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Thank you for the reassurance about the tipping. We probably "over" tipped some but we were comfortable with it. If the taxi came to $25 CDN then we would give that to them in US figuring it was about $20 US with a $5 tip....for meals we just put it on our credit card because they will convert it later and then we would leave a cash tip. Everyone was so friendly, helpful and always smiling...we really enjoyed our Vancouver stay and look forward to returning next month!

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We will welcome you back - with open arms and open hands lol. Living here we don't appreciate the beauty of the area - but looking at it from the perspective of a "tourist" is totally different We are going on the Sapphire repo cruise in September and I am in contact with lots of fellow cruisers on that one - and it is interesting to see what they want to do when they come here.

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Going on our first cruise from US I am now totally uptight about the tipping business. We hace previously sailed in the Med with British tour operators. The first time we were given envelopes at the end of the cruise to tip wait and room staff. After that tips were included in the fare and you could tip extra if you thought the service merited it. We did this. We are now sailing with princess and will have $10 each added daily to our account. If we get good service we may tip extra but I don't think you should "bribe" your severs by tipping in advance. Some of the tips given seem way too much to me.
Having read above all the people you are expected to tip on your way from airport via hotel to ship to cabin I am horrified. I think we will have to take out a loan!
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As a member of the "Tip-crazy Americans" I wanted to relate a funny$$$ story that happened in Canada when we visited a few years ago and stayed at a resort in Kimberly BC. We had ordered a pizza from a delivery place and when the pizza came, I handed my wad of Canadian Currency to my husband (probably about $50 Canadian) and asked him to pay. He just handed the guy the ENTIRE wad of money, didn't count, didn't ask. . .closed the door and remarked how happy the delivery guy seemed to be and said I must have given him a good tip YOU THINK?? It was over a $30 tip, so I imagine the guy WAS pretty happy. My husband is almost a TokyoRose kind of guy about tips, so at least he got the experience of seeing a service person who felt appreciated for once!
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Hazelton, Jennifer,

You have posted incorrect information. No one in British Columbia is paid less then minimum wage( legally) working in a restaurant. Min. wage is 8 dollars and hour.
Please let me know the name of the restaurant that pays less then min. I will report them . I have worked in the business for over twenty years, and have never heard on anyone getting less then min. wage unless they work for family!

Canadains as a rule DO tip. We just do not tip as much as Americans. Here 15% is considered the norm, with 20% considered generous.
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p.g. I know several "servers" who definately receive less than minmum hourly wage here in B.C. The tips are factored in to what they are paid - whether they actually get the tips or not. One of the most popular chains is the worst offender - but I won't name names - I just tip well to make up for it. And, no, it is not a family restaurant - but the family that originally owned it made a lot of money lol.

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Jennifer, I am sorry, but I can't unerstand why you are protecting a law breaker.( unless you have no actual proof and the person you know is unwilling to sign a complaint) There is a minimum wage law here in B.C. and I can only think that you may have met one person who worked for a crooked family run place. It would be impossible for a business to file a tax return without falsifying it if they were not paying the legal wage. The ramifications are quite damaging to any business.

Minimum wage in B.C. is 8 dollars an hour for anyone. Some large hotels are union and the wage is much higher.
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To tip or not to tip is the question actually...

Having good service which goes above and beyond the normal service(s) renedered and PAID already for is a reason for givving added revenues to the staff.

EG: Bus drivers (vans) in Las Vegas, Nevada have made over $75,000 a year even without btips and working part time.. they are used to just getting a George Washington ($1.00) ... I have seen vans saying a Mandatory $5.00 TIP((?)) is required in there glass jar.. thats when they get NOTHING ..NDA..ZILTCH..


If a person, couple and/or group wants to TIp yes let them.. or not as well...

A PERSONAL CHOICE.

In the Year of our LORD 2006 A.D. here in the Federal Republic of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA there have been a few Court Cases even in 2005 .. with the rulling the place that serve food are not owed any funds concerning tipping. If the person booking the function wants to tip they can or NOT. It is NOT REQUIRED.

Having poor services provided is not a reason to tip... how is any staff memeber going to know they did a great job??

Holland American Lines before Carnival Cruise line bought bthem had a NO TIPPING Required Policy but we tipped as so did so many others too.. and each person we tipped well did say thank you and thats what really feels great when you provide a reason for them to do it gain and again giving great service above and beyond there already paid for duties... ....
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In the Year of our LORD 2006 A.D. here in the Federal Republic of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA there have been a few Court Cases even in 2005 .. with the rulling the place that serve food are not owed any funds concerning tipping. If the person booking the function wants to tip they can or NOT. It is NOT REQUIRED.
There are also many cases where the IRS investigate "service industry workers", where tips are the norm. This is because it is understood that those service workers will make a certain % of their income via gratuties.

In fact there have been cases in the past where gratuity income was assumed, even when it wasn't declared.
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American here in full agreement that tipping is out of hand.

Gosh - all someone has to do is stand near you and you are expected to tip.
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Hi Kuki,

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There are also many cases where the IRS investigate "service industry workers", where tips are the norm. This is because it is understood that those service workers will make a certain % of their income via gratuties. In fact there have been cases in the past where gratuity income was assumed, even when it wasn't declared
This happened to a friend of ours when the new rules came out (quite a long time ago). She was a waitress (and not very good at it ) at a popular steak house. When the paychecks came out after the first month she owed the company and the IRS money! Needless to say, she found another job.
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Kuki,

[There are also many cases where the IRS investigate "service industry workers", where tips are the norm. This is because it is understood that those service workers will make a certain % of their income via gratuties.

In fact there have been cases in the past where gratuity income was assumed, even when it wasn't declared, quote]


Yes the IRS has and does.

Thats not what I was reffering to too.

In New York State Superior Court a few cases were won by the Plantifs that felt ((So called)) Tips added already upon the billing were not acceptable.

So having an event such as a diiner party, wedding or Weeding *S*, birthday, Christianing, Bar/Basmitzfa... does not allow the added so called gratuity... service charges... etc... added to the bill without consent/approval of the party Paying the Bill...

Paying for poor services alows them again and again to reap the fees/funds and have the shoody poor services repeated... if you were the owner would you not hear from the Staff concerning this and then make methods of the staff at least providing consistant quality services.. then getting Tips/Fees for that and peaople giving tips in addition ...



As even today in the Greater NYC area with record Snowfalls of over 23 Inches coming down would you tip the people plowing your lots that did not even come or did 1/4 of the lot agreed upon?

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Wow, there is a lot of dissention going on in this thread. Some very good points are raised though too.

Let's not forget that Americans are not the only ones taking cruise vacations so the practice of tipping does not JUST involve American policies. Every country is unique in its service industry and I think everyone should respect their rituals so to speak when you travel.

I do believe hospitality workers are underpaid, but don't blame the whole industry based on a few that unappreciate your "gift" to them for their service. I too experienced this treatment on my last cruise after giving out the tips, but I am not bitter enough to not take another cruise.

Just have fun, and remember all those memories you received after traveling!
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Just so you know, in the US you are expected to cliam your tips and pay taxes on them, and whether you do so or not is not the employer's business or problem. Therefore, they are not aiding an abetting a crime.

Secondly, Europeans need to realize that when they come to AMERICA that they should follow AMERICAN customs, which include extending a gratuity to a service provider.

Thirdly, Unless you are redy to double the price of your cruise vacation, cruise lines will not be able to pay their crew more, and you should be happy that these people work for what they do***edited to romove personal attack***.[/quote]
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I realise this last post is quite a bit old, but so was the second last one, when the poster in question responded.

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Just so you know, in the US you are expected to cliam your tips and pay taxes on them, and whether you do so or not is not the employer's business or problem. Therefore, they are not aiding an abetting a crime.
Out of curiosity, how exactly do you "claim" a tip? If I choose not to tip what are you going to do about it?

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Secondly, Europeans need to realize that when they come to AMERICA that they should follow AMERICAN customs, which include extending a gratuity to a service provider.
That's nice. It's also irrelevent, since we're not talking about going to AMERICA. We're talking about going on a CRUISE, which may or may not be in AMERICA.

It's also BS - just because everyone else decided to jump off a cliff, doesn't mean I'm going to follow suit. Whether I go the New York, Lisbon, Toronto, Paris, or Madrid, I'm going to decide for myself what customs I'm going to take part in. I'm not going to eat frogs in France, or weird tapas in Madrid.


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Thirdly, Unless you are redy to double the price of your cruise vacation, cruise lines will not be able to pay their crew more, and you should be happy that these people work for what they do***edited to romove personal attack***.
You're being dramatic here. I think it would be more accurate if you used the word "increase" instead of "double". I am personally happy for any service provider to charge their customer enough to pay their staff.

I would be happier for the cruise line to add an extra $20/day(which seems to be double the suggested tip) to the price of the cruise, and pay their staff, rather than underpaying their staff, and asking me to compensate for that.
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Out of curiosity, how exactly do you "claim" a tip? If I choose not to tip what are you going to do about it?
Here in the US servers must claim their tips to the IRS. There's some kind of formula that every restaurant must use to report tips. (I hope someone else can explain this more clearly.)

When this first came into effect I had a friend who was a server. On her first check she actually owed the restaurant money! (That was the end of her server career!)
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OH, the unseen retaliation, bad karma you'll get. This isn't Wal-Mart, nor US Airlines nor a chain hotel. Display that US notorious clueless arrogance. Customs, practice and a competitive industry forced to pitch and sell you everything to make a buck. With over 2000 passengers, the ship will have close to 1000 workers doing everything, most you don't see, folding linens, like those mariners stuck in the hull rowing.
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Per Thomas's quote: If they are audited, they will be required to report their tips as income and pay their tax. Unless something has changed in the last few years, the IRS would systematically assume the server earned 10% of the revenues he/she served that day in tips.

I waited tables a few years ago, and here's the gist:
If you dont want to be audited, each night you must also claim -at the very least- the amount left to you in credit card tips (less tip share in restaurants where you must pay out a percentage of sales to bartender, host and bussers).

The IRS can tell very quickly that you are lying if your credit card tips average $50 a night, yet you claim $25

Now my 2 cents regarding tipping:
Tipping a service person upfront means many things to many different people. To some it is insulting and means I am a tightwad making a big show for my date. Do expect me to sneak away and take your daily tip off my tab. To others it means, I am going to be demanding, and this $10 means I expect you to bend over backwards at my whim. Then of course, there are those who think you are lovely and generous and appreciate all of the work service people do in front of and behind the scenes.

About people not being, "thankful" enough for tips: After a long hard cruise, I bet these people are pooped and ready to go home. They may have whooped and hollered when getting your generous tip, but as time passed got back into the grind. I never tip FOR the thank you, I tip AS the thank you.

On a funny note, when waiting tables, a fairly common occurence was for someone to pay with cash and loudly exclaim, "Keep the change!!". If that happened, that just gives us fairwarning to hustle back and check out the damage. On $200 charge, sometimes you would get like a $2 tip. In these instances, I ALWAYS went back to the table, and with my biggest smile exclaimed, "Here's your change!" whilst placing the singles in front of the bill payer. I would say nearly 100% of the time the person would leave a better tip.

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I never tip FOR the thank you, I tip AS the thank you.
Great words. I do find that many people give tips for their own gratification rather than to say thank you for a job well done. They then believe the person they tipped should grovel and be their new best friend because they gave a thank you for a job well done. It's like people who think they should be given a thank you for a "Thank You" card.


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I don't know if someone has made this comment .
If they paid the staff a wage where tipping was not required.
You'd find the cost so high that cruising would be for the
very rich and not for the average person.
If you want to look at a cruise line where tipping is not required.
Look at the cost of a cruise on Regent Seven Seas.

My sister says that they should pay the staff a decent wage.
My question would you cruise if they did ?
Answer "As long as the price stayed the same" . It's highly unlikely that prices would be so low. The cruise price would at least triple or more.
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If the tip equalled the price rise no problem....it's only a service charge anyway.
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Some cruise lines have made the tip a service charge. Therefore it can't be removed or changed.

It is put into the final payment .
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Contrary to rumour we in the UK do tip, just not so much that's all & staff don't "expect" it as a right. To tip 10/15% would be grossly abnormal in a restaurant & people who don't travel much tend not to tip at all. I am waiting to see what sort of outrage is expressed with Celebrity Eclipse sailing out of Southampton this year. Non cruisers are actually horrified at the amounts expected & having virtually compulsory tips debited from your account or paid up front is absolutely beyond their belief!!
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As a cruiser I realize what a bargain my cruise is and tipping on a cruise ship is more than fair considering your paying for three plus meals a day.. What I DO FIND OFFENSIVE is Americans who slip waiters, etc. or leave extra $$ at meals.. There already is a service charge.. Don't know if Paul or Kuki realize that in St. Thomas several years ago there was a survey taken of cruise personnel and the "out front" staff that we see are paid very, very well. Their money for the most part is sent home to t heir families to buy a business and send their children to school. It's the people you do not see or pay attention to.. the dishwashers, the engine room people and staff behind the scenes who are probably very underpaid.. Remember, the cruise staff receives lodging, food, uniforms, health care, etc. But what American would want to work at least six months on a contact before getting a day off or seeing their families. It was tried on NCL and their Hawaii itinerary and it didn't work. . Most Americans don't want to clean toilets and make beds.. Somewhere I've read because of the European philosophy and habit of not tipping...the cruise lines are quietly trying to address this problem to satisfy the hard working staff members on cruise shipsl
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It is basically common knowledge that the tipped staff make a base salary of $50 - $75 per month and the rest of their compensation comes from tips. This compensation can add up to $20,000 - $30,000 per contract.

Sounds good, but they also work 14 - 16 hours a day, every day. There aren't many American's or many other nationalities who are willing to do that and NCLA made that a valid point.

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Willing to work on a ship? don't know ....but you never see the jobs advertised do you? My view is that it isn't a case of Europeans not willing to do it, we don't get the chance. You do see some Eastern Europeans but not many, & remember people from countries regarded as "poorer" are flocking to the UK & will do literally anything, given the choice of picking potatoes in sub zero conditions for 12 hours a day for slave wages or working on a ship I know what I would do.
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It is basically common knowledge that the tipped staff make a base salary of $50 - $75 per month and the rest of their compensation comes from tips. This compensation can add up to $20,000 - $30,000 per contract.

Sounds good, but they also work 14 - 16 hours a day, every day. There aren't many American's or many other nationalities who are willing to do that and NCLA made that a valid point.

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There is no doubt in my mind that Americans would not be working the way other nationalities do on cruise ships. Just for instance... if you figure out what a waiter makes per guest, per week. and a good waiter usually has more or about three tables...that's not bad..Please, they deserve every penny they make trying to make us happy. Many have contracts longer than six months.. We all know what tips means.. TO INSURE PROMPT SERVICE.. You and I must agree that an even $12.00 a day tip for a waiter is peanuts to what we would pay on land for one meal in a high end restaurant.. There are many times (most of the time) when we have added extra $$.. It;s in the cost of my cruising experience.. What I find abhorrent is the Americans (and I have seen it) at dinner leaving extra $$., I do understand, although I'm not a big drinker slipping the bartender an extra dollar or two.. I do have a friend whose daughter works for NCL and is in "Management" I'm sure she gets paid well (she's been working for them for many years) but she one of those that has various positions on ships...including and her mother and I laugh, cabaret singer when needed. If your going on the Epic.. you will see one of her productions.
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Tipping to the levels Americans do seems ridiculous to most other nationalities, we think that people take the jobs & should just do the job right, that's it. Nobody has given me any sort of service that was not just part of their job, they do the cabin, they serve dinner, that is their job isn't it? Don't get me wrong, we tip at least the recommended amounts, usually more but not because we think the service has been good, because we know it is expected. We regard it as a service charge & just swallow it.
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A waiter would love to receive the full $12/day.

The $12/day is divided between the waiter, asst waiter, steward and on some lines the Head Waiter, Head Housekeeper and behind the scenes crew.

The waiter ends up with about $3/pp/day.

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Yes, it maybe their "job".. but unless your a neatnick I so appreciate a room steward cleaning up after me, folding clothes, providing clean towels (extra), etc.. that I accept the "service charge".. Do know of an instance just last year when a couple pulled all their tips, because they did not eat in the dining room at all and when it was noted on their card..suddenly their room steward was all over them apologizing for any lack of service.. Yes, they did tip the waitress that they became fond of in the buffet area and the room steward.. I myself cannot see why Maitre D's get an envelope...just because they come over and check to see if everything is okay.. it's the waiter and the bus boy that in my opinion do the work. then there is the Household supervisor...

On the other hand I have heard so many stories of especially newlyweds who never go to the last meal so they don;t have to tip..
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