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Old May 16th, 2007, 07:16 PM
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I want to go on a cruise by myself but I don't want a cabin mate. How can you get a great deal and not have to pay 150% of the per person rate just to have a cabin to yourself? In this day and age of security, special for women, I would think singles would get a break!
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Michelle, I posted an answer to this on the carnival forum.

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Old May 17th, 2007, 11:35 PM
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You have asked a question that single cruisers have been asking as long as I have been Singles Editor, and the answer is always the same--it generally costs more to have your own cabin. The singles agencies hosting singles cruises charge for it, because the cruise lines do. Sometimes you might get a break when a ship runs a special, but not often.

I recently compiled a chart listing each cruise line's singles supplement rate. You can find it in Cruisemates' singles section.
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As nice as that would be, the ships aren't going to lose money for us singles who prefer our own cabin. Looks like we will just have to keep paying extra for that luxury.
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I think as the core cruising population gets older, like everything else the cruise industry will figure out a way to deal with this. Baby boomers make up a vast majority of the cruising public. And, as we get older, we empty nest, some of us have never nested, we retire and we are now ready to enjoy our mature years and the fruits of our labor, without or without a companion.

No, as the market of single cruisers grows (which it is), policies will also evolve.

Who else but a single/solo cruiser can drop everything and go on a 7-14 days cruise with only 3-5 days notice? Practically no one.

Cat. 1A's on Carnival ships have helped them fill their ships. The on board charges generally offset any lost in cabin revenue.
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I think as the core cruising population gets older, like everything else the cruise industry will figure out a way to deal with this. Baby boomers make up a vast majority of the cruising public. And, as we get older, we empty nest, some of us have never nested, we retire and we are now ready to enjoy our mature years and the fruits of our labor, without or without a companion.

No, as the market of single cruisers grows (which it is), policies will also evolve.
I would love to agree with you on this one, but I totally disagree that policies will get better for solo cruisers. In fact, the general attitude and policies of the cruise lines are getting more and more restrictive and expensive towards us. You can see that more and more cruise lines are charging doubles NCFs (used to be called port charges) than ever before.

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Who else but a single/solo cruiser can drop everything and go on a 7-14 days cruise with only 3-5 days notice? Practically no one.
Don't know why you think that most cruises still have empty rooms with 3 -5 days notice. Cruises are now sailing at record levels and almost every ship is at 100% or more of their occupancy levels. How can a ship go over 100%? Because they count 100% as 1st/2nd and the 3rd/4th as over 100%.

Only 16% of the US population has ever taken a cruise, so that leaves over 200 million people as never have been on a cruise. Those people will be sailing sometime in the future.

"The Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA) is forecasting a year of formidable growth, with 12.62 million cruise passengers predicted to set sail in 2007, an increase of approximately one half-million guests over 2006. The forecasted 500,000-passenger increase represents a 4.1 percent year-over-year growth commensurate with the planned net increase in 2007 CLIA-member line capacity."

Here's a link to the full article.

http://www.cruising.org/cruisenews/news.cfm?NID=250

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Cat. 1A's on Carnival ships have helped them fill their ships. The on board charges generally offset any lost in cabin revenue.
The number of 1A cabins on a cruise ship is relatively small considered to the number of cabins in total. When you figure 20 to 30 1As on a ship and most of today's ships have 1,300+ rooms, that is only a little over 1.5% of their rooms. A small drop in a big ocean. Plus Carnival is the ONLY cruise line to have 1As. You still have RCCL, NCL, Princess, etc.
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I think as the core cruising population gets older, . . . . .
1. I would love to agree with you on this one, but I totally disagree that policies will get better for solo cruisers. In fact, the general attitude and policies of the cruise lines are getting more and more restrictive and expensive towards us. You can see that more and more cruise lines are charging doubles NCFs (used to be called port charges) than ever before.

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Who else but a single/solo cruiser can drop everything and go on a 7-14 days cruise with only 3-5 days notice? Practically no one.
2. Don't know why you think that most cruises still have empty rooms with 3 -5 days notice. Cruises are now sailing at record levels and almost every ship is at 100% or more of their occupancy levels. How can a ship go over 100%? Because they count 100% as 1st/2nd and the 3rd/4th as over 100%.

Only 16% of the US population has ever taken a cruise, so that leaves over 200 million people as never have been on a cruise. Those people will be sailing sometime in the future.

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Cat. 1A's on Carnival ships have helped them fill their ships. The on board charges generally offset any lost in cabin revenue.
3. The number of 1A cabins on a cruise ship is relatively small considered to the number of cabins in total. When you figure 20 to 30 1As on a ship and most of today's ships have 1,300+ rooms, that is only a little over 1.5% of their rooms. A small drop in a big ocean. Plus Carnival is the ONLY cruise line to have 1As. You still have RCCL, NCL, Princess, etc.
1. I am leaving next Saturday on the Carnival Liberty. For lack of having anything else to do, I have been tracking the sale of their cabins for the last couple of weeks. Right now they have 7 cabins left to sell, all lower categories. Why? Because as people cancel in the higher categories, they upgrade other passengers and then look to sell the lower categories at a discount. The same demographic that books the lowest categories are also the same demographic that will book last minute. So, that is where I get the idea from. Every cruise I take, I track the sales of the cabins b/c I am always looking for them to drop the price so I can get OBC. So far I have gotten $225 OBC as a result of them twice lowering the price on the Cat. 1A's. Why do they lower the price? To entice the last minute folks on board.

2. 16% . . . . has taken a cruise. There are a whole lot of people who will never get on a cruise ship. 16% may be a good portion of the adults who are willing to even consider a cruise.

3. As far as Cat. 1A cabins. There are less than 20 per megaship. However, many of the people who book a Cat. 1A will book it "guaranteed". In fact, Carnival PVP's push the 1A purchasers to book it guaranteed. Therefore, the cruiseline can sell 100 Cat. 1A if 85 of those are guaranteed. The secret is that beside those 16 - 18 cabins that are oddly shapped, Cat 1A's are the same as Cat 4's. There are a lot of 4's on Carnival's ships and they can make them a Cat. 1A at will. Same cabin. Which is why they sell Cat 1A/4's guarantees long after the other higher categories are sold out even though they only have 16-18 Cat. 1A's per megaship.

As they get more families of 3 or more in one cabin, they can flip more 4's to 1A's, put the "guaranteed" passengers in and still stay at 100% capacity. They love any type of inside guarantees b/c they can really work with them. Single cruisers spent very little time in their cabin. Therefore, they are out and about drinking, gambling, taking pictures, buying merchandies, book ship excursions, etc. In short, spending more $$ than the average passenger.

Finally, as far as the other cruiselines, when they want to market to the single cruiser, they too will create some sort of category geared to them. It is coming, just remember you heard it here first. Carnival didn't always have the policy they now utilize. Truth be told, I have never paid 150% supp on a Carnival cruise. It has always been much lower.

Regardless of what the articles you read say, nothing speaks louder than actual experience. Sorry.
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Cruise lines make most of their money on the casino and alcohol and shore excursions. What they get for cabins is just gravy.
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Cruise lines make most of their money on the casino and alcohol and shore excursions. What they get for cabins is just gravy.
So true. It is not unusual for my final bill to be as much or more than what I paid to get on the ship. I am never in my room. I am alone so I book ship excursions. Don't do many pictures but I do like to donate to the Casino Charity Fund every night!
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I have a tip--wait for a good sale to come along and the book it then. I was looking at the rates for going single and it was high, but I knew it would be. I lucked out and Carnival had a 35thj anniversary sale where you got a two-deck upgrade (8A,B,C,D, to 8E) at the rate of a 8ABCD. I had a price of $2108 US air+cruise for the same sailing non-sale, but with the sale it was $1778 US (I choose a 8C category in case they bump me down from Panorama deck they can't put me lower than Verandah). I could have paid around $1500ish for a Upper cabin, but I'd rather be higher up.

I should mention that in January I sailed on Carnival Victory with my mother and it costed us $2880 air+cruise, so $1440 per person, so for $300ish more I am going solo with a cabin two decks higher than what we had on the Victory. I call that a sweet deal.

They should have special cabins for single travellers because there are quite a few of us who want to cruise but are limited because of price.

Moral of the story--watch for an advertised sale!
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