Jennifer, how would adding $70 to the price of a one week cruise fare per person make it so that only the super-rich could cruise? I doubt that anyone would notice the difference.
It would be a bloody sight better than seeing these tipping arguments all the time.
A tip is not mandatory, it is at the discretion of the person receiving the service, when it becomes required, it is not a tip, but a service charge. Once there is a mandatory service charge, there is no reason for it not to be part of the fare.
Peter - I think you mis-read what I wrote. I said if the cruise lines paid a "living wage" to their staff - then only the rich could afford to cruise. I'm talking minimum wage - like $7.00 an hour instead of the $50 a week they pay now. The OP said they were on a tight budget - if the tip was included in the price ($70 pp per week) they would have spent $140 more per couple per week on the cruise in the first place - and been on a even tighter budget. You Worte " I doubt if anyone would notice the difference" - I believe the OP would notice the difference. It's 6 of one - half a dozen of the other.
I am interested in opinions as to if its best to have the tips added to your account or to opt out and give the money direct to the people concerned.
This way they get the money quicker, know that you appreciate them as they see the money before you leave.
MikeN - from what I have read whether you leave the tips on your account or pay cash - it all goes into the "pool" to be shared. But if you pay cash over and above what you leave on your account - they get to keep the "extra" for themselves, without pooling it. I'm not sure how long it takes before they actually get the money in hand. TTFN Jennifer
"my husband and i have just booked a cruise on the sapphire princess sydney-bangkok for next march and we noticed that the tips are not included in the price we are travelling on a tight budget and was wondering how we go about not paying the tips.
kind regards from the UK."
Your boss wants to know how he could go about not paying you for the work you do.
Hi H & A.
You really have to figure in those tips, those staff members that serve you through your cruise depend on those tips and are well deserved. Basically if you can't handle the tips, you should think about a different kind of vacation, we always budget in the tips, its just part of the cruising package. I certainly hope you are able to budget those tips, that is the main source of income for those that will go out of their way to make your vacation wonderful, so I hope you re-consider and tip accordingly.
You are right, most of us don't think that way, but there are a few, no wonder some of the cruiselines automatically put the tips on your sign/sail card, bet many were getting stiffed too often?? At least thats, my thoughts.
I am new to this post a message idea, but I read your message and wanted to ask you a few questions. I have been considering working on a cruise ship, but while doing research I am not getting clear cut answers which concern me. For example, pay, living conditions, length of hours you work, and if you have days off like a land job.
With the comment you made about how they hardly make any money and depend on tips only. I thought you might be able to help me, since I have never been on a cruise for leisure before.
i accidentally stumbled across this page, let me tell ya, its both entertaining and sad to read some of the stuff on here.i work for a cruiseline, and have done for 4 years now, do 10 month contracts, and work 13 hours EVERY DAY unless ive been a good boy to collect enough points from sales to earn a day off, then i only work maybe 7-8 hours.just wanted to clarify a few things, because there are many facts people are not told.the price of the cruise doent pay for our salaries, our salary is $50 a month!!!! the cost of the cruise pays for the price of the ship, which nowadays is around $1 billion per ship, though the oasis and the allure of the seas were $2 BILLION...it also pays for the 100+tons of fuel the ship burns every DAY...it also pays for fees for docking in port...like a parking ticket..not much you might say, to stop in monte carlo for a day costs a minimum of $50 thousand, though heard a story, one year the port (which they book a year or 2 in advance) just happened to host the F1 monaco GP, so the company paid over $200 thousand, to stop there for a day...it also pays for the hundreds of tons of food you guys eat in a cruise.servers salaries are made up of gratuity charges, and service charges, ie. how much revenue we generate...corkage fee...yes its 20 bucks, get over it...walk into olive garden with your own bottle of wine, theyll politely tell you in italian to F OFF, the door is that way...its not a house party where you bring your own drinks to make it cheaper for the host...its my restaurant, you eat my food, enjoy my selrvice, so pay for my drinks, or the small fee we charge for smuggling your own drinks onboard.ive had a group of passengers once, brought vodka once in water bottles.the night went on, got louder and instead of saying thanks, all i dot was..the light wasnt shining in the middle of the table, and the choice of champagne is horrible, cos besides prosecco, moet and don perignon, there is no more champagne onboard, call the maitre d at once, this is disgusing...aaaand i got told off for not pleasing the passenger...their own cheap vodka wasnt enough...its frustrating to have to sell you guys things every 5 seconds, when we just want you to enjoy yourselves, but if we dont, we get warnings for poor sales, and get paid less..oh and no days off.ive had a "guest" tell me on the first night of the cruise,they will not drink anything from the bar, just free water and they have cancelled their service charge, just so i know...what could i do? just smile and say no problem, when in fact that person just told me, i will be working for them for free for the next 12 days.anybody fancy doing that guys? bad economy and all..go work for free for the next 2 weeks? not so nice is it? though i might try it some day.walk into a nice restaurant, have everything changed, incl the steak, cos im ignorant and don't actually know what a medium cooked steak is, then at the end of it all, stand up, say thanks in italian to sound cool, and walk out.ive had one of my colleagues fired because after the passenger promising to come visit him the next morning and "take care" of him,they didnt, and accidentally bumping into each other during disembarkation, the passenger ignored said crewmember, when greeted by him, so he made a sarcastic comment.poor passenger so offended, turned around, went back to the info desk, made a complaint and the crewmember was fired the same day.when you have 20 people to serve 6 courses and drinks in 1hour40 mins, its not easy...especially when people ask for special things, like...i want lobster every night...tutto benne, and after 2 weeks they look me in the eye, shake my hand and as farewell, say, they hope ill be serving them again next cruise...ive worked like an ass for nothing...yes its a job we take, and know the circumstances, its not just about money, its also about passenger satisfaction...except if nobody cares about our satisfaction, how can they expect 5 star service? ive been issued a formal warning once because somebody complained i wasnt smiling at 6am...i mean they were right, i should have, and probably would have, if i hadnt finished work midnight the previous day, so sleep 4 hours....people are selfish, demanding, inconsiderate jerks sometimes.10 dollars a day?perhaps you dont have to pay for the food, just the service to recieve the food, but ask yourself....how much does a lobster cost? ive once had a table of 4 passengers eat TWENTY on the night it was on....how much is a nice steak, say fillet mignon? how much is an escargot? how much is a glass of champagne you get complimentary on some nights?and i mean you cant put a price on all the jokes and magic tricks...i genuinely do them cos i love my job, and most people appreciate the work we do.but its an industry where that work is appreciated with a few bucks a day.i mean id happily have you come clean my room (which on deck 2 is as big as your bathroom on the ship)or work a day instead of me if thats what youd prefer, but sadly its not possible...to the theory about cancelling service charges and then paying in envelopes..quick clarifications...ALL dining staff on the last night of the cruise, when they get the envelopes, declare them to their head waiters, its why we ask for cabin numbers so they can keep track.if you do not cancel your service charge, we get that money back...if you cancel, it will be added to the collective "pool" so that everyone gets a little share of it.some say its fair, some dont.i mean you're rewarding a waiter who works in a different dining room and never even served you, instead of the guy who did.where is the problem? the guests who choose this option, or the system and the companies who do this?irrelevant. this is how it is...to the funny comments about americans not tipping, yeah they do, even if you go to a mall, i once saw 1 dollar notes left n the table in the food court for the people cleaning the tables after you..its hard, cos many places like uk and australia don't have a tipping culture so they simply don understand the system we work in....perhaps they should be educated.also about how and what to eat..dont blame me and my sanitation levels if you puke and are confined to your cabin, when you just ate a 6 course dinner enough to feed a starving family of 10 in a 3rd world country.yes, if you cannot afford to tip, dont cruise, OR dont go complaining if youre only recieving a 1 star service, or becuse your waiter was yawning or not smiling.i mean its only 300 more days till he goes home to see his children, right?youre VERY lucky...in the old days, if you complained about several things, the maitre d would ban you from the restaurant..buffet service only...and if you moaned even more, the captain would disembark you in the next port of call, find your own way home...yup...on flights, you get onboard, they tell you to sit down, seatbelt on and shut up or youre left behind and people are fine with this (when even flight is kinda vacationing) yet are upset about a 10 dollar service charge when youve had the level of service you didnt even know existed for the last...however long? and one last thing..if theres fire, who puts it out?the crew..if pirates try and attack and rob you, who stops them? the crew.if the ship sinks, who will be saving your lives? us the waiters and crew below us, its why once a week, on top of the 13 hours, we have a 2 hour boat drill for various emergency scenarios....the friendly officers will give us instructions by radio, but WE will be the ones to come rescue you from your cabin and carry you down from deck 14 to deck 7 lifeboat muster station if the S**T hits the fan....serve you breakfast, give you port info and tell you how to save money off taxi drivers, do a few magic tricks and jokes and if the time comes, save your lives?......time to wake up ladies and gents...its the loveboat, so please come, and enjoy everything onboard..make love, not war.and pay that stupid 10 dollars instead of gamble it away in the casino.bonaseira
Hi , I sort of agree with most of the posts on tipping on Princess ( or most US cruise lines ) As a British cruising couple ( 15+ now ) on both British & US ships, we have found that the cultures of both countries come into play. As in the US service wages are low, and tips for good service are expected. This keeps the level of service high, where in many instances in the UK service can be poor. When booking with P&O, Thomson, you can expect little or no additional 'hidden' charges and pay normal pub prices for drinks, but are expected to tip individual good service. With US cruises, prices may appear lower, however expect to add 15% to all bar charges and $11-12 per person per day for gratuities ( tips ) You can choose to have this taken off at reception on your first day and tip as you receive the good service or if you are happy to pay, leave s is and enjoy your cruise. We have cruised NCL and paid the pre gratuity, only to find the room steward, room service & table waiters all expected more. We normally pay £60-70 out for tips on a 7 day cruise. Booked on the Ocean Princess in 2 weeks time for 8 nights and worked out 'tips' come to £120 per couple. On this occasion we will be going to cancel and pay as we see fit. As for exchange rate being good for us Brits, I don't see $1.50-£1.00 being good at present. Also why do US ships have 'booze police' just in case you 'smuggle' a £5 bottle of wine on board ? Isn't 15% on top of the bar bill enough ? Tip- If you want to bring your own drinks onto to US ships- do it on the first day of embarkation - they are far too busy to worry about the odd bottle !
Just returned from a Princess cruise. Princess and P&O sailing from Australian ports do not apply the compulsory tipping, here in Australia tipping is notsomething we do. So no gratuities applied to bar purchases, it is left up to the individual as to who they want to tip. But supprizingly Australian are the most popular with the crew as they are on cruises the biggest tippers. Worst, USA and UK.
But thye cannot make you pay gratuities if you do not want to there is no law to cover this, you may sign a waiver to avoid.
Some shipping companiesa charge the gratuities so they pay a lower rate of pay to crew.
A very good friend of mine is Hotel manager with Princess and gives me all the advice I need on this one.
In reply to 123. You do not say which line you are with or what your staus is. In 1960 I joined the Merchant navy as a junior waiter, in those days you had one hour to serve a five course meal, clear away and reset for the next lot. Working up to 14 hours a day was normal, and that was with P&O.
Your wage scale does not appear to equate to what some waiters on Princess have told me the earn, yes the bar staff are on low wages but get 10% of all drinks they sell. One tols me he can easily earn $20 per day this way.
Most of the crew in hospitality appear to be from the Philipines and are very happy with conditions. As one told me to earn what he does with Princess he would have to work 4 jobs, that is if he could find them.
I know the guys work hard and long hours but it goes with the job. I refuse to pay what the company says I should, but I pay my waiter, assitant and cabin steward well.
It is interesting to note that if you book on line or with the onboard future cruise department there is no mention of gratuities. The first most will see is when they read the flyer in their cabin.
I will continue to cruiae with Princess and continue to pay gratuities to those who deserve them, however I do not think it is right for crew wages to be susbsidised with compulsory gratuities.