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Old October 8th, 2004, 07:47 PM
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You know the we don't bother to tip.

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Old October 8th, 2004, 11:27 PM
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The debate will continue, but the problem is solved - sort of.
Characters like the ones you are referring to have every right not to tip.
But the Cruise Lines also have every right to change the rules.

In recent years as much as 30% of the passengers on a mass market cruise tipped nothing. In many cases, they just couldn`t afford it.
As a result, the crew earns 30% less, there is higher staff turnover, and service levels go down.
So the cruise lines now make tipping mandatory to cover themselves.
They then put the crew on higher salaries - without tips.
Without tips to earn, there is reduced incentive to do a great job and "go the extra mile" to please the guests and earn more money.
Service declines.

This is the direct result of cruise lines making cruising affordable to the middle and lower classes. In the "Good Old Days" of cruising we had only the wealtyy upper classes to serve and deal with. Most were far less demanding than today`s cruisers, were far more polite and better behaved, and were definitely more appreciative of good service.

Times change.
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Old October 9th, 2004, 06:24 AM
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Nice summary, Bruce.

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Old October 9th, 2004, 11:31 AM
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To answer the original question: The thread was deleted. It had deteriorated to mostly personal attacks. This is too bad because there were a few thoughtful posts in the thread.

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Old October 9th, 2004, 11:44 AM
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Something to think about....

If everyone in the world were wealthy... The wealthy would be no better than anyone else!
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Old October 9th, 2004, 12:36 PM
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No one said they were better, only wealthier...

It is a shame, Mike, because there were many thoughtful posts on that thread, but they had become lost in the personal attacks.

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Old October 9th, 2004, 01:34 PM
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On the contrary...

From the previous post:
This is the direct result of cruise lines making cruising affordable to the middle and lower classes. In the "Good Old Days" of cruising we had only the wealtyy upper classes to serve and deal with. Most were far less demanding than today`s cruisers, were far more polite and better behaved, and were
Times change.

Emphisis on "Far more polite and better behaved" and "definitely more appreciative of good service."
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Old October 10th, 2004, 08:29 PM
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I DO TIP BUT!!

I just read Costa Cruise Lines FAQ section on Tipping. Guess what it is suggested that you tip your cabin attendant $3.00, the waiter $3.00, the assistant waiter $1.50 and the matre'd 1$1.00 This adds up to $8.50 per person per day in the Caribbean.

They suggets $6.00 per person per day in Euorpe.

My question is does it require $2.50 more to serve me in the Caribbean than it does in Europe?

Just asking. Could it be that the Europeans don't customarily tip as miuch as Americans? Or is it the cruise fare is higher in Europe?

Anyone with any thoughts.

I WANT TO SAY AGAIN I DO TIP!! I WILL TIP AT LEAST THE SUGGESTED TIP IF NOT MORE.

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Old October 12th, 2004, 10:53 AM
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Bruce,, Yousaid it well.. The low class can now cruise... Same thing happened with the air lines.. Too bad, the low class should know their place..OM
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Old October 12th, 2004, 02:24 PM
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""Too bad, the low class should know their place..""

That is the most arrogant, snobbish statement ever posted on this or any board. Next thing you will say that blacks should not cruise either, how about those Irish? Maybe just like the "Good ole days" ships should pollute the environment too just for good measure.
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Old October 12th, 2004, 04:31 PM
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Folks , you damage the good discussion by lowering your comments to personal attacks and over interpretation of the comments of others. Keep to the point and stay away from the personal attacks. You add nothing positive and serve only to distract from the points at hand.

dawcruiser, interesting point regarding the suggested tip amounts. It just left a Celebrity ship and I believe the suggested amounts were $3.50 , 3.50 and 2.00 (or maybe 1.75 ,with either 50 cents or 75 cents (can't remember) suggested for head waiter and assistant chief housekeeper. Regardless, it all came to a dollar or two more than your post.
The one that I find interesting is the $1.00 per day for the Maitre"d. On a large RCCL ship, with let's say 3000 passengers, that would be $21,000 per week for the Maitre'D.
I am definately in the wrong profession.
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Real class is found in polite behavior, not wealth!

I can think of a lot of sports stars, rock singers and movie actors that do not impress me as being classy.
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Three different tip situations over the weekend. First on Friday night a party of six goes to Red Lobster for the all you can eat shrimp quick seating, probably about 5 minutes to take a drink order and from there 15 minutes to take our food order. The waiter for the most part kept our drink order filled and got our seconds to us quickly, tip 12 %. On Saturday the same six went to a mexican restaurant after the OU-Texas game and all the depressed people had left then. We got seated right away 2 minutes to take a drink order 5 minutes to take a food order, food was out within 10 minutes, drinks never ran out tip 20 %. On Sunday we went to a chinese buffet with a party of 20, everything was chaos drinks were never filled bad service all around I am not sure if the put an automatic grat on there but tip 0% and well deserved.

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things that make you go... Hmmmmm?

I wonder how many of the "upper class" people would continue to cruise if instead of a tipping policy, there were a surcharge for passengers who were arogant and overly demanding of the staff?
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Amen NottaClue!! Nicely put!!
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Ooohhh…I am cruisin (get it? hee hee) for my first flaming bruisin…please, use only the best of the best BBQ sauce for this! Re the above posts, and other tipping threads, I get the overwhelming feeling that some of this is sooo tongue in cheek! Either the people with my sense of humor respond to these sites, or I am just another naïve dodo bird!
"… In the "Good Old Days" of cruising we had only the wealtyy upper classes to serve and deal with. Most were far less demanding than today`s cruisers, were far more polite and better behaved, and were definitely more appreciative of good service….Emphisis on "Far more polite and better behaved" and "definitely more appreciative of good service."

This is old fashioned sarcasm, right? I will never be able to speak for old time cruisers. I would imagine (and remember…this is my fantasy! Mmmhhh…smell that BBQ!) dropping a $100 dollar tip to poor old Eliza Doolittle was nothing for that class. After all the “lower class” knew how to keep their mouth shut if paid enough! The wealthy class has plenty of material for a star studded Jerry Sprin*** show. For those of us who have to “budget” (big, big shudder!): that cabin on the lake with no running water is an option, and if you think about it, offers some of the same important things that a cruise does; peace, no schedule, go with the flow feeling. I digress…If you all want a no tip vacation adventure…rent an island. This is what the currently mega wealthy do to avoid us unwashed public, cruisers, and tipping! There are now too many people that can afford a floating vacation (uugghh...what is this world coming to)! Those of us that expend a lot of energy bickering about all those cruise lines that compete for our unwashed public business…uhh...duh…we are too dumb to figure out how to finagle a 2 week cruise on P. Diddy’s yacht. And, until we become that savvy, we will be reduced to hours of fun discussing tipping on mega cruises! (P. Diddy, where are you on these threads!). And, BTW, DH and I have this philosophy: if we just rolled $20.00 into a video poker machine, we can probably roll $1.00 into a service person’s pocket…and if they finally become richer than us, well, more power to them! They were probably smart enough not to give money to a machine! Don’t worry; I still LOVE giving my vacation budget to a machine! And I won’t apologize for this practice!
BTW…TokyoRose, are you really, really for real? Or are you just the next, great, incredibly sarcastic humorist I will come to adore! If you are not for real, I will just have to go through the six stages of grieving, get over it, and get ready to post a lot of replies! And Old Man…you are way too funny…or, you need to be put out to pasture, but I have already decided…You may be my next icon in great sarcastic humor!

Sorry I have not contributed much in the way of helpful cruising advice…so here goes…When you tip one anonymous person for making your cruising experience more human/civilized…please do, no matter how little. Your karma will come back to you 100 fold. If it does not cost you your own food/shelter/warmth situation, you may be helping five other people on this earth to have just a little bit better standard of living. That is what I like to think. Until proven otherwise, I will tip, no skin /food/shelter/minimal comfort off my back…see you in the Casino…on the Dawn…2/05!!!!
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