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radiofreebc January 22nd, 2011 02:08 AM

Be generous
 
I know tipping is a hot topic, and there is a very good argument to be made for tipping to be a reward for excellent service, but I hope people realize that gratuity-based crew depend on tips...and that it's not a reward...it's the majority of their wage.

They're paid very poorly by the lines and they work very hard. I know it's not right that the burden is on the guest, but the cruise companies have decided that it's the stockholders who should be paid, and not the crew, so they've put it on you.

So, don't punish the crew by not tipping. It's not their fault that the CFO wants the stock to go up, by cutting costs. Tip the hard working crew, and then call the cruise line, get together on a forum like this, and communicate to them that you won't cruise with them again unless they address the issue.

I worked on a ship called "The World" for a year, and it was a no-tipping ship. Everyone made a living wage. That's not the case on cruise ships. They really do depend on your tips, but it created a really nice atmosphere where everyone felt like an equal among the crew. Everyone was validated by making a living wage...which isn't the case on cruise ships. Many crew work like slaves, and then are made to feel like it's their fault they didn't get tips. They're being stretched further and further in this new economy, and the kind of personal service that you think deserves a tip is almost impossible, given the massive workload most gratuity-based crew have.

Let's just put it this way...How would you feel if you made $200/mth and worked 14 hour days? It's hard to always be positive when people aren't tipping. That's less than $2/hr. I'd find it hard to go above and beyond when I knew it wasn't going to make a difference. It's hard these days.

fun2cruiz March 11th, 2011 01:52 AM

You are right in that it's not their fault their employer is not paying them a decent wage, but on the other hand, no one made them take the job. They were well aware of their wages when they signed that contract !

I will tip according to the service provided and will not be bullied into excessive tipping using the "oh poor me cruise staff member" mentality.

Tipping is very personal and really should not be a concern of anyone but the person who is providing a tip to the staff.

Phil&Liz March 11th, 2011 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fun2cruiz (Post 1358579)
You are right in that it's not their fault their employer is not paying them a decent wage, but on the other hand, no one made them take the job. They were well aware of their wages when they signed that contract !

I will tip according to the service provided and will not be bullied into excessive tipping using the "oh poor me cruise staff member" mentality.

Tipping is very personal and really should not be a concern of anyone but the person who is providing a tip to the staff.

100% agree with this post !

fun2cruiz March 11th, 2011 12:52 PM

Thanks.... :) although I may just be a Jr. Member..... I will change status soon by helping add knowledge of cruising to this site and its members after getting fed up with another cruise website we all know of !

Dhill March 12th, 2011 04:45 PM

My wife and I are new to the cruise scene being that we are taking are first ever cruise in 14 days to Hawaii.WE were just talking about this subject today.We are sailing on the Sapphire Prince and they automicaly charge your ship board account I forget excatly how much but for me and my wife it will be close to $300.00.So before we ever step foot on the ship we have a $300.00 bill! they say you can go down to the desk or somewhere and have it reduced but that would be embarassing.:)

Kamloops Cruiser March 12th, 2011 05:00 PM

You have to remember that the wage of $200 USD is almost a years wage in many countries where these crewmembers come from . As North American's we are used to high wages. In some countries like indonisia and Malaysia the daily wage is only about $10 US per day if they can find a job at all.

fun2cruiz March 12th, 2011 05:11 PM

Congrats on your first cruise and to Hawaii... that is GREAT !!!

$10.50 per day per passenger is the auto gratuity guideline charged to your portfolio and will be split amongst the staff that are taking care of you.

When you see how hard the staff are going to work to please you and make your cruise enjoyable, you will realize that they have earned the auto tips. I hope that they impress you enough to EARN a gratuity "Bonus" for anything they do that exceeds your expectations !

Have a GREAT 1st cruise and please report back to us with a review of your cruise when you return !

Bon Voyage'

fun2cruiz March 12th, 2011 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by doopydozer (Post 1358955)
You have to remember that the wage of $200 USD is almost a years wage in many countries where these crewmembers come from . As North American's we are used to high wages. In some countries like indonisia and Malaysia the daily wage is only about $10 US per day if they can find a job at all.

Thus their eagerness to work on a cruise ship... And if they are good at what they do, they can make alot of money to send back to their familes....Although their hours are long and I am sure they are tired by the end of their contract, the fruits of their labor are worth it for them and their families at home.

Kamloops Cruiser March 12th, 2011 05:33 PM

If we paid them a decent American wage what would the cost be of a cruise?
We normally pay about 200USD/day . Would the fare be 500/day or 1000/day.
If the fares where that high , who could afford to cruise:confused:? If no one cruised the cruise lines wouldn't exist and these people from Indonesia , Malaysia etc wouldn't jobs.:confused: . The travel agents in Canada and the US wouldn't anything to sell . Therefore the whole travel sector wouldn't exist either .

One simple change in wages could cause the whole cruise/travel industry to collapse .
If you look at Regent where the staff is paid a decent wage , could the average person afford
to cruise .

fun2cruiz March 12th, 2011 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by doopydozer (Post 1358968)
If we paid them a decent American wage what would the cost be of a cruise?
We normally pay about 200USD/day . Would the fare be 500/day or 1000/day.
If the fares where that high , who could afford to cruise:confused:? If no one cruised the cruise lines wouldn't exist and these people from Indonesia , Malaysia etc wouldn't joibs.:confused:

Thats why ships are foreign flagged.....they can pay the cheap wages and count on guests to fill the gap ! ;)

$100.00 per day is our guideline for cruising....and am usually able to have a nice balcony stateroom for that per diem when sailing in off peak times. :cool:

Dhill March 12th, 2011 05:59 PM

I think If the cruise line is going to charge you 10.50 a day I would rather pay that in the price of the cruise instead of having it put on my account balance! We did not put are cruise on a credit card we saved up the cash then paid.That way you could save up for the tips to. It seems there are alot of diffrent opions on this matter wonder how it would work if they gave you options on how to pay for the tips like on your account or in price of cruise?S:)eems like it would be a hassle to go around and hand tips out to every single person you wanted to tip! Oh we are every excited about are vacition Kukis reports helped us out so much!:)

Dhill March 12th, 2011 06:03 PM

[QUOTE=Dhill;1358973]I think If the cruise line is going to charge you 10.50 a day I would rather pay that in the price of the cruise instead of having it put on my account balance! We did not put are cruise on a credit card we saved up the cash then paid.That way you could save up for the tips to. It seems there are alot of diffrent opions on this matter wonder how it would work if they gave you options on how to pay for the tips like on your account or in price of cruise?Seems like it would be a hassle to go around and hand tips out to every single person you wanted to tip! Oh we are every excited about are vacition Kukis reports helped us out so much! This will also be my wifes first time flying

Dhill March 12th, 2011 06:06 PM

SORRY ABOUT THAT I FEEL REALLY STUPID NOW SORRY:confused:

fun2cruiz March 12th, 2011 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dhill (Post 1358973)
I think If the cruise line is going to charge you 10.50 a day I would rather pay that in the price of the cruise instead of having it put on my account balance! We did not put are cruise on a credit card we saved up the cash then paid.That way you could save up for the tips to. It seems there are alot of diffrent opions on this matter wonder how it would work if they gave you options on how to pay for the tips like on your account or in price of cruise?S:)eems like it would be a hassle to go around and hand tips out to every single person you wanted to tip! Oh we are every excited about are vacition Kukis reports helped us out so much!:)

And many feel the same as you do, but personally I prefer it NOT being in the cruise fare.... I can then decide if I prefer to tip on my own....leave it on....adjust it up or down..... and the current method gives that flexibility. Whenever we cruise.... we always plan for gratuities and coome prepared with c.card or cash in hand !

Lakers Fan March 12th, 2011 09:44 PM

Good service merits tipping .

fun2cruiz March 12th, 2011 09:56 PM

service EXCEEDING expectations deserves an ADDITIONAL "gratuity" above the norm.

Lakers Fan March 12th, 2011 10:12 PM

Always
 
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Originally Posted by fun2cruiz (Post 1359034)
service EXCEEDING expectations deserves an ADDITIONAL "gratuity" above the norm.


I agree with you

Dhill March 13th, 2011 12:38 PM

I also feel that good service deserves a reward .I Just do not like the idea of starting out the cruise with a $300.00 bill before we ever step a foot on board.I am not against tipping if the service is good.I dont know I guess your going to pay it one way or another it would be nice if they gave you a choice? OR DO THEY? Is there a way you can have the tips put into the price of your cruise?:)

Kamloops Cruiser March 13th, 2011 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dhill (Post 1359119)
I also feel that good service deserves a reward .I Just do not like the idea of starting out the cruise with a $300.00 bill before we ever step a foot on board.I am not against tipping if the service is good.I dont know I guess your going to pay it one way or another it would be nice if they gave you a choice? OR DO THEY? Is there a way you can have the tips put into the price of your cruise?:)

You can buy OBC before you cruise to the amount of the Tips.
Some cruise lines have you pre pay the tips if are using anytime dining.:cool:

Dhill March 13th, 2011 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by doopydozer (Post 1359122)
You can buy OBC before you cruise to the amount of the Tips.
Some cruise lines have you pre pay the tips if are using anytime dining.:cool:

I am sorry Im not following you If I bought OBC to the amount of the tips ($300) wouldnt We then have a bill on: are account for $600.00:)

Kamloops Cruiser March 13th, 2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dhill (Post 1359125)
I am sorry Im not following you If I bought OBC to the amount of the tips ($300) wouldnt We then have a bill on: are account for $600.00:)

The OBC is bought and paid for before you board. I always buy OBC before
i cruise because it reduces the charge to my credit card at the end. OBC is good for all charges to your on board account. This also includes tips.

Mike M March 13th, 2011 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dhill (Post 1359125)
I am sorry Im not following you If I bought OBC to the amount of the tips ($300) wouldnt We then have a bill on: are account for $600.00:)

No: You will start the cruise with a credit balance of $300. You would pay for the OBC by credit card "before" your cruise.

It is basically "pre-paying" your tips.

It is also allowing the cruise line to hold your money for x amount of time before your cruise. Basically a short-term, no interest, loan to the cruise line. ;)

Take care,
Mike

Dhill March 13th, 2011 01:17 PM

I get it now:idea: I did not think of that, see I learned something today thats a good day.I did not know that you could put money into you OBC before the cruise so if you booked 6 months out you could put a little in every month! INTERESTING. Thanks alot guys:)

Kamloops Cruiser March 13th, 2011 01:18 PM

It's no different then having to pay the cruise line final payment 70 days before departure or an airline for tickets that you'll be using 6 to 8 months in the future.The OBC can be bought no later then 14 days before the cruise. :cool:

Kamloops Cruiser March 13th, 2011 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dhill (Post 1359132)
I get it now:idea: I did not think of that, see I learned something today thats a good day.I did not know that you could put money into you OBC before the cruise so if you booked 6 months out you could put a little in every month! INTERESTING. Thanks alot guys:)

They usually require the OBC to be done increments $50 or $100 depending on the cruise line. Since I use a CC I pre pay the full OBC I want about 3 weeks before the cruise . Since the CC is only a instrument for the transcation , I have the cash on hand to pay the CC off right away .:x

fun2cruiz March 13th, 2011 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dhill (Post 1359119)
I also feel that good service deserves a reward .I Just do not like the idea of starting out the cruise with a $300.00 bill before we ever step a foot on board.I am not against tipping if the service is good.I dont know I guess your going to pay it one way or another it would be nice if they gave you a choice? OR DO THEY? Is there a way you can have the tips put into the price of your cruise?:)

But you are not charged the gratuities BEFORE you step foot onboard (unless you opted to pre pay the gratuities and that would have been your decision to PAY IN ADVANCE !), in fact the actual charge is not hitting your c.card until the final night of the cruise. You can prepay the gratuities in advance if you like, or prepay some OBC in advance as well, but I certainly do not want to give the cruiseline anymore $$ in advance then I need to ! :o You paid for the cruise BEFORE stepping foot onboard -not- the gratuities ;).... and that is by far, more $$ out of your pocket up front ! :-x

Dhill March 13th, 2011 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fun2cruiz (Post 1359167)
But you are not charged the gratuities BEFORE you step foot onboard (unless you opted to pre pay the gratuities and that would have been your decision to PAY IN ADVANCE !), in fact the actual charge is not hitting your c.card until the final night of the cruise. You can prepay the gratuities in advance if you like, or prepay some OBC in advance as well, but I certainly do not want to give the cruiseline anymore $$ in advance then I need to ! :o You paid for the cruise BEFORE stepping foot onboard -not- the gratuities ;).... and that is by far, more $$ out of your pocket up front ! :-x

I understand what you are saying my view is that we did not put our cruise on a credit card it was paid for in cash .We feel it is more relaxing to go on the cruise and have it already paid If I would of known that you could put money on your OBC I would of done that. And we do not use credit cards we have 2 for emergencys but if we want to take a trip or buy something(besides a car or our house of course) we just save up the money.And just because they dont take the money for the tips until the end of the cruise you are still stepping on board with a bill even if it is due at the end of the cruise its still a bill. We will not be using a CC for our on board account. we will put money in a checking account and use a debit card:-P

Kamloops Cruiser March 13th, 2011 05:55 PM

As a canadian I can't use my debit card on board or in the US.
With my debit card , if outside Canada there is a $5 US plus a 4%
fee to use it.:x

fun2cruiz March 13th, 2011 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dhill (Post 1359188)
I understand what you are saying my view is that we did not put our cruise on a credit card it was paid for in cash .We feel it is more relaxing to go on the cruise and have it already paid If I would of known that you could put money on your OBC I would of done that. And we do not use credit cards we have 2 for emergencys but if we want to take a trip or buy something(besides a car or our house of course) we just save up the money.And just because they dont take the money for the tips until the end of the cruise you are still stepping on board with a bill even if it is due at the end of the cruise its still a bill. We will not be using a CC for our on board account. we will put money in a checking account and use a debit card:-P

Yes, it is in reality a charge you will incur. I would strongly suggest NOT using a debit card..... too may potential problems i.e. "compromise or theft" which some banks will not protect you from. Also consider the "authorization hold" that will be placed on your debit card account that can take days to be released (freeing up funds in account) by your bank. Debit cards can be a nightmare and believe me when I say that I have been told horror stories from clients using them onboard or in a port of call. JMHO and worth thinking about. :cool:

Personally I would opt for a c.card for onboard charges, then pay in cash at the end of your cruise if you do not want that bill hanging over your head till you get the c.card statement from your bank.


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