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LISA27 August 6th, 2006 04:34 PM

Tipping ??????????
 
Hello we are going on our first cruise sailing on the Caribbean princess.
I have read lots of posts re tipping which seems to be an extremely sensitive topic. I am now more confused than ever?? I have read if you can't afford to tip go camping? That staffs on the cruise ships are paid pittance for slave labour and rely on our tips to make up their wage?
I have decided to keep the $10 per day on my account but then have come to realise it does not stop at that. You can really go on for ever so where do you draw the line, when the staff who I assume will be absolutely fantastic are stood waiting for another tip, I am certainly not rich and do not agree with you small minded people who think only the super rich can cruise if you think that way you have a big ego problem and yes I will call you snobs who think you are high and mighty and above everyone else some people save for years to live a dream something some of you just take for granted and do every year well good for you I think that is great if you can afford to but give a thought to those who do struggle. The lady who was honest and said that she could genuinely not afford to tip and asked for your advice on how not to, which is surely her choice was just ganged up on and slated by some of you
So where do you stop.
The man who said should he tip the flight attendant and was told no because they rip us off with expensive drinks?????
What about this big cruise company then, that expect us to make up their staffs wages because they pay them pittance well don't you think maybe they should take less of a whopping profit and pay their staff the wage they deserve.
Quote "If we didn't tip, the cruise line would put up the prices so none of us could afford to cruise" again maybe the cruise company should take less profit which I am sure is in the millions??? Maybe I am wrong and have got the wrong end of the stick maybe the cruise lines do not make much profit?? So my question is where do I draw the line because I am sure I will want to tip everyone who is fantastic but unfortunately I can not afford to do this, people ask how much do I tip the spa but 15% has already been added on sorry but I don't understand? If you are none of these people who have left these reply's then you have no need to take offence.

Thank you I await your replies which I am sure will be full of your own views and opinions and probably full of your insults. We all have a right to these and if some of you didn't get so nasty, I certainly wouldn't feel the need to get nasty back. :twisted:

Donna August 6th, 2006 05:01 PM

I think if you go ahead and pay the automatic tipping at $10.00 per day, per person, you'll agree that the staff that is serving you all week truly works hard for those tips and deserve it.

If at any point you receive service above and beyond, then go ahead and tip a little extra.

When you order sodas or bar drinks, they will automatically add on a 15% tip to that. Its a totally seperate tip than the $10.00 you pay for your cabin attandant and wait staff in the dining room.

Hope that helps some?

Paul B August 6th, 2006 11:55 PM

I agree with Donna completely. The $10 a day will certainly be deserved and appreciated. I consider it a fantastic bargain., for the service you receive.

There are many ways that you can cut the cost of a cruise once you are on the ship. If you do not purchase drinks and drink coffee, tea, water and juices, you can save a lot. If you limit or avoid the photos you can save some more. If you don't gamble in the casino or play Bingo, there will be additional savings. If you can avoid the spa, you can save money there.

You can also save money at many ports by booking your own tours or not booking any at all.

The bottom line is to get on the ship and have fun. Spend your money where it will give you the most enjoyment.

gambitscuba August 7th, 2006 12:20 AM

Re: Tipping ??????????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LISA27
That staffs on the cruise ships are paid pittance for slave labour and rely on our tips to make up their wage?

All I know is... my friend, Mirko, who is a waiter (i wont say what line) gets $2.05 an hour... he works 15 hour days and he works his rear off... needless to say because he works his rear off he gets pretty decent tips... but that's because he deserves them... but if you have Waiter (false name) Gupta G. who gets every order wrong... calls you mr. when your a miss... and never refills your water glass... then Waiter G. does not deserve your tip... and shouldn't get it... if he is dense enough to not want to serve you better to get a better tip.. then that's his own problem... :!:

It all comes back to personal preference... you shouldn't feel bad if you don't tip each person you meet $20 dollars... HAH... tipping is your discretion and is a very personal interaction between the person who recieved the services that the staff provided...

dawcruiser August 7th, 2006 06:06 PM

Re: Tipping ??????????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gambitscuba
Quote:

Originally Posted by LISA27
That staffs on the cruise ships are paid pittance for slave labour and rely on our tips to make up their wage?

All I know is... my friend, Mirko, who is a waiter (i wont say what line) gets $2.05 an hour... he works 15 hour days and he works his rear off... needless to say because he works his rear off he gets pretty decent tips... but that's because he deserves them... but if you have Waiter (false name) Gupta G. who gets every order wrong... calls you mr. when your a miss... and never refills your water glass... then Waiter G. does not deserve your tip... and shouldn't get it... if he is dense enough to not want to serve you better to get a better tip.. then that's his own problem... :!:

It all comes back to personal preference... you shouldn't feel bad if you don't tip each person you meet $20 dollars... HAH... tipping is your discretion and is a very personal interaction between the person who recieved the services that the staff provided...

I agree and at the same time don't agree.

I understand the labor is worth his hire. Maybe the crusieline needs to pay better. Actually some lines do. There are a few lines who do not encourage tipping, I only know of them from the message boards I can't afford them. Now that is the problem. Pay me now or pay me latter. If you don't tip then you prepay the tip in higher crusie fare.

Now here is another problem as was stated bove. One waiter does a great job the other does a poor job. I think every passenger needs to tip but also fill out the comment card and point out the waiter who provided poor service and the cruise line should either re-train or fire the poor server. This would give better service all around.

It is my decision to go above and beyond in my tips. I have often given a select few an extra tip. I can say I have never given every person who served me an extra tip. It seems to me the bus person is always going above and beyond. But I don't see what the waiter does in the galley as he is gettig my food. If I only tipped what I saw......

Here is my final conclsion. Tip as suggested, give extra to the ones you think deserve it or don't tip and sail with a line who charges you more and you don't have to tip. Profit is the name of the game.

Ask someone who has sailed for 30 years or more. What you pay for today was free one time. Why do the cruise lines charge for coffee, ice cream and etc? Because they need the income to make a profit. If you had all inclusive cruises like you once did the fare would be out of reach for many. But if you look at your final bill you still pay, it all works out. In the world it is called marketing.

Just my thoughts,

Don

free@53 August 28th, 2006 03:52 PM

Lisa,

Here are some "tips" I have for you. I've been on one cruise (Dec.05) - which was an awesome experience so much so I'm going on my 2nd in Jan. My wife and I did the resort thing last year (Jan./06) for the 1st time as well, and in our opinion there is absolutely no comparison, cuising is the way to go.

As for your question on tipping on the cruise.

I would tip our pool waiter an extra $5 - $10 every other day, trust me our waiter was great an IMO deserved the extra tip, in tipping him extra we more than won out in the end, many drinks were forgotten to be charged.

Don't feel obliged to tip extra, it is the cruises' staff choice to accept a job on a cruise ship, they new their waqes prior to departure, but if a person continuously goes the xtra mile, cheerfully greets you by your name each and every time, then why not give them a little xtra.

Here's my biggest advice...DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THESE BOARDS.

I remember people complaining about the food on the ship, I was thinking to myself what have I done going on this cruise, it turns out the food was awesome. Some people's idea on dinning out is going to a local hamburger joint, or always eat fried and battered foods, their palates are limited, don't let these boards put any doubt in your mind go with a positive attitude do what you think is right and enjoy yourself.

Good luck.
Mike

LISA27 September 22nd, 2006 12:37 PM

Thanks everyone :D

lougee1043 September 23rd, 2006 12:47 PM

lisa 27

tiping never ends if you allow it to continue

if you are on a budget and cant afford to tip extra then dont feel guilty-you have left your auto tip in place then the crew that served you will be getting a tip from you------------------if you can afford to tip more to those crew that made your cruise exceptional then do so - if not --its ok too--
be aware there are pax that remove the auto tip with the attitude i will never see these people again so screw it

on the hal ships before auto tipping- it was the practice to tip the waiter and assistant at the end of the last meal--- you should see how many pax didnt eat in the dining room that last nite --or they would get up to go to the bathroom and never come back to tip--and if you saw them afterward they would brag how they screwed the help

coconutphil October 17th, 2006 06:21 PM

The Envelope Please...
 
Service is better in places where tipping is the norm. Tipping is only effective if it is completely voluntary. Use your tips, however large or small your budget is, to reward good service when you get it.

Unfortunately the common practice of pooling tips defeats the purpose of tipping and reduces the beneficial effect on service.

revdonauctioneer October 18th, 2006 08:29 AM

Hopefully someday soon the cruselines will change the word tip to service charge. On most cruise ships today we no longer provide a tip we pay a voluntary service charge.

If I knew, upfront, I was required to pay an additional $10.00 per day for service then I would just pay it and go back to tiping for excellant service as tipping was once done.

Now I know some folks will tell me everyone deserves their tips. I disagree. Everyone deserves their salary but they don't deserve a tip, a tip is earned and it quite subjective. What I consider good service would not cut it with some and other's think anything above a slap in the face is great service. NOW get down from your high horse, I am not saying service on ships is bad. But I don't think it is as good today as it was when I first began cruising in 1988. Tipping in my opinion, (and you know what they say about opinions everyone have a couple and some of them stink), is something the passenger has to live with. I couldn't live with myself I I didn't tip. But some can so to each his own. I just wish if the cruiselines only want to provide minimum wages to their servers and stewards while telling them the tips will make up the diffference they would start charging a service charge so servers and stewardswould get a good salarycfor what they do. But I don't think the ships will because a tip is a charge most don't consider when they plan a cruise. It is an extra expense that most don't plan they just put it on the credit card and then say I wish I hadn't spent so much on the cruise. Actually I think some can't tip because they max their credit cards before they get to the tip. If it was an upfront charge some would say we can't afford to cruise this year. The cruise lines wants you on the ship. After they get you there they will make a profit. Do you really think a cruse line make huge profits selling inside cabins for $300.00 for a 7 day cruise, (and I normally pay $300.00 or less. The other money is just passed through the cruiselines and paid in port charges and taxes)? No they don't the $300.00 probably just pay expenses but if they can get you on board you just might buy a $20.00 photo. My wife has a pet grooming business and sell photos of dogs and cats at Christmas. She pays less than $1.00 to have the picture printed and sells them for $9.95. So for 5 minutes time and a $50.00 camera she makes clears over $8.00 for each photo she sells. She doen't consider rent or insurance because she has to to have it anyway for her grooming business. Photos are just extra income. A cruise line thinks the same way. This is what is considered marketing products to make a profit. Every grocery store who has been in business over 10 years sells what is know as loss leaders. Example turkeys at Thanksgiving. Have tou every seen turkey advertised for 9 cents a pound? Well last time I bought turkeys and I buy them in quanity to feed the homeless I had to pay nearly30 cents per pound. How can a grocery store sell them for 9 cents, They can't. They lose money on eaqch turkey but they think if you buy your turkey from them you will buy your cranberry sauce from them. They sell cranberry sauce for 79 cents a can and it cost them 10cets or so. In the long run they make a profit. Cruise ships use the same idea. Everything you buy on ship make a huge profit.

All I wish is this they name a tip what it actually is in today's cruise ship market.

Just mythoughts.

Don

Sugar67 October 18th, 2006 09:47 AM

Sorry to ask this here but it is an active thread on tipping so I am hoping someone can help.

We are getting married in Jamaica while on our cruise next week. I am wondering if it is customary to tip our wedding co-ordinator, photographer, minister, etc. ?

As far as I know, none of them are owners of the company but employees. We have bought our co-ordinator a small gift but just wondering what your thoughts are on giving a cash tip as well.

Thanks for the help

Donna October 18th, 2006 10:19 AM

I would tip those people a little something in cash as well.

dawcruiser October 18th, 2006 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donna
I would tip those people a little something in cash as well.

Why?

I am a minister and work for a ministry. I get a salary from my ministry. Now why should someone feel obligated to tip me for doing what I get paid to do?

On your job does someone tip you because you do your job?

From what the young lady has said, "As far as I know, none of them are owners of the company but employees." They are getting paid to perfrom the services.

Again why do you need to tip?

Just asking. Sure wish folks would tip me for doing the job I get paid to do.

Don

Donna October 18th, 2006 04:45 PM

HI Don,
Tipping is just a nice way of letting someone know that you appreciate a job well done. For my daughters wedding we did tip the people that did a wonderful job, even though they still got their regular pay for the job.

jonoxl October 18th, 2006 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donna
HI Don,
Tipping is just a nice way of letting someone know that you appreciate a job well done. For my daughters wedding we did tip the people that did a wonderful job, even though they still got their regular pay for the job.

Donna, your first sentence says it all. Tipping should be for a job
well done,

I don't know how things go over your side of the pond but here, we
are expected to tip the taxi driver, even tho' he doesn't say a word
the whole journey, the hairdresser who asks the same dumb
questions every time you visit, the pizza delivery boy who presents
the box upside down. :shock:.

I am hoping that I will be tipping an extra few dollars to the waiters,
cabin staff etc., as it will mean that I have had a fantastic cruise.
Both my wife and I work in fairly low paid jobs but when you read
here just how poorly paid cruise staff are, then it really is a wake
up call.

IMO if you have paid your 10bucks a day p/p and people are going
out of their way to give you a holiday to remember, then tip extra.
If you don't like tipping, then go for an all inclusive cruise. (And feel
the pain upfront). :roll:

Paul B October 18th, 2006 08:26 PM

TIPPING in GENERAL
 
I think tipping in general has gotten a bit crazy. Today my wife and I ate in a cafeteria. We purchased our food including beverage and carried our trays to a vacant table. While we were eating, a lady came by and gave us her card and said "Hi, I am soandso, and I"ll be your server." She hadn't done anything for us except smile and expected a tip. I hope she wasn't too disappointed.

I even see tip jars at checkout and cashiers. Does someone expect a tip for taking my money? Most of them couldn't even make change if the computer didn't do it for them. I think this must be some weird trend that started in California.

I always tip well for good service, and I have always experienced excellent service while cruising.

Donna October 18th, 2006 10:40 PM

HI Paul,
I have to agree with you there, in those cases the tipping is just not called for..

dawcruiser October 19th, 2006 01:47 PM

Re: TIPPING in GENERAL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul B
I think tipping in general has gotten a bit crazy. Today my wife and I ate in a cafeteria. We purchased our food including beverage and carried our trays to a vacant table. While we were eating, a lady came by and gave us her card and said "Hi, I am soandso, and I"ll be your server." She hadn't done anything for us except smile and expected a tip. I hope she wasn't too disappointed.

I even see tip jars at checkout and cashiers. Does someone expect a tip for taking my money? Most of them couldn't even make change if the computer didn't do it for them. I think this must be some weird trend that started in California.

I always tip well for good service, and I have always experienced excellent service while cruising.

Paul I wish I had said it that way. Tipping has gone to the extremes. It seems to me, remember I said me, everyone expects, no demands, a tip. If I remember correctly I once read tips actually means "to insure proper service", or something like that. If the services isn't good why should I tip. I still contend tips on a cruise ship should be a service charge becasue the $10 per day isn't a tip, it is an charge to pay the salaries of the service providers. Actually if you look at it it goes way beyond the waiter, asst waiter and cabin stweard. They, if I understand correctly, share the tip with the laundry worker and etc.

Just my thoughts.

Don

jonoxl October 19th, 2006 06:05 PM

Don,
I've worked in laundry rooms and to be honest, if given the
chance, I would rather run around like a blue a*sed fly
serving food or drinks rather than work in those dungeons.
They deserve the tips just as much as your smiley waiter.
(If not more). Believe me.

revdonauctioneer October 20th, 2006 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonoxl
Don,
I've worked in laundry rooms and to be honest, if given the
chance, I would rather run around like a blue a*sed fly
serving food or drinks rather than work in those dungeons.
They deserve the tips just as much as your smiley waiter.
(If not more). Believe me.

I believe every word you have wrote. But I wonder something. Let me give you some back ground first.

I am 59, will be 60 in December. I was born on a farm, which my family didn't own. I have inherited exactly $4,900.00, (four thousand and nine hundred dollars), in my lifetime, $1,100.00 from my grandfather on my mothers side and $38,00.00 when my father died. I am a only child. My mother died when I was three I lived the rest of my early life living with my aunts or friends of the family. I graduated from High School but didn't decided I need a college education till I was age 33, I was married at the time and had 4 kids. We, my wife and I, paid for 90% of my education I was given grants for about 10% of the cost. When I walked across the stage I didn't owe a dime for my education. I borrowed absolutely nothing to go to college on. My father had a 5th grade education. I have had at least 12 different so far in my life. I actually lost count and have been business for myself twice, went broke both times. My current job I have had for 15 years and I am the Senior Vice President, I don't want to name where I work but we have 88 employees and have a budget each year of nearly $8,000,000.00. My job is overseeing the spending that money each year.

I only mention the above so you will not think I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth and to show you that a person can overcome whatever life throws them if they want to and are willing to work for it.

So with my background in mnd I ask why don't you get a job as a waiter? Or anything else you desire. I know I am Anerican and live in the land of opportunity and you may not be American but I am sure if you worked at it you coud get out of the laundry. Maybe I am wrong but I hope for your sake I am not wrong.

My forefathers came to America instead of being put in debtors prision.
I have moved to 3 completely different states because the opportunity I needed was there and knew absolutely noone in any of those states which I moved.

PLEASE PLEASE don't think I am trying to put you or any otherperson who reads this post down. I am not. I feel your plight. I have worked at many jobs which I absolutely hated, why, because they paid the bills and were a stepping stone to the next job. I wrote the above hopefully to inspire you to move on to bigger and better thinks in your life. Thereis one other thing which I must say and that is this. When I put God and His Son Jesus Christ in their proper place in my life, my life began to change. If you are not a Christian look into it.

Just my thought and God bless you,

Don

jonoxl October 20th, 2006 10:05 PM

Well, where do I start.
Please don't think I take offence to you're post, I don't.
I was just stating that there are some crappy jobs out
there and someone has to do them. Please don't feel
"my plight" as I've done ok by putting in a lot of hours
and graft in over the years, so has my wife, probably
even more so than me which is we can afford to visit
your land of opportunity, being that we come from
that backwater that is the UK. :wink:

TBH, the only reason we are going on this holiday is
that my wife is celebrating her 40th birthday and always
wanted to cruise and always wanted to visit the US. Both
of which never really appealled to me, no offence as I
much prefer a couple of weeks in Spain in July, but it is
her birthday and there aint no way that I am doing a Med
cruise in November. :shock: Two birds with one stone
spring to mind :wink:

Back to the original point which was tipping, Carnival are
paying these people a pittance in the knowledge that we
are inflating their wages through tips. You can't get away
with that in this backwater, (Minimum Wage Act), unless
you recruit illegally, which the big companys don't do, but
most of the cruise ships over this side of the pond are
registered under "flags of convenience" so can pretty
much get away with murder. I don't know if that is how
they work it over where you are. I knew the position when
I booked the cruise. If I was on a cruise where tipping was
(supposedly) not allowed, I would still tip where I thought
was appropriate.

I have stated in another post that I have just acquired
my first ever credit card, at the age of forty, soley to
make the whole purchasing process easier, (and to let
my wife go a bit mad at the shops). :evil: I'm more
a "cash in hand" man, (typical Scot).

I appreciate what you have done with your life, and
you seem very happy, (which is the main thing). I am
very happy with what I have achieved, no doubt we
could all have done a little bit more. :oops:

Re the last bit of your post, which for this time only, I
will comment on. I am a practicing Roman Catholic
and so, (at the moment), is my daughter. My wife just
doesn't "do" religion. Happy families :D .
I will sign off in the words of the great Irish comedian
(love him or loathe him). Dave Allen

"May your God go with you".

rinker250 January 19th, 2007 01:10 PM

I remember talking to a staff member on our first cruise.
She was not paid hourly but signed a contract for the season at around 10-12 thousand dollars.
She was an attendent in the casino and said her deal was pretty much the norm for service people. (technicians and supervisors, of course, received a better deal).
She works every single day during the season and has four weeks off between seasons.
It is important to also know that these employees have absolutely no expenses other than personal items during this period.
I only offer this info to counter the "slave labor" claims that I hear.

Bottom line is a young person can do this type of work for a couple years and quite easily walk away with 40-60 thousand dollars BEFORE tips.
Dan

Paul B January 19th, 2007 01:21 PM

The stewards and dining room workers can walk away with very little before tips. They are paid slave wages of about $50 per month, not what the staff workers get.

rinker250 January 19th, 2007 01:39 PM

Paul,
I find that amount very hard to believe regardless of the country of origin.
I did not offer my account to in any way dissuade people from tipping.
I just think it is important that folks realize that these people's ability to eat is not dependent on a paying customer subsidizing their wages.

More info:
http://www.cruiselinesjobs.com/eng/wages/
Dan

Paul B January 19th, 2007 06:37 PM

Believe me, if it weren't for tipping, you would have to clean your own room and serve your own food. These people work very hard for the recommended $3.50 each per day for the steward and waiter and the $2.50 for the assistant waiter. They also work at least 10 hours per day, seven days a week.

There is no such thing as a minimum wage for these people, but with the tips and no expenses, they do make an excellent wage for the countries that they come from.


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