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Old February 21st, 2007, 08:54 PM
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We didn't eat in the dining room at all on our last cruise and so when we tipped at the end, my husband used cash and gave tips to everyone but the dining room servers. We tipped more to our cabin attendant because we felt she went above and beyond.

Now I am reading these boards and finding that she had to put her tip into a pool? Does she have a set amount she needed to put into the pool or did she have to put the entire amount in? If the latter is the case, then it makes tipping more pointless.

I personally do not feel we should *have* to tip someone if we did not use their services. Since we didn't use the dining room at all (we ate in the buffet each time and actually handed a tip to the waiter there after every meal), we shouldn't have to tip the dining room waitstaff.

I am all for tipping people but I am not just handing money to anyone unless they have done some sort of service for me.

I understand that if we put our tips on the SeaPass, anything above that in cash can be kept by the person we're tipping, but then we can't pick or choose who to tip.

I am not a tightwad and I do tip those that have provided a service to me. I just don't like having to pay tips for a waiter I did not use. Unfortunately, with the tip pool, we end up paying for someone we didn't even use and then the people we feel deserve more get stiffed. Unfair.
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Old February 21st, 2007, 11:41 PM
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I think you are making your life more complicated, but it is your choice of how you tip.

If you tip in cash ...most cruiselines require the crew to turn in all the money.. anything over the standard rate they get to keep but the rest is put in to the pool.

Some of the waitstaff from the dining room do rotate to the buffet service.

just curious....How do you determine how much to tip each meal?

I think it would work out more in the long run just tipping those that serve you than doing the auto tip route
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This is the first cruise for us. I have a question about the tipping. In shore base restaurants if you put the tip on a credit card the waiter/ess has to pay tax on it as it is reported as income by the restaurant. If it is left on the table in cash, then it is up to the waiter/ess to report it.
Is this the same for cruise lines? If it is put on your sail and sign account do they pay tax on it, but what you give them on the lst night/or at any time in cash they can keep it and report it themselves?

If this is the case, would it be better to cancel the automatic tipping and then put the corresponding amounts in an envelope (along with any extra you may want) and give it directly to the people who went out of their way to make your cruise the best on the lst night?

I had not heard about them having to put ANY AND ALL money they get into a "POOL" until tonight, this post. If that is the case then it make it hard to tip the person who does a GREAT job to their benefit without it being watered down by having to pool it with everyone else.

Thanks for the info, want to do what's best for the hard worker, not necessarily easiest path.
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This is the first cruise for us. I have a question about the tipping. In shore base restaurants if you put the tip on a credit card the waiter/ess has to pay tax on it as it is reported as income by the restaurant. If it is left on the table in cash, then it is up to the waiter/ess to report it.
Is this the same for cruise lines? If it is put on your sail and sign account do they pay tax on it, but what you give them on the lst night/or at any time in cash they can keep it and report it themselves?

If this is the case, would it be better to cancel the automatic tipping and then put the corresponding amounts in an envelope (along with any extra you may want) and give it directly to the people who went out of their way to make your cruise the best on the lst night?

I had not heard about them having to put ANY AND ALL money they get into a "POOL" until tonight, this post. If that is the case then it make it hard to tip the person who does a GREAT job to their benefit without it being watered down by having to pool it with everyone else.

Thanks for the info, want to do what's best for the hard worker, not necessarily easiest path.
This isn't exactly how taxes are calculated for servers, at least not in my experience. In most settings, the restaurant/bar keeps track of each server's sales for the night and they are taxed based on an "expected percentage" of their receipts. That is also how the tip out amounts for the bussers, hosts and bartenders are calculated for each server.

If you reported only credit card tips to the IRS, I say good luck if you are ever audited, because you're gonna be screwed.
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Old February 23rd, 2007, 12:49 AM
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In any case, the employees on ships pay no US tax on their tips.
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just curious....How do you determine how much to tip each meal?
I believe my husband gave the waiter $2 or $3 each time we ate there. It's not like the waiter there was doing as much work as the waiter in the dining room would have been.

I just feel that tipping should be related to a service actually performed for me. Our cabin attendant was awesome. She was very friendly, always had the cabin clean and made up whenever we got back to it, and was just a pleasure to speak with and went out her way to make sure we didn't lack anything. For that I was willing to pay extra. Why should I have to pay a tip to someone whose services I didn't use?

As I said, I am not going to stiff the staff. When they earn a tip from me, they will get a tip from me. I am not unreasonable, either, and demand perfection. I just feel it should be my choice to decide who deserves a tip or not, and if I do tip someone more, they should be able to keep all of that tip without having it watered down by pooling it with everyone else's.
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Most people don't tip when they eat in the buffet, so the tips you leave the wait staff in the dining room will cover those people when working in the buffet, thats why its pooled.
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Most people don't tip when they eat in the buffet, so the tips you leave the wait staff in the dining room will cover those people when working in the buffet, thats why its pooled.
Oh, well that makes sense now. I didn't even think about that since we always tipped. Learn something new every day
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If you tip in cash ...most cruiselines require the crew to turn in all the money.. anything over the standard rate they get to keep but the rest is put in to the pool.
While most believe this misconception to be true, it is not. ALL tips, auto-tips, envelope tips, hand delivered tips, tips left on the table, or in short all money given to the staff goes into the pool, not just the "overage". This is then distributed to all service people.
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Old February 25th, 2007, 07:33 PM
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If you tip in cash ...most cruiselines require the crew to turn in all the money.. anything over the standard rate they get to keep but the rest is put in to the pool.
While most believe this misconception to be true, it is not. ALL tips, auto-tips, envelope tips, hand delivered tips, tips left on the table, or in short all money given to the staff goes into the pool, not just the "overage". This is then distributed to all service people.
Just curious, but exactly how would the cruiseline know I tipped my cabin attendant more money? I am sure the CA knows what she is supposed to be getting tipped per person, so if she was supposed to get $X and I gave her $X+ in cash, how would the lines know if she pockets the extra?
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While most believe this misconception to be true, it is not. ALL tips, auto-tips, envelope tips, hand delivered tips, tips left on the table, or in short all money given to the staff goes into the pool, not just the "overage". This is then distributed to all service people.
Are you saying they do not get to keep the extra amount you give them over the auto tip??????
It was my understanding that if you give them more and leave the auto tip in place they get to keep the extra.

I make sure my cabin number or name is on the envelope so they know I also auto tipped.
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Old February 26th, 2007, 12:05 AM
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Just curious, but exactly how would the cruiseline know I tipped my cabin attendant more money? I am sure the CA knows what she is supposed to be getting tipped per person, so if she was supposed to get $X and I gave her $X+ in cash, how would the lines know if she pockets the extra?
I guess they work on the honour system but it is not worth losing their jobs by keeping a few bucks .
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Old February 26th, 2007, 09:37 PM
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I asked my waiter on the Grand Princess about that, and he told me that if you use the automatic tipping, anything extra given directly to the waiters or stewards can be kept by them.
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When I paid for drinks I always added a couple bucks to the ticket in addition to the 15%.
I was told this went into the drink servers/bartenders pool.

Anything I added in the restaraunts went into the wait staff/room attendants pool.

The greens I slipped anyone stayed in their pocket.

This was per the bartender on the aft deck and the waitress in Cagney's on the Pearl.
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This was posted on another site but whorth looking at
http://www.cruiseshipjob.com/foodand.htm
You can see how much on average crew is paid

keep in mind they work 10-12 hr per day usually 6 days a week depending on the ship

Would you work for $2-3 hr???????
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Would you work for $2-3 hr???????
If I lived in a country where the average income for the month was US$255 a MONTH, or approx. $8 per DAY, then yes I would be all over a job that paid me $2-3 an HOUR.

Let's use the Philippines as an example since I know many Filipinos are staff on creuiseships.

The average income for a family in the Philippines in 2003 was US$3046.00. That was per YEAR.

At $3 an hour, working a 12 hours day, staff make $36 a day not including their tips. That's over 4 times what the average Filipino family brings in per day. And believe me, they work 12 hour days there, too.

Unless these people decide they want to live in America, they are making a very good wage at $3 an hour.

We tend to view things by what the cost of living rate is here in America so that $3 an hour is like slave wages to us. Add to it their tips, and in their home country these people are doing pretty well.
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Add the fact that they have next to no living expenses while on board other than personal items and vices.
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I don't believe the information given above. Waiters, assistant waiters and stewards on cruise ships are normally paid $50 per month, not $2 per hour.

I really don't care what the average wage is in their countries. These people deserve a tip, and I don't think $10 a day per passenger, which covers all these people, is an excessive amount.

Can you say, "penny pinching cheakskate!"
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Can you say, "penny pinching cheakskate!"
I NEVER said not to tip. Not once. I only said that I don't tip unless I specifically use someone's services. I do not understand why this makes me a "penny pinching cheapskate".

Do you tip people just for the sake of tipping people? I don't.

I also spent more than $10 per day on my last cruise on tips because I know we tipped the cabin attendant $40 for a 4 night cruise. She earned it. Plus all the rest of the usual tips, and we paid $3 or so to the waiter in the buffet each time we ate there. We ate there 3x per day as we never used the dining room.

Just because I don't feel like tipping people that do not provide me a service, this makes me cheap? I don't think so.

It's not about being cheap, it's about someone getting a tip for providing me a service. Since I did not use the dining room, I don't see why I have to tip the waiters or the maitre 'd. Did the maitre 'd serve me my dinner in the buffet or get me a better table there? No. Did I tip the waiter that made sure I had my glass full of whatever I was drinking in the buffet? Yes.

I don't tip the chef when I eat at a restaurant, and I don't tip the busboy, either, do you? Most people I know only tip the waiter.

How I approach things on a ship is the same way I approach things on land. Why should it be any different on the ship? I am not onboard to just throw my money away and if someone is not providing me a service that's exactly what tipping them is doing.
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...and I only mentioned the lack of living expenses as another aspect.
Read my other posts, I am FAAAAARRRRRRR from penny pinching.
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I don't believe the information given above. Waiters, assistant waiters and stewards on cruise ships are normally paid $50 per month, not $2 per hour.
I didn't say they actually got $2. hr but if you check the wesite I posted you will see they do get a bit more than $50. a month including tips provided people tip the recommended amount
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If you tip in cash ...most cruiselines require the crew to turn in all the money.. anything over the standard rate they get to keep but the rest is put in to the pool.
While most believe this misconception to be true, it is not. ALL tips, auto-tips, envelope tips, hand delivered tips, tips left on the table, or in short all money given to the staff goes into the pool, not just the "overage". This is then distributed to all service people.
This is true to my experience as well. There is no such thing as overage. All of the money collected is suppose to go into the pool, which is actually called tip sharing. This way even the lousy service people will get tips as well.
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When I paid for drinks I always added a couple bucks to the ticket in addition to the 15%.
I was told this went into the drink servers/bartenders pool.

Anything I added in the restaraunts went into the wait staff/room attendants pool.

The greens I slipped anyone stayed in their pocket.

This was per the bartender on the aft deck and the waitress in Cagney's on the Pearl.
I continue to belive that this info is accurate.
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I was in the restaurant business for many years. When a service person is tipped over and above what is expected, and has done the work to deserve the reward. The service person makes sure to "pool" or "tip" people that have contributed to there superior service accordingly, but nothing stops them from keeping what was meant for them in their own pocket.
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Pooling is common in other service industries, though. I don't know of any casino in the world where the dealers are not forced to pool tips. Not that they're complaining....a blackjack dealer at the Wynn makes about $150 - 200K per year.
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If you tip in cash ...most cruiselines require the crew to turn in all the money.. anything over the standard rate they get to keep but the rest is put in to the pool.
While most believe this misconception to be true, it is not. ALL tips, auto-tips, envelope tips, hand delivered tips, tips left on the table, or in short all money given to the staff goes into the pool, not just the "overage". This is then distributed to all service people.
Here's a link to an article on here that explains tipping policies for different lines:

http://www.cruisemates.com/articles/.../tipping06.cfm
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