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Old February 16th, 2004, 11:43 AM
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Afternoon McCall.
Sorry so much to disappoint you but in just over a fortnight I am on my way over. One can only hope you are not on the same ship as me. If you took the trouble to read my posts you might actually understand that I do tip and often in excess of the suggested amounts but only extra if I have received service above and beyond that normally expected. I have taken the trouble to read a large number of posts and, almost without exception, yours are along the lines of how sorry we should feel for those hardworking crew and some even impart erroneous information. If a crew member on Marco Polo breaks an arm or leg in Antarctica (rough seas down there) then their contract is terminated and Orient Lines flies them home early.Princess certainly repatriates their crew but it helps if the Portuguese head waiter chooses to leave the ship in Lisbon. I cannot understand how any employer can promise to give any staff member tips at a certain rate when they are not guaranteed to receive that level of tips themselves; perhaps they contract to put the tips they receive in to a kitty for the staff? You can only pass on what you receive. Enough, enough, already.
Thanks Moai, I had a look at the NY Times link. At the end of the day I tend to follow whatever guidelines are given by the different lines themselves since they do vary a lot.
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Old February 18th, 2004, 02:12 PM
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Paul, here is a listing of a cruise ship job:
What ship are you going on in two weeks, I hope not the Golden Princess.

Dining Room Waiter/Waitress
Overview:
Serve passengers, keep menus clean, maintain cleanliness of tables and correct table settings, explain the dishes, make recommendations, supervise busboys assigned to those tables. Hours are long, typically 10-12 hours each day, seven days a week.
Reports directly to the Restaurant Manager.
Requirements:
Minimum one to two years hotel and/or restaurant or prior ship experience in related position.
Entry level position.
Salary Range & Contract Length:
$50 per month plus percentage of tips (average $1,500-2,200 per month).
6-9 months on board/4-8 weeks vacation.
Benefits & Perks:
Air travel and overnight hotel accommodations (if necessary) en-route and homeward bound are not provided.
Room & Board provided.
Free P & I Medical coverage in accordance with the respective Maritime Law.
Share cabin facilities provided.
Dining in crew mess.
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Old February 18th, 2004, 02:39 PM
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Hello I am going on a cruise in about 5 weeks, Grand Princess P&O . I work in a filthy dirty dangerous steel foundry making pipes for Oil, Water ,Sewage ,etc for rubbish money,and all used by waiters bar men etc. and I have never recieved a tip in my life ,and do not intend giving one ,The cost of the cruise as been hard earned and its for my wife that I am going .But this tipping lark is putting me off .
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Old February 18th, 2004, 04:49 PM
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Hi Poppy,
I sure hope you don't go out to eat in a nice restaurant and leave without tipping the waiter?? The tipping is part of the cost of cruising, I too work very hard for what I earn, but I still tip at least to the tipping guidelines. Read your cruise brouchures, the tipping quideline are in there, its a small price to pay for the service you'll receive.

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Old February 18th, 2004, 08:01 PM
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Poppy,

I bet even your rubbish money is more than $50. a month which is ALL the service staff on the ship is PAID other than tips.
I hope your wife enjoys her cruise.
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Old February 19th, 2004, 11:40 AM
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My cousin a doctor in Ukraine only earns 20$ a month but its relative to where he lives . The cruise liner quoted the price of the cruise in the Brochure .I paid it .
This tipping thing is going to ruin my Holiday . I would not dream of asking someone else to carry my bags ,But now I am reading on here if you tote your own bag the porters have a habit of mislaying your bags .
How much do I tip the captain?. What happens if you Tip to much ,or not Enough ,or not at all, do you get turfed off the ship ?. If A.tips more than B .does A get served first .
Like I posted prieviously I earn poor wages for what I do, I have been in the job to long to quit so I grin and bear it .Like the Boss says they are the wages the choice is yours ,you are quite free to leave .He would be well miffed if I went harrassing customers for tips because I think he pays poorly.
I think its degrading the person for me to give a few dollars because they cleaned my room That they are already being paid for I would not demean anyone like that .
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Old February 19th, 2004, 11:46 AM
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Hi McCall.
Looks like we are both in luck since I'm on Island Princess!
Believe me I hear and understand completely what the deal for staff on cruise ships is but, strangely enough, so did the staff before they signed up; to my knowledge the idea of being press ganged went out several hundred years ago!
If you read some of my other posts on different threads they can be summarised along those lines. i.e. it is not slave labour.
Equally the prospect of earning $25000 a year to a Bulgarian ,Turk, Indian or Phillipino is immensely attractive - far more so than to an American or Englishman but I have met staff of those nationalities on ships. Just imagine how far a dollar will go in those countries; they know which is why they are there not at home with their families. I even met an Italian head waiter, and that is not that cheap a country, who had managed to save sufficient to buy his own restaurant just outside Pompeii. He had worked hard for a few years but boy did it pay off.
The other perk you missed off your list is the recreational facilities and crew bar. I checked up on what they paid for drinks and asked if I could go down there the prices were so low and they did have sufficient time off to enjoy themselves.
Me, I would not do their job but, if I were a lot younger, the idea of one of the backroom or even front desk jobs might just have been attractive. I remember meeting an English reception desk manager who had been with RCI for about 4 years and had seen the world. She was with her Mother on a shore excursion which she had arranged to "escort " but we didn't see much of her or her Mother. I also got the impression that she had got a staff rate for her Mother's ticket but given the level of discounting going on had probably paid too much.
It' a big, wide world with a lot of different people in it and long may it remain so. I just want to see a little more before mass tourism ruins it.
Cheers Paul.
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Old February 19th, 2004, 01:20 PM
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You all are starting to change my mind about the tipping process to the point I'm beginning to believe it might be better to just add the $10 per day tip onto the ticket price. So our tickets will be $70 more per person per week and the cruiseline can give this to the crew members.

Somehow or another folks, these service people have to get paid decent money for them to stay. Simple fact, if everyone stiffs them on the tip, they go home. They go home, no cruising anymore. Then the cruiseline will pay them more to stay and we no longer get cheap tickets. If we're not tipping them the service deteriorates. What incentive is there for a person to work hard for you when they are not working for tips?

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Old February 19th, 2004, 04:33 PM
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Thomas,
You have many valid points, bottom line, tip....

As for Poppy, I'm sure you make more than $50 a month.. Would you rather the cruislines increase the prices to include the tips, you'd be in the same boat so to speak...

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Old February 19th, 2004, 06:01 PM
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Hey if you are not going to tip you're not but

"I think its degrading the person for me to give a few dollars because they cleaned my room That they are already being paid for I would not demean anyone like that ."

That is the crappiest excuse I have seen on these boards yet.

and if the whole tipping subject ruins your cruise, there is a reason and it isn't this board.
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Old February 19th, 2004, 06:11 PM
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I agree that the money goes further in many of the countries the crew are from. and that it is not slave labor, and that the crew chose these jobs as the best way to get ahead,
But if everyone were to NOT tip them as some here have said, then the $50 a month would in fact be slave labor, and of course no one would sign up to work on cruise ships.
I am in favor of everyone cruising paying reasonable tips to the crew that serves them and works hard doing so.
I am also in favor of reporting it when someone is not doing their job or you have some other problem, and removing a tip to a certain individual under those circumstances makes perfect sense.

I just don't see why anyone should think these people should not be tipped.
Whether we like the way the cruise lines do the paying the help thing, thereby keeping cruise costs low but relying on passengers to pay reasonable tips, it is what it is.
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Old February 19th, 2004, 10:51 PM
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I am not sure where all of you dine, but the service I have received on all of my 19 cruises far exceeds that which I have received in resturants on the shore.

Of course, I really haven't dined in the finest resturants. However, if I did, the price of the dinner and the tips I would have to pay would far exceed the tips I pay on the cruise.

I love it when the waiter knows what my wishes are every night and is always ready to take care of my special needs. I have always tipped more than the suggested amount, and I consider it part of the price of my cruise.
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Old February 20th, 2004, 09:44 AM
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The way to do it is the Cruise liners pay a fair wage and include it in the Brochure price, They then ban Tipping on board and everyone gets treated the same .The custom of tipping seems to be an American thing ,an American on another message board told me the reason for giving tips is to give you the edge on service ,
So Mc,call can tip 5$ and some one as tipped 10$ the 10$ tip gets service first .Where as you take your turn is the fairest way .
I still do not Know how much to tip the Captain.
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Old February 20th, 2004, 11:40 AM
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Since the tips are distributed at the end of or even after the cruise, I don't think your McCall tips $5. and other passenger $10 and they get first service holds water.

I do have a thought on what you should do to tip the Captain, but I will keep it to myself.
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Old March 1st, 2004, 12:33 PM
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Just so the captain doesn't tip over the ship!
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Old March 20th, 2004, 10:13 AM
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I am not taking sides but I have one question. When you stay at a hotel do you leave a tip for the maid in the morning? I'm sure they do not get paid very well either and they work hard cleaning all the rooms. I would guess that most people just pack thier bags and check out without giving it a thought.

The cruise lines have a classic Catch-22 with thier employees. They tell them they are working for tips and then make the passengers feel guilty if they do not tip the workers. The cruise industry gets essentially free labor because we (cruise passengers) are paying the workers salary. As the cruise lines charge more and more for alcohol, soda, and place surcharges on (as a test right now) on certain restaurants (Johnny Rockets on the Royal Carribean as an example) the argument that the passenger have to foot the bill for the cruise employees doesn't hold up.

When I go to dinner the tip is based on the total bill, not the number in the party. How would you like to go to dinner at a Chilis and have to tip 15 percent for each member of the group? With a party of 4 and a bill of $40 your tip would be around $24!

Now that I look back over my post I guess I am taking sides.
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Old March 21st, 2004, 10:27 AM
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Think about it this way:

Let's say you decide to go with the recommended $10 per person/per day. $6.50 of that goes to the dining staff. That's $6.50 divided by 3 meals (no matter *where* you eat, you are eating...). That's a little over $2.00 per meal in tips for the dining staff.

Seems reasonable to me...

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On a Carnival cruise we went on 4 years ago, the waitperson said he gets paid $500. a month plus tips, and his wife, who is a bartender gets the same. They send all of it home (to the Philippeans) for his family to start a restaurant. On a Princess cruise we took 2 years ago the cabin person got about the same amount (I forget exaclty how much). We didn't ask on the other cruises. I am surprised when reading some of these posts about the $50.00 per month. I wonder if it is different cruise lines, inaccurate information or something. By the way, we do tip!
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Old March 29th, 2004, 09:52 AM
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I really don't believe the $500 a month figure. $50 a month with free transportation to and from the ship is probably acurate.
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Old March 30th, 2004, 12:44 PM
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I know a lot of people will disagree but here I go

I plan on taking the automatic tip off my credit card at the start of the trip
I will tip the waiter, cabin steward etc at the end of the trip maybe even more than the sugeesed amount
But by no means is a slacker going to get the same as a hard worker
On my last cruise they wanted me to tip the matrie d
I never even met the guy so he got nothing and my waiter who worked extermly hard got his share plus his own

My cabin steward was terrible to us did not make the beds 1 time no towel animals
and no beach towels. We never met him
Our family in the next cabin had a differnt seward and got better service she made a point of even leaving a note each day to see if anything special was required they also met him seveal times
My cabin steard got a tip not the sugeesed amount but a tip. I know my family tiped there stard more than the suggessed amount
I think this is fair if you choose this job do it happily and your best and you will be rewarded don't just expect to slack and get the same as a hard worker
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Old March 30th, 2004, 10:24 PM
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Ok,Ok,Ok Here is what I plan I tip 20% and sometime more for good service when I eat out. I know what they make at resturants 1/2 the min wage however what they do not make up in tips then the make the min wage, So I plan to pay my cabin person 20.00 per day and the waiter 10,00 per day. Hows that. I will be on cruise for 7 days.
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Old April 1st, 2004, 10:25 AM
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On Costa's mediterannea my tips were not added to my final bill and after complainning to service desk I was told that it was a computer mistake and my credit card would be billed the amount plus tips.What a frig-up, I have a strong feeling that my cabin stuwart and restaurant servers are not going to received their hard earned tip money.Shame on You Costa.The best way to remedie this is to pay the individuals personally which is what I should have done, but I did not foresee this and my wallet was near empty at end of cruise. I did however leave them some green cash which I think is the only tip they will receive.
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you are crazy if you think these people get paid $50. You are being naive. Besides if you include gratuities in your trip payment, do you still have to tip???????????
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