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Old December 11th, 2006, 09:04 PM
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I was thinking of you, when I read this, and had to giggle....I am reading a book, called Perish by Pedicure, by Nancy Cohen, a series set in a ficticious suburb of Fll, called Palm Haven..

The main character has a guest from out of town and she says...
"Her ensemble clearly identified her as a tourist, since the natives, many of whom were transplanted northerners, traditionally changed to autumn colors after Labor Day."

How on point, though a bit after our discusion here
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Old December 20th, 2006, 05:35 PM
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-- how true.
Today I am at work and wearing dark brown pants, a white shirt and a taupe blazer. I have a scarf that is a mixtures of browns and burnt orange.
Very fallish ...

Someone came into our office yesterday wearing a pastel sundress and it looked so out of place!
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Today it's in the mid-60s here, and one of my co-workers wore UGGs to the office!

Now THAT's a fashion statement in South Florida!
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The main character has a guest from out of town and she says...
"Her ensemble clearly identified her as a tourist, since the natives, many of whom were transplanted northerners, traditionally changed to autumn colors after Labor Day."
Ah... don't these author's know anything??? Natives are, by defninition, born there and thus not transplanted....

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Today it's in the mid-60s here, and one of my co-workers wore UGGs to the office!

Now THAT's a fashion statement in South Florida!
I'm probably either stepping into something or asking a quesiton to which I rally should know the answer, but what on earth are UGG's?

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First of all, there are many definitions of "native."
When in doubt -- look it up.
The author was talking about the people who live permanently in a certain place -- as opposed to someone visiting or living there on a temporary basis.

While I am not a native Floridian [I've met very few], I am one of the natives in that I am a person who lives here year-round.

The author was contrasting the year-rounders with the tourists.


Second ... when in doubt, look it up ... again.
www.uggs.com

Boots. Big, bulky, sheepskin boots.
While most of us *natives* are dressed in winter colors [I have a cranberry corduroy jacket, black shirt and black pants on today], I daresay most of us leave the winter accoutrements [boots, gloves, knit hats and wool scarves] out of our ensembles.
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First of all, there are many definitions of "native."
When in doubt -- look it up.
The author was talking about the people who live permanently in a certain place -- as opposed to someone visiting or living there on a temporary basis.
You're right -- the dictionary has far more definitions of the word "native" than I would have expected. However, they all pertain to place of origin or birth. Thus, my original statement that transplants are NOT natives is absolutely correct.

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Second ... when in doubt, look it up ... again.
www.uggs.com

Boots. Big, bulky, sheepskin boots.
Well, in fairness, they don't look all that big and bulky. In fact, they look almost as dainty as the model who's wearing them on the home page to which you linked!

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Norm,

Perhaps you looked up "native" as an adjective.
Try looking it up as a noun.
Here is what Merriam-Webster's online dictionary says:

Main Entry: native
Function: noun
1 : one born or reared in a particular place
2 a : an original or indigenous inhabitant b : something indigenous to a particular locality
3 : a local resident; especially : a person who has always lived in a place as distinguished from a visitor or a temporary resident

Technically, under meaning #3, it is a "local resident."
Yes, it is "especially" someone who has always lived somewhere ... but it could be someone who lived in a place for a long time, to distinguish that person from the visitors/snowbirds et al.

I am sure people who live year-round on the Cape -- even if they were born and raised in Lexington or Springfield or Fall River -- see themselves as "natives" when the summer tourist season comes.

As an editor, I would look at the context in which the word "native" is used before deciding whether to change it.
Given the tone of the book Trip was quoting -- the name itself resonates with humor -- I don't think the writer was being serious when she used the term "native."

Reading the sentence quoted, I would say the author was being ironic.
She did note that the "natives" were mostly transplanted northerners.

Sometimes irony is subtle and people overlook it.

As for Uggs, I just linked to the home page, not to the specific pair of boots the person was wearing. You asked what Uggs were -- and I thought it would be helpful to answer that question by linking you to the product's home page for an overview.

If you click on "women" and look further, you will see a sampling of their boots.
There was nothing dainty about hers. She had boots almost to her knees, and they were bulky.
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