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Old February 13th, 2009, 06:45 PM
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Hi guys as a Club o2 director with Carnival Cruise for over 4 yrs, we are always looking for new and better ways to make your Cruise expierence better. If you have taken a cruise with carnival or royal and expiernced there 15-17 yr old programs, please tell me

1. The difference between Club o2 directors & Fuel Directors
2. what program was better
3. why it was better
4. what would you like to see from the Teen programs in the Future
5. any other comment you would like to make about the 15-17 yr old program.

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i've only been on royal, not carnival. a general comment about the 15-17 program is it's so much more fun when the directors get involved in the activities. it shows that they know we want to have a good time and that they're not just there to "babysit".
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I definitely agree. BUT I have sailed on both ends on Carnival & Royal.. To me Carnival is soooo much better because all of my O2 directors get involved they are not afraid to get out there and dance with us and acts like total idiots to help get teens involved. The last two times in Club O2 I had Timmy and Iman. Both were completely amazing and I would love to sail with either of them again in the near future even though I'm 18. I also would have loved it if the open arcade wasnt during the time when we could have danced. To me that is my favorite part about going into O2 every night is to dance. So I think that the other activities from 11pm-1am should be the nightclub =) and everything else before or during the day.
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Hi guys as a Club o2 director with Carnival Cruise for over 4 yrs, we are always looking for new and better ways to make your Cruise expierence better. If you have taken a cruise with carnival or royal and expiernced there 15-17 yr old programs, please tell me

1. The difference between Club o2 directors & Fuel Directors
2. what program was better
3. why it was better
4. what would you like to see from the Teen programs in the Future
5. any other comment you would like to make about the 15-17 yr old program.

Thanks i look forward to your input

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1. The carnival directors are usually more involved with the activities. comparing my RCI cruise to my Carnival cruise the teen director on Carnival was younger and understood "us teens" more than the RCI teen director.
2.CARNIVAL! I love club o2!
3. The actual club was overal more exciting. and the activies were alot better on Carnival.
4. I would love for them(directors) to try and get teens involved who didnt come to the "mingle" at the beginning of the crusie. Some first time cruisers dont know that that club o2 is actually alot of fun.
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awesome responses guys, please keep them going, the more responses we get the more we can inprove your Cruising expierence.
The teen director has been a very important part of cruising since 2005. The cruise Industry has dertimed that 12-17 yr olds will become the face of the industry in the many years to come, and they have spent millions of dollars on teen clubs on every ship to accomodate you.

For Carnival we try to hire directors who age from 21-30 so they are able to relate to you as much as possible. and of course all directors are not the same. You can have some real crazy entergetic directors who love to have fun.or you can have a director like me who is more laid back, and who likes to be seen but not heard to much.

as far as getting more teens to show up to teen activities during the cruise. well that usually is your job to find teens and bring them to the club. The more word gets around about how much fun it is, then usually the " cool " teens will show up
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Oh I'll be back to comment on this later tonight
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Yeah, i'll be dropping a long comment later tonight as well; I just don't have time to type an article on this at the moment.
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On my next cruise, I'll be 18 and the two friends I'm going with will only be 17, but whatever. lol.

What if y'all could make a group for people 18 to 20?
That would be nice.
Some of us don't want to party with our parents in the same club.
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The cruise Lines did explore an age group from 18-21, but in the end when your 18 your considered an adult, so they expect you to find young adults on your on. Alot of people dont know this but the reason why most Adult discos have an age of 18 is becasue its not to safe to have young teens and adults partying together..also its a huge liabilty for cruise Lines .

in my expiernce anything past 12 am all the " old timers' are sleep in bed ha ha.. The month of March,april and christmas break is when you will see most of your young adults.
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The cruise Lines did explore an age group from 18-21, but in the end when your 18 your considered an adult, so they expect you to find young adults on your on. Alot of people dont know this but the reason why most Adult discos have an age of 18 is becasue its not to safe to have young teens and adults partying together..also its a huge liabilty for cruise Lines .

in my expiernce anything past 12 am all the " old timers' are sleep in bed ha ha.. The month of March,april and christmas break is when you will see most of your young adults.
It would still be nice to have a age group like that though, I know pretty much ALL of us on this site would enjoy that.
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I totally agree with that. Being 18 I dont want to be anywhere near the older drunk men and women. And as far as the "old timers" being in bed sometimes they stay out later than we do.... Just depends on how much alcohol they have had.
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totally agree with that. Being 18 I dont want to be anywhere near the older drunk men and women. And as far as the "old timers" being in bed sometimes they stay out later than we do.... Just depends on how much alcohol they have had.
Oh my gosh. So true. This one drunk old lady threw her granny panties into a crowd of people at a deck party. GROSS!
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HAHAHAHAHAHA! That is totally gross, but like I said it doesnt matter how old they are there are some that still party into all hours of the night. My last cruise on the last night me and all my friends stayed up until 430am and there were so many ppl up. I was kinda surprised...
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club o2 duh!
haha just cuz it is!
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Ok here goes:

Having experienced both of the programs well past 30 times each, I have found that each of them have their flaws and their advantages. Carnival's program fluctuates GREATLY from ship to ship. Until recently when the program switched to the Youth Activities branch of the company as it's management team, the Club O2 program had a lot of flexibility. What did this mean? Well the directors had a lot of creativity and "say" in their schedule but unfortunately many of the abused it and that led to the switch of Club o2 from entertainment to camp carnival. Since that switch, I've noticed that the directors themselves are more stressed because of the bosses breathing down their backs more than they're used to, and it really reflects in their performance. Also, Carnival's directors are VERY passive. Carnival doesn't seem to keep many of their staff for too many contracts. I can recall sailing on on ship in particular 4 times in 2 months and every time having a new director and that was during a high count period when a strong, solid director was needed to keep the program organized well. In addition, Carnival's programs have no particular requirement for employment. Obviously every application for a youth staff position is reviewed carefully, but there comes a time when we must wonder just what qualifies you. For instance, Dan Polulak was 18 when he began as a Club O2 director and he is, much like me, a very mature and intelligent 18 year old...but its still important to remember that the difference between 17 and 18 is a year at BEST and unless you are a very strong individual, its hard to keep the respect of the teens as a young director and I've seen that fail many times.

Thats a lot of negative on carnival, I know but heres the good part. Carnival spends a lot of time putting thought into their teen program and have really built something unique with the design, location and structure of their clubs. One thing that Carnival has over most of RCI's (and other lines as well) clubs is their positioning. Most of Carnival's clubs are on the Promenade deck which greatly increaces the likelyhood that teens will be enticed to at least consider participating. Carnival's clubs are well outfitted with decent sound and lighting systems that are capable of handling the levels of teens that come through, whereas Royal Caribbean's Fuel/Optix and Fantaseas clubs utilize much smaller EAW and Meyers sound rigs that are really designed for install in public areas for background music. Carnival also builds their program based off of the input from their teen passengers. Club O2 directors, in my experience, are far more likely to alter the schedule if the teen group is interested in doing something else. Carnival's directors are also able to relate to teens far better than RCI's. Carnival seeks younger, more energetic individuals whose interest is in working with TEENS 15-17 and not just drafting a member of their youth staff to "work teens" for the week.

Royal Caribbean's programs are developed in an entirely different method than Carnival's. Their programs are developed with the company "theme" in mind. Royal Caribbean is, an has for a long time, been known for their "adventure" theme found throughout the fleet. Their emphasis on activities onboard all ships like the flowrider, basketball courts, rock walls and sports & lap pools are just part of their program. Fuel/Optix/The Living Room/Fantaseas all have teen activities and directors who work closely with the Explorer Academy and Vitality programs to develop teen activities that open new opportunities for teens. The problem with this is that it's executed to different levels on different ships. On Voyager class ships, they host Scratch Academy 101. Voyager class vessels DO NOT have an onboard Scratch DJ, therefore the program is usually taught by one of the onboard DJs or the teen director. Both are talented but many simply do not posess the knowledge of the equipment in such a specialized field well enough to be instructing. Royal Caribbean's directors are another vice to the sucess of their program. Many of the "teen directors" onboard RCI ships are nothing more than youth staff. On the plus side (legally) though, teen directors for RCI must be 21 and possess a college degree. A teen specialist is usually onboard most of their ships, but it isn't guaranteed and without a teen specialist, theres no guarantee that any of the programs will be executed correctly or at all. Finally, Royal Caribbean has very...bland teen areas. On many of their larger ships, the teen club is less than 50 feet from the Aquanauts room for children 18-36 months and is actually next door to the voyagers room for 9-11....Not "Cool". Many of their teen centers are copies of eachother which...the intention is to create brand quality through the use of a continuous model throughout a class of ship, but from a teen whose been on many different ship...a different design isn't so bad every once in a while. Finally their clubs are usually located on the top, back of the ship away from all the common areas. Yes, the intention is to keep "undesirable teen activity" contained to an area that can be better controlled by deck officers and security should the teens become "rowdy", this way they won't disturb other guests....however I have a problem with that when theres no containment design for keeping the drunks away from teens who are just trying to enjoy a common area of the ship.

On the positive side, Royal Caribbean has instituted many new and innovative programs on their ships over the past couple of years. The DUSK and WAREHOUSE theme nights are awesome (when done properly) and their activities are usually unique over the ever common, battle of the sexes and dating game. Additionally, they've added unique concepts to their fleet like the "Fuel Unplugged" concept on ALL ships which provides 2 Electric Guitars, A Keyboard and an electronic drumset on each ship and lets teens who can play (and those who can't) jam out on real instruments rather than just video games. Most ships have also invested in professional versions of the rock band and guitar hero units which were designed to take a beating and use more metal than plastic. Also, many ships have full sized, metal DDR floors for competitions and more.

In conclusion, I think that each program has much to offer a teen market. I personally think that Carnival has and always will have a better teen club for strictly dancing and evening activity and I think that RCI will have a better program when it comes to "activities". Many teens are looking for a better evening experience and therefore, I belive that Carnival's programs will be more sucessful in pleasing their target audience if they continue to pursue innovation in their program. I tried to write this in an unbiased form, especially given my connection to carnival and the program.

I hope it provides some insight not only for the OP, but also to those of you who have questions about the programs.
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For me the BIGGEST ISSUE is the music. Karaoke, Electronic drums, Guitar (real, not rockband) are essencial to have on a ship. Teens will flock to try the electronic drums because theyre so damn fun, and teen musicians can meet people through playing. There can be like a talent night or something where you get to play if you can. It would be a great way to break ice too because Its like getting your face out there and seeing everybody at once. A big decision for me is being able to play guitar, or my guitar, and sing, and drum on a ship because music is a huge componant of my life. so one suggestion is to add even just ONE complete set of instruments to each of the newer ships, or even just the MAgic and Dream. I think it would be unique and something that could be advertised as well. It would definitely end the tie between RCCL and CCL because CCL is usually better but they dont have music... ALSO, definitely try to start doing one theme night, maybe the last night of the cruise, like the Warehouse or dusk parties. Just do one that lasts ALL THROUGH THE NIGHT as like a final BIG SHEBANG. just some suggestions.
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From my personal experience, the directors on Carnival were better, the actual teen facilites on Royal Caribbean were better.

On Carnival Victory several years ago, we couldn't even ever have dance parties or anything because O2 was right next to the spa and we'd have all the old dinosaurs (people who I would never suggest to sail on Carnival in the first place) complaining about the noise when they were trying to do whatever it is old people do in the spa. One night the teen director did get us out by the pools for a dance party out there and it was great, at least until it started to rain.

The director on Royal Caribbean had more of a babysitter attitude. The room itself was larger and better than Carnival, but she was just acting as though our parents were sending us there as if it were day care service.
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For me the BIGGEST ISSUE is the music. Karaoke, Electronic drums, Guitar (real, not rockband) are essencial to have on a ship. Teens will flock to try the electronic drums because theyre so damn fun, and teen musicians can meet people through playing. There can be like a talent night or something where you get to play if you can. It would be a great way to break ice too because Its like getting your face out there and seeing everybody at once. A big decision for me is being able to play guitar, or my guitar, and sing, and drum on a ship because music is a huge componant of my life. so one suggestion is to add even just ONE complete set of instruments to each of the newer ships, or even just the MAgic and Dream. I think it would be unique and something that could be advertised as well. It would definitely end the tie between RCCL and CCL because CCL is usually better but they dont have music... ALSO, definitely try to start doing one theme night, maybe the last night of the cruise, like the Warehouse or dusk parties. Just do one that lasts ALL THROUGH THE NIGHT as like a final BIG SHEBANG. just some suggestions.
The music is actually pretty standard across all ships and lines. I can actually list exactly what is playing at the moment. Instruments are hard to maintain, and of course, teens are more likely to mess with them. I can't say I've met any teen musicians onboard (and if I have, they were either not memorable, or did not present themselves as such). I would not base a decision to take a cruise on your ability to advertise your own music. While music is a big component of your life, cruises are a good opportunity not only to relax, but get out of your comfort zone as well. Save the music for when you get back stateside and enjoy meeting new people and experiencing new things.

Yes, music and instruments would be a great thing to have, but from my experience, only a minority would actually take advantage of them - cost outweighs use and/or benefit.

As for the all night party, keep in mind that the hours teen directors work are enormous. Essentially what you are asking is that after a week of 10am - 2am hours, that they pull an all nighter right before a fresh group of people come on. And this doesn't include the time spent with logistics of the program, such as planning the events, preparing the daily flyers, meetings with executives, etc... A human can only do so much in the hours given.
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Hey! So I have never actually been on either one of the cruises but since you're a director on the cruise I was wondering how strict you guys are on the age limitations. I will prObably be going on a carnival cruise in April ( so excited ) but it will be 1 and a half months away from my 15th birthday And I was wanting to go in club o2. I was wonder how strict you are with ages and if I wld be allowed in if my parents called or talked to the cruise director or I have heard I can get in with a high school ID card?? I will be goin on the cruise with my cousin who will be 15 already and I don't usually see her so I was wOndering about this so that both of us could dance at the o2 club.Any informAtion or way I could get into the club with speaking to the cruise staff would be greatly appreciated!!
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Lexi,
I'm just the teen host on here. I don't actually work for a cruise line, although my experience with the various lines is quite extensive. In any case, age is usually taken on a case by case basis. Try talking to the O2 director onboard on your first day on. If there are any issues, simply tell the director exactly what you just told me; you're a high school student, sailing with your cousin, and you'd appreciate some leniency. Of course, this all depends on how tightly the director follows the rules. I've had some that are super strict, and others that were super lenient. It all depends on the sailing and the crowd.

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