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Old August 3rd, 2004, 03:03 PM
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Someone who cannot argue a point but chooses to attack a poster. I am not Japanese thank you very much, but I was born in Tokyo and raised all over the world including Australia where tipping is not practiced.

Maybe you ought to get out of your little world in Texas and Oklahoma and experience the rest of the world.
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Old August 3rd, 2004, 04:41 PM
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Tokyo, you should be so lucky as to live in Texas. I have experienced the rest of the world, particularly Europe, and tipping has been going on there for years. They may call it a service charge on your bill, but it is still tipping. Would you refuse to pay it if you ate at a resturant in France or Germany?
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Old August 3rd, 2004, 05:06 PM
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Paul B,

Service Charge is something different than tipping and you will see it on the menu outsite the restaurant. Its European law. Im from holland and as far as I know most of us never tip.

I cruise for many years now, and pay not more than $30,- (7day cruise) Tip for twoo of us. Its something personal !!
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Old August 3rd, 2004, 05:30 PM
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Enough people I already booked my cruise as I said I went with Crystal and since I booked through Travelocity I got pre paid gratuties so it don't matter now. Rose I don't believe you. It's like peeing in some countries they believe in just wipping it out and going...like India, but when a person from India comes to this country they learn to use the bathroom. Of course I have been to Toyko and they use the bathroom on the streets so at least you adopted to our ways there.
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Old August 3rd, 2004, 07:40 PM
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Chip,
I see the service charge as no different then the $10 a day the ships are now adding to our accounts. I assume it goes to the pay of the employees.
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You really need to tip. And shame on you, as you know better.

Do you REALLY think YOU only ever got tipped when your service was "good?"
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They are not serving you only when in contact with you--geez!
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Old August 28th, 2004, 04:12 PM
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People let it go you are haveing a pissing match with Toyko Rose who hasn't responded to this post in a month let this post wind up in the archives somewhere. I got my answer now on to the present.
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Old August 29th, 2004, 10:29 PM
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I just received my travel documents for Holland's Panama Canal cruise next month. Included was a letter advising "...for your convenience and to enable our crew to receive the recognition we believe they are entitled to, a gratuity of USD$10 per guest, per day, will be automatically posted to your shipboard account.:

It's the next paragraph that concerns me, though. It states: "Good service starts with crewmembers you may never have the opportunity to meet: the baker who works during the night to provide you fresh breads and pastries for breakfast or the housekeeper who keeps our lounges in meticulous condition. They also benefit from the gratuities included with your bill. To ensure the efforts of these crewmembers are also recognized and to discourage solicitation of guests, dining and cabin stewards are required to turn in any tips they receive directly from those guests who have removed or reduced the gratuities on their onboard bills."

So I guess our tips get spread among all employees, presumably to compensate them for Hollands failure to pay reasonable wages.

So be it.

But now I wonder if I'm supposed to tip the cook, baker, janitor and dishwashers at restaurants.
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Old August 30th, 2004, 11:33 AM
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I'd be interested in hearing the level of service received from room stewards, waiters, etc., who know that no matter how hard they work to please you, they will just be getting the same "cut" of the $10 fee as everyone else. Let us know after your cruise.
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Old August 31st, 2004, 01:59 PM
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Rose, I reget if what I said sounded like an attack. I don't want to disturb anyone here.

However, I remain secure in my beliefs: non-tipping as a rule is morally bankrupt.
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Old August 31st, 2004, 06:36 PM
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Decided to follow my mother's advise (if you can't say something nice.....) and edit my post.

I'm cranky because Hurricane Frances is bearing down....

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Old August 31st, 2004, 06:44 PM
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Obviously, Primetime...we do not tip receptionists, gas station attendants and the store clerks. Nor do we tip the mail carriers or the guy who checks our meters.

We all work hard for our money. I doubt anyone here would say they didn't. So I will not mention the "hard work" cruise ship staff do.

However, if in good conscience you can accept gracious service from a person making a dollar a day, and fail to recognize these people beyond a simple "thank you" and I hope you are not stingy with those, that is your business.

No one will jail you for bad taste if you refuse to tip. That is your choice. Just know that you are not "getting away" with anything by not tipping. Nor are you really "saving".
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Old August 31st, 2004, 06:45 PM
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Of course, those of us getting the replies emailed . . . <grin>
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Old September 2nd, 2004, 06:49 PM
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jayne how come you dont tip those people they dont make much money.
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Old September 20th, 2004, 01:10 PM
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Yahoo.. just came back from NCL Sea Cruise Wonderfull! Its not a problem at all removing or adjusting de service charge (Gratuities) of US$ p/p/d. They even have a form for that. You just need to go to te reception and tell them that you want to remove or adjust the gratuities. You wil need the fill in hou much money you want to deduct. Example a 7d cruise for 2 days will bay 2x10x7=140, if you dont want give any gratuities just fill in 140, if you want to give US$10 fill in 130 etc. Then you have to sign for it.. and voila .... thats it. Make sure that they process it by verify your end statment.
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Old December 15th, 2004, 02:42 PM
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I hope the cruiselines get Rose's number about being a non tipper and refuse to let her onboard. If I was in management and she never compensated my employees, her picture would be at the front door and I wouldnt let her in,, no how , no way.

People acting as cheap and miserly as she does get paybacks in the end.

Wait til she has an onboard emergency and has to depend on the staff that she screwed a few cruises back,,, that will her nightmare. People NEVER forget **Improper word deleted**

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Old December 15th, 2004, 04:08 PM
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Rose has gone bye-bye from this forum let her name die along with this subject that didn't have a post for three months.

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Old December 17th, 2004, 06:39 PM
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Rose is most likely on a cruise breast feeding in the dining room
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Old December 20th, 2004, 03:22 PM
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I have not gone bye bye. And Reen my children are beyond breastfeeding age. Your comment was uncalled for.

And I still don't tip. Blame the cruise lines for paying their employees so little. By the way, they don't make as little as you think. They have quite a nice guaranteed salary.
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Old December 20th, 2004, 04:10 PM
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Sorry IDSSMS my comment was uncalled for.

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Old December 23rd, 2004, 03:49 PM
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Actually the typical salary for a steward or waiter is $50 per month. They can and do make more as the number of years and contracts are completed but I don't know of any that make over $125 a month and this guy has been there almost 20 years.
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Old December 26th, 2004, 11:40 PM
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Oh Tokyo, come back...come back Shane...You are like a sore tooth that we love to probe! I love the dry, sarcastic responses from you! I wrote a lot more just now, then realized that the unwashed public (and yes, I am the poster child for the unwashed public) need OBJECTIVE, NOT SUBJECTIVE input regarding the topic of tipping....so I would love to dialogue with you on another post, but, as I have stated before..., DH and I have this philosophy: if we just rolled $20.00 into a video poker machine, we can probably roll $1.00 into a service person’s pocket…and if they finally become richer than us, well, more power to them! They were probably smart enough not to give money to a machine! Don’t worry; I still LOVE giving my vacation budget to a machine! And I won’t apologize for this practice!
When you tip one anonymous person for making your cruising experience more human/civilized…please do, no matter how little. Your karma will come back to you 100 fold. If it does not cost you your own food/shelter/warmth situation, you may be helping five other people on this earth to have just a little bit better standard of living. That is what I like to think. Until proven otherwise, I will tip, no skin/food/shelter/minimal comfort off my back…see you in the Casino…on the Dawn…2/05!!!!
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Old December 30th, 2004, 12:02 AM
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To All of You and Tokyo Rose Especially,

I really appreciated Tokyo Rose's comments. I do live very close to the Canadian border and do know that many of our friends to the North do not tip the "required" 15% as an average. I have heard how they are referred to as being cheap also. And yet, why are the rest of you such slaves to the tipping for less than very good service. I do tip at restaurants....not at McDonalds or Burger King...and yet they come out sometimes and wipe the tables. I do not tip in hotels. I expect the room to be made up as part of the cost of the room. I also expect that the room will be made up on the ship. If they go the extra distance with room "towel art" or other ways to do more, then that is recognized by me with a tip. But, to assume that I have to tip the maitre d' when he never bothered to come by the table until the last meal before the tip meal and stayed for 20 seconds is insane. I think that tipping in the U.S. has gotten way outta hand. I can only protest the way ships are claiming a lower price and then tacking on "extras" in the form of "high pressure" tipping is crazy.
I know it is a losing battle, but I will still reward good service with up to 20% and bd service with 0% and will not use 15% as my standard. I have watched through the many years as 10% became 15% and I am now seeing 20% published as a norm. That way the companies can pay less and also affer lower benefits because of the lower salaries to their employees. I think the whole practice stinks!!!
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I don't think the whole practice stinks at all. As a restaurant owner I like the tipping process because I feel the customer gets better service when the server knows the customer is the one determining how much they will make today. I think it is incentive based. Those who give great service makes more than those who give average service. And those who give poor service don't make enough to pay their bills and end up finding other work.

Tipping has no financial implications to me whatsoever. If tipping were not a standard custom in this country and the servers were paid a higher salary it would be reflected in the price of the dinner. Instead of paying $9.95 for a shrimp dinner plus expected tip the customer would be paying $11.95 with no tip.

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Old January 1st, 2005, 11:52 AM
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You are right again, Thomas.

I do believe that if the ship employees were paid enough that there would be no tipping, the service would suffer and the cost of cruising would be higher than it is now with the cruise price and the tips added together.

My only question is will Tokyo Rose continue to cruise when the tips are automatically added by all the cruise lines?
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Thomas as a restaurant owner do you pay your employees 2.13 hr or so with the condition that thier tips will make them an above minium wage employee, or do you start them at minium wage expecting them to give the best service possible and not expecting anything.
When we went on Crystal I could not give you a reason why we shouldn't of tipped.

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Old January 3rd, 2005, 12:26 PM
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They make $2.15 per hour and if they don't make enough in tips to get to minimum wage (never happens in my place by the way) I make up the difference. Some of my servers have been there for years and make more in salary though, plus they get the better sections and nights. They've earned something for being good.

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Fair enough Thomas of course you will have a TR in your establishment as they all do. I mean there isn't anything any waitperson could do they would still get stiffed but not everybody thinks like that.

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A funny story I can relate now that the customers have passed on.

We had an elderly couple who came in weekly for years. They loved the soup and would have a bowl each and then the two would split a shrimp dinner. He was a retired dentist and she came from wealth herself.

I was visiting with them one time at their table and noticed they had finished eating so I attempted to remove her plate. Well, before I could grab the plate she slapped at my hand and told me to leave it. Hmmmmm, I couldn't figure out why but I continued to talk with them for a few minutes and then returned back into the kitchen.

After they had left I related my experience to the server and she told me that it was the Dr.'s protocol to leave $1 tip. In his mind that was standard (I guess it goes back to the 30's). But she, on the other hand, always left $3 under her plate for the server, not wanting her husband to know. When I was about to take her plate earlier I was going to expose her deception.

They were a lovely couple. He was in poor health the last few years and she was still sprite. However, she had a stroke and died within 5 weeks of it and then he died with 2 months of losing her, from a broken heart.

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