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I want to know how they detected the runrunners?

They must have been doing baggage checks. Do you know?
They found a lot with them, but then a lot may have gone through. In my case I think it was the 8 coke bottles. When they see them they may suspect mixers and just tag the bag. They will then find them by searching. If you use rum runners, don't pack cokes or other suspect items in same bag.

Not sure if they did physical searches. I don't think so. My bag was secured by cable ties (another thread) and it was not opened until we were in the naughty room.
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Why couldn't you have a drink on your balcony again? Go to the bar one deck up, buy the drink then walk back To your balcony. Or buy a bottle of wine and walk the bottle back to your cabin. I am unaware of any line that allows you to bring your own booze onboard without restriction, even celebrity has restrictions similar to royal.
Every other line allows you to bring wine on or order a bottle of hard booze for your room consumption. RCL is the only one that doesn't. I'm an adult, if I want to have a drink on my balcony I don't want to leave the cabin, it could be late under the stars, in my bathrobe getting ready, or otherwise just not convenient, neither is waiting 35 minutes for room service for my now ice cube melted drink to arrive.

It concerns me a little in that RCL is the only one and they feel they have a need to do this, so what kind of passengers are they attracting? maybe I don't want to be on that ship afterall.
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I don't think you need to be concerned with the type of passenger Royal Caribbean is attracting; it's a family cruise line. Are you concerned with the type of passenger Disney Cruise Line is attracting? Also, I believe we can always raid the mini-bar in our cabins if we felt the need for an immediate adult beverage. I personally don't have much trouble with their policy; when you're a large cruise line with the largest ships in the world - perhaps additional control measures become necessary - not really sure, but I guess different strokes for different folks.
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I'm always amazed by the tremendous response with concerns about not being able to bring your own alcohol onboard.

Perhaps odd, since I was in the bar business for 30 years.. but I'm still surprised at how much people want to drink, and how important it is to them.

When in business, and I saw the same people drinking every day, I was honestly more concerned about their possible addiction, than selling them more to drink.
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Why would I be concerned about Disney passengers? they allow you to take on wine and I believe you can buy a bottle of booze for your room.

Kuki, I really resent your implication. You don't know the first thing about me yet you jump to "addict". Nice!

We cruise to spend time together, we do that by spending most sea days on our deck, we have lunch out there, we have dinner out there. We don't hang out in bars, we don't get into that many shipboard activities. We like the quiet of our deck. To save running to a bar every hour or two, it would be nice to be able to prepare a G & T or whatever in my room.

I also love cruising the Med. Trying different wines is lovely when in a wine region. However, a bit pointless when if I want to buy a bottle it's held until you depart and am expected to fly home with it. No, I'd like that bottle with my dinner tonight thank you.

I'm sure RCL doesn't miss me, but I'm not alone. We have good friends who just booked a $100,000 cruise on HAL... Why HAL over RCL? The wine & booze policy. They probably do 3 cruises a year and haven't been on RCL in about 7 years.

I don't sit in my room consuming litres of alcohol. I'm quite happy paying the $17 for a 375 ml on Princess, I don't need anymore than that. I'm not a child, I don't need RCL monitoring my alcohol consumption.
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Tracky... I certainly wasn't talking about you, or implying anything about you.

I don't think there's anything wrong with taking a couple of bottles of wine along. That's not what I was getting at, at all.

I was speaking generally about how amazed I get with the verocity of the alcohol threads when they appear.
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Yes, liquor threads usually get heated. Both sides of the debate are equally to blame. There are those that think they're "Entitled" to drink whatever and wherever and wouldn't buy it from the cruise line even if they could because they're trying to save $$$, there is the flip side that then declares those people in need of AA and anyone that wants a bottle for their room "Cheap". And downhill it goes.

If you can take away all the name calling, it can be an interesting debate, they just never end up that way.

I wish cruiselines would try and focus on much more regional wines like I've heard Azamara does. It wouldn't really be a big deal to take wine on if they vary their selection to more interesting regional wines, but they don't. It's the same selection wherever they sail.

I'm not here to change how RCL does things, it's their line, their rules, I just don't sail them.
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Consistency would help.
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Why would I be concerned about Disney passengers? they allow you to take on wine and I believe you can buy a bottle of booze for your room.
Disney allows more than that actually. Directly from their website:

Alcohol is permitted on board. However, be aware that any fragile items (including bottled alcohol) must be hand-carried on board in a day bag and/or carry-on bag, the dimensions of which cannot exceed 22" wide, 14" high and 9" deep. Guests who request a Wine Steward to open and serve a bottle of champagne, wine or liquor that has been brought onboard will be charged a corking fee of $18.00 per bottle.
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I was just on Radiance of the Seas two weeks ago and purchased a bottle of wine in the dining room and asked if I could take the bottle back with me to finish in my cabin. They said that was not a problem and off I went. I also have pre-ordered wine from the cruise line that was awaiting me in the cabin on the first day of the cruise. To each there own, if the booze policy on RCL is not to your taste, then I agree - simply do not sail with them. Happy crusing.
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I was just on Radiance of the Seas two weeks ago and purchased a bottle of wine in the dining room and asked if I could take the bottle back with me to finish in my cabin. They said that was not a problem and off I went. I also have pre-ordered wine from the cruise line that was awaiting me in the cabin on the first day of the cruise. To each there own, if the booze policy on RCL is not to your taste, then I agree - simply do not sail with them. Happy crusing.
Wine makes a horrible G & T I'm fully aware you can buy a bottle of wine to take back to your room. That's not however what I was talking about.
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Disney allows more than that actually. Directly from their website:

Alcohol is permitted on board. However, be aware that any fragile items (including bottled alcohol) must be hand-carried on board in a day bag and/or carry-on bag, the dimensions of which cannot exceed 22" wide, 14" high and 9" deep. Guests who request a Wine Steward to open and serve a bottle of champagne, wine or liquor that has been brought onboard will be charged a corking fee of $18.00 per bottle.
Ironic isn't it? the most family oriented cruise line out there with the most liberal booze policy
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Glad the cruise went well.

I'm a firm believer in the divide and conquer principle. Better to divide up your hooch among several bags. They can't possibly find it all. And I lock it all and also use a locking strap.

As for Europe, I've never had Carnival question and liquor, wine, etc. carried aboard. There was no where to check it even if you wanted to. i'll find out again in a few months on Carnival Magic. YMMV.
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Yes, liquor threads usually get heated. Both sides of the debate are equally to blame. There are those that think they're "Entitled" to drink whatever and wherever and wouldn't buy it from the cruise line even if they could because they're trying to save $$$, there is the flip side that then declares those people in need of AA and anyone that wants a bottle for their room "Cheap". And downhill it goes.
If you can take away all the name calling, it can be an interesting debate, they just never end up that way.
I will not like this thread to go down that path but the same thing occurs with the smoking issue. Adults are entitled to smoke and drink OR NOT.
But some people feel entilted to tell others that they can't or shouldn't.
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Glad you had a great cruise Snoozeman! I read your blog and really enjoyed your story about getting your Uncle a tour of the bridge with the Captain! Glad you and your Uncle were able to enjoy that together, and tell him we appreciate his service!
Thanks Zack, I did learn a lot more about his service on this trip. My uncles main concern was that they no longer have a gyroscope on the bridge. Very impressed with modern radar though.
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We always joke about that at work. I've heard they may start restricting it down to one bottle per guest. But even then ... a fifth or so of vodka is more than enough for me and probably a cabin mate. Even when I did have access to smuggled alcohol on a ship, I was still buying at the bars at times. Its not totally worth the effort to trek back to the cabin every time.
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We were on the Oasis, my husband's bag was nabbed for having an iron. He also packed soda, he said every time he move something in the bag another can of coke appeared. They did not take the soda away only the iron.
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I just got one step closer to taking an RCL cruise (Air Miles Thread) but after reading this thread I think I just took two steps back.

Seriously, this is all about money, nothing more.

As the economy continues to pull itself out of the recession, I guess this is RCL's approach to making more money. I guess they can afford to tick some customers off and potentially loose them if they have more already waiting in line to take their place so to speak.

I watch the stock markets and RCL stock is performing much better over the past couple years than Carnival's stock has so RCL enforcing their policies more than Carnival for example makes some sense.

Honestly, I would much rather a cruise company figure out the happy medium between drink prices and bringing on your own booze. There is a point I believe where the majority of people would stop doing it, if the bar price was fair. But with that being said, why would the cruise line do this? They likely have nothing to gain. I paid $6.61 PER 16oz Bud Light last week on Carnival including tip. (I do buy the buckets a lot to save a couple bucks). While this may be somewhat competitive with "Bar" prices at home, who goes to the bar 7 nights in a row when you're at home? On average, beer is around a buck each at any beer or liquor vendor.

With regards to comments above about the number of threads started about alcohol, and why it seems so important is quite simple.

To MANY people, a drink on a vacation (especially) goes as good together as a coffee and a cigarette in the morning. The MAJORITY of people in my honest opinion drink for the sole purpose of getting drunk, at bare minimum they are drinking to loosen up and potentially enjoy themselves a little more. This is why there are not many non-alcoholic beers and wine flying off the sheves at beer and liquor vendors.

I don't know what the solution is but it's not overcharging for drinks and scolding people looking for nothing more than to have a good time within a budget.

Maybe the solution is for Walmart to start a cruise line :P

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Seriously, this is all about money, nothing more.

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I watch the stock markets and RCL stock is performing much better over the past couple years than Carnival's stock has so RCL enforcing their policies more than Carnival for example makes some sense.

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Everything is always about money.

On stock prices, Carnival reinstated the dividend a while go and recently more than doubled it. RCL never has reinstated the dividend. CCL has a market cap of 36.43B with a P/E of 18.67 and EPS of 2.47. RCL has a market cap of 10.38B, P/E of 20.67 and EPS of 2.33.

Often, there really is no rhyme or reason behind stock prices these days, but RCL looks overvalued to me.
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Yes, Carnival's dividend is now $0.25, yeah me

Maybe I should have clarified my comments WRT RCL stock a bit better. As an investor, you would have made more money on RCL stock over the past couple years than CCL is all I meant. But RCL is definately a much smaller company for sure, and it's stock trades much more violently too.

I also agree that it seems RCL stock is overvalued right now.

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Ironic isn't it? the most family oriented cruise line out there with the most liberal booze policy
It is ironic that Disney would have one of the most liberal policies - but if you look at their pricing you see they are not competiting with RCL, Carnival or NCL - they are more in line with Holland America or even Azamara - so you sort of deserve to have more a break.
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I'm not going to say it's overvalued as yet. It just may seem more so since it went so low a few years ago.

The markets have discovered: Even during the worst of the economic turndown and even with H1N1, the cruise companies still made money! Also most industries or companies do NOT have the ability to move their assets like the cruise industry.
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It is ironic that Disney would have one of the most liberal policies - but if you look at their pricing you see they are not competiting with RCL, Carnival or NCL - they are more in line with Holland America or even Azamara - so you sort of deserve to have more a break.
Makes me glad for the discount I get on DCL. For me, they actually are in range with RCL, CCL, and NCL. I just have to be more flexible because sail dates are posted on our internal website around 45 days before departure.
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...I also agree that it seems RCL stock is overvalued right now.
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Yup, without doubt RCL has good news surrounding it. I own 100 shares of CCL, and at one point I bought 100 shares of RCL in the gf's account (just in case we ever took an RCL cruise and it seemed like a good investment as well) Well, she only has 20 shares left now as the growth was so good, so fast, we took the other 80 off as profit over two sales. Was wiating for the pullback but it never came. Oh well. Can't win em' all but if we ever seriously consider and RCL cruise, we might buy and hold the 80 shares required to get the $100 shipboard credit

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When on vacation I may have 4 or 5 drinks because I am on vacation. Does that make me an addict. No because I rarely drink at home.

I do not see this as more then a money issue for RCCL. We are sailing them for the first time in one year because the price was good. But We will be returning to Carnival because we canbring on our water and soda and not be made to feel like a criminal.
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I always take a few plastic bottles of Mountain Dew in my suitcase and have never had a problem. However I think why they stress the alcohol issue is because the cruise line makes more profit from the sale of alcohol but they should at least let one bottle per person be carried onboard. I do wonder however since my brother in law and his wife were on the same cruise out of Galveston if their bags were in the naughty room as well.
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Part of the issue with RCI is liability. That honeymooner that went missing overboard in Europe brought a bottle of Absinthe back on board from a port. The lawyers probably insisted on this new policy.
I was on the Voyager Jan 16 sailing and went down to see how bad the situation was in the naughty room - it was loaded with smuggled booze (in rum runners too) and lots of irons. Met lots of people who got caught and they seemed proud of it.
Our TA sent us a bottle of wine to the cabin, so we enjoyed that on the balcony. Thankfully she did not send the La Terre swill. Also had access to the CL and the bar waiter sent me out every night with a to go cup full of whatever I happened to be drinking that evening.
Posters on the Carnival boards are also complaining that Carnival is cracking down on smuggling the hard stuff. They allow you to take a bottle of wine per person aboard and you can buy a bottle of the hard stuff for your cabin through the Bon Voyage Dept. (via phone only). I think the issue is an attempt by the cruise line to maintain some control over drinking onboard. What if you serve the smuggled booze to a minor? Is the cruise line responsible if there is a problem because they failed to detect something being smuggled? Also, let's not forget that since 9/11 the machinery used to peer inside our baggage has gotten much more sophisticated. I had to take off my shoes to go through security to get on the Voyager this time - first time ever on a cruise. My shoes have a tiny zipper on them and it set off the machine. Also had to remove all jewelry, my coat, sweater, belt, take computer out etc. After passing through the machine a second time without setting it off I got wanded too. I was just waiting for the groping to start ...
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We've had to take our shoes off since the Christmas bomber attempt. That's why I always wear sandals.

I don't think the ability to take a bottle on board has anything to do with the Smith case. It's strictly a matter of money - RCL makes more of it if they don't allow you take any booze onboard. There are drunks wandering the ships all the time, especially the weekend cruises.

It's strictly money - RCL and for that matter, all cruiselines are not altruistic. They are only out for profit.
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