, the weather was blowing bad at least 10 to 15 minutes before he pulled away from the dock, he was well aware of the weather condition he was dealing with, and knowing the handling characteristics of his ship he should have taken greater precaution in exiting the dock area. Yes , we are all familiar with caribbean weather and how quickly it can change but please understand ,these guys don't step outside ,wet their finger ,stick it in the air and decide on approaching weather. You could see it approaching along way off, not to mention weather radar, other ship reports etc. Oh and one more thing I base my knowledge of weather not on my visits to the caribbean but having a professional pilots Licence for over 25 years.
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I wonder if the Carnival Captain still has his job.

What is important is that onebody was hurt.

There are a few good youtube videos showing the hit.
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Yes, no one was hurt, no significant damage to the ships involved plus it gave us all something to talk about, fun fun.
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The Carnival Captain absolutely could have taken greater care, it's not as if he started his maneuver then instantly ,out of the blue the weather changed, the weather was blowing bad at least 10 to 15 minutes before he pulled away from the dock, he was well aware of the weather condition he was dealing with, and knowing the handling characteristics of his ship he should have taken greater precaution in exiting the dock area. Yes , we are all familiar with caribbean weather and how quickly it can change but please understand ,these guys don't step outside ,wet their finger ,stick it in the air and decide on approaching weather. You could see it approaching along way off, not to mention weather radar, other ship reports etc. Oh and one more thing I base my knowledge of weather not on my visits to the caribbean but having a professional pilots Licence for over 25 years.
Yeah you mean like the Brilliance slammed into the pier once and ripped the gangway into pieces - almost killing passengers. That captain should be fired too? No?

I highly doubt that the occasional cruiser knows more about Caribbean weather patterns as a trained captain.

And I could care less if you have a pilot license or not. That does not make you an expert on handling a cruise ship in the Caribbean or anywhere else.

I wonder what you do as a pilot when sudden side winds come up while attempting to land. Predictable? I doubt that.

Usually its pier vs ship. This time the Enchantment was in the way.
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Yes I submit to you're extensive knowledge, and the fact that you were there witnessing the incident, Oh! , what's that ! you weren't there, sorry oh great expert!!
Sounds like you need a couple Lebadoosees!!
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Yes I submit to you're extensive knowledge, and the fact that you were there witnessing the incident, Oh! , what's that ! you weren't there, sorry oh great expert!!
Sounds like you need a couple Lebadoosees!!
Technically a lot of people are feeling good if another person becomes submissive. Though it was sarcasm, sarcasm and submission are two weaknesses which are based on the inability to argue facts.

You made a statement about the Captain and I challenged you on the facts. The only thing you had to offer is some flight experience which I did not submit to. As a matter of fact I challenged you on sudden side wind changes while landing which in nature is similar to a sudden change of winds in the Caribbean.

I could of course have thrown some algebra and physics at you and an equation how much force a 50 mph wind applies to a 90k ton ship based
on its surface area. But I felt it would have been too much.

I don't understand why people throw stuff out in a forum and when challenged begin to 'pout' (not saying you were pouting - it is more hyperbolic).

You should have just kept going with me and we would have had a great discussion.

Those who know me personally (even some on this board) know that I love a good debate without losing my smile.

Its all good. You just can't take my posts personal.

I am glad though that neither you or anybody else got hurt.
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HERE is an excellent video of the collision.

I'll be on Enchantment next month!
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Not meaning to stir the pot nor take sides in the " who's at fault " thing
but I thought that pilots came aboard the ships and guided them into and out of most ports. You see the pilot boats come out as the ships gets close to the docks and then as the ships leave, you see the pilot boats come alongside and take the pilot off the ship.
So, the question is ---who was in charge of the ship as it was just leaving the dock----the pilot or the captain?
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Even though there is a pilot onboard the captain is still the responsible party for his vessel. Some captain's refuse to take pilots onboard as they prefer to do it themselves.

In saying that, I can't say I have ever NOT seen a pilot board a cruiseship.
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