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Old August 19th, 2000, 12:35 AM
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I hate the way the cruise lines push you to attend art auctions, as if they're some special perk for passengers. Cruise lines get 50% of the revenue of these auctions, and Celebrity even built a special art auction hall on its ship. They should be more up-front about this kind of thing. And, the recommended stores they push to you visit also pay a kick back to the cruise line for listing them.
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I agree,especially about the over-priced "art" auctions. My solution: I don't go to the auctions and I refuse to shop in any "recommended" shops.
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I agree with you. The art auctions should go. If they must have them at least don't pound it into the ground. I could care less and I'm sure there are a lot of others who think this way. Use your comment cards and let them know what you think.
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Anne,

I couldnt agree more. What's funny is what some cruise lines bill as "art". In fact, when I sailed aboard the Sky, the picture hanging above my bed was sold at auction. I came back to my cabin and found a new piece of "art" hanging. Geesh!

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I visited the art auctions on all of the cruises I have been on. What I found is that they are fairly well attended and much of the stuff seems to sell. I don't know why, I can't think of a bigger pain in the butt than to have to drag a piece of art home. I assume they take them out of the phoney frames, roll them up and shove them in a tube. What really drives me nuts is that they will put up a picture and then tell everyone that it is "appraised at ...." What a bunch of bull hockey. Yea, appraised at. I'll bet. I figure it's like baseball cards and beanie babies - everyone says this one or that one is worth $50.00 - yea, great, I'm happy for you - now try selling it for that. They are worth what some boob is willing to pay. Go to eBay and run the name of Mickey Mantle - there are hundreds and hundreds of ball cards for sale on eBay - they have to practically give them away. And this is true with this "art" - if you will.
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Pet pieve on auctions, at least on Carnival, is that I happen to like the library as a quite place to read or write a letter. Too often, I find the library filled with the auction works, taking up the space, displayed propped-up on chairs, etc. I agree with the "appraised at" comment of another poster. If it is "appraised" at $1000, they should be able to sell it for that, not $500. Why auction it off for 1/2 if it can be sold on street for the appraised amount. ON the surface, seems like bad business sense. Of course, appraised and worth are 2 different figures!
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Old September 19th, 2000, 07:28 PM
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They drive me nuts!!!!!!!!! Take up space in a lounge, etc., that could be used for something more passengers would enjoy. Having to listen as you walk through the hall or in a nearby spot is nerve wracking. They have the hall lined up with "art" so you have to be careful where you walk and the ones on the metal easels are dangerous when they have them sitting all over the halls. Guess what? I don't like them.
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Old September 20th, 2000, 11:07 PM
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I reallt enjoyed going to the art auction. I have never been to one before and there was a lot of nice peices that we were tempted to buy, but wanted to be good. I didn't feel they were trying to push the art auction, because I heard them anounce it on the pa system that it was ready to begin and I saw it advertised in the daily news letter. We liked art and happened to pass by the room that they wer holding the auction and that is why we attended one. I really enjoyed the auction and seeing all the fine pieces of art. The art seemed to go pretty fast, excpecially the ones under 300.00.
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We really like going to these. So far we have bought 5 items, one being a Peter Max that we know we paid less than what we can sell it for. No, they do not take them out of the frames & roll them up. Some pieces you carry off the ship, frame and all, but most are sent to you. We don't look at it as an investment, but buy things we enjoy. Last year was our first cruise, which was also our Honeymoon. We had also just purchased our first home. We bought 4 last year that we really liked for the house. Now we can look at them & have them remind us of being on our Honeymoon. For us it beats a t-shirt any day!
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Old September 27th, 2000, 02:51 AM
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On my last 4 cruises I have attended the art auctions, and have bought each time. I bought several Peter Max and a Dahli, all have been appraissed higher then what I paid for them. They were all framed to my taste and shipped to me. I think if you are into buying nice art work, this is a wonderful thing to check out.
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We enjoyed the art auction on Royal Caribbean's Sovereign of the Seas last year at Christmas--mainly for the free champagne they were serving. We did not buy any of the art, and it wasn't really much of an auction. (We sell antiques and collectibles and attend 50-60 real auctions each year.)

Basically, the auctioneer let people choose which pieces they were interested in. He would tell them what the acceptable opening bid was for a piece. Only a few times was there actual bidding between people for a piece. I considered it a relaxing way to spend an hour, drinking free champagne, and avoiding the sun.

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I felt the same way on the Dawn Princess. Nice cool champagne and a nice way to spend an hour. Oh yes, the auctioneer was not hard on the eyes either.
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at least you were lucky in that you had a picture someone wanted to buy...on our recent cruise on the Celebrity Millennium, the art was atrocious...nothing anyone would let within 10 blocks on their home...and we had to look at this!
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I hate the way the cruise lines push you to attend art auctions, as if they're some special perk for passengers. Cruise lines get 50% of the revenue of these auctions, and Celebrity even built a special art auction hall on its ship. They should be more up-front about this kind of thing. And, the recommended stores they push to you visit also pay a kick back to the cruise line for listing them.
Does anyone really go to these things?
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I didn't go to the auction but I did enjoy looking at the artwork. Some of it wasn't very good, but some of it was excellent. I don't think I would ever buy anything but the actual auction didn't bother me either. To each his own.
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Its an option, if you have money to burn and want a "momento". I just feel sorry for the poor sods that think they bought a "special" piece of art when they dont actually have the money to waste.

Its not just the art auctions, how many people actually go to the "SPA" treatments at the prices they charge

And how many go and play the Microsoft Golf Simulator on a big screen priced at least thirty bucks a time

How many can throw chip after chip onto the casino tables evernight

Those with money to burn 8), but they help subsidise the rest for everyone else onboard
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Its an option, if you have money to burn and want a "momento". I just feel sorry for the poor sods that think they bought a "special" piece of art when they dont actually have the money to waste.
Can you really be sure they didn't, I admit I'm not well versed about these things but maybe? 8)
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Jen you are lucky some never got their art work or it came DAMAGE and in some cases they over paid.
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You dragged up a post from 2000, and the last posted well over a year ago, WHY?

Okay, I read you need to respond for some reason. Did this happpen to you? or someone you know?

"Jen you are lucky some never got their art work or it came DAMAGE and in some cases they over paid".

What's the reality behind that statement, in your experience? Who did that happen to?
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You dragged up a post from 2000, and the last posted well over a year ago, WHY?

Okay, I read you need to respond for some reason. Did this happpen to you? or someone you know?

"Jen you are lucky some never got their art work or it came DAMAGE and in some cases they over paid".

What's the reality behind that statement, in your experience? Who did that happen to?
There have been MANY articles written about art auction "scams" and passengers unhappy with shipboard art purchases.

When posting on the message boards there's generally no "burden of proof" to post. If there were, there may be very few posters.

People post opinions, other who read those opinions determine how much weight they'll attribute to what they read.
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I'm amazed you fond this thread. Kuki - but I'm glad you did.

If you haven't read the front page article on cruise auctions yet your REALLY should.

Art auctions on cruise ships have become controversial for a number of reasons - caveat emptor, buying art is risky and expensive.

http://www.cruisemates.com/articles/...ons-071808.cfm
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Paul:

That is a very good article on the subject of cruise ship art auctions. I really hope this cruise "tradition" (?) goes away soon. It is just one more thing that makes the cruise experience more commercial, and makes me feel more like a captive market -- all regardless of whether the auctions are on the up-and-up or not.

To make matters worse, at least one line is using the "art" awaiting auction as decor for the ship! This makes for a very uncoordinated decor, to say the least.
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Okay Cookie, the poster made a statement with no justification behind it, that is all I was saying. We can all jump on a bandwagon re opinion, and I know the current standing of art auctions as well as you and Paul on lines.

But why did they drag up an old post with no real reason for apparently doing so?

That’s all I asked 8) Was it to give a personal example of their experience or what’s new in this area, eh no, but if they had quoted an article like Paul did, it would be new or different on the subject.

Why drag it up just to agree? That dont make sense, but I agree its opinion and I would never try to take that away
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I think it's funny, but you can not please all the people all of the time. I have been on over 30 cruises and have subscribed to and have read cruise travel magazine for over 20 years and it seems like many people have one gripe or another. I have heard complaints on every cruise about the shows, the casinos, the dress in the dining rooms, the price of spa treatments, the price of shore excursions, drinks, and the list goes on and on. I have an idea, If you don't like something, dont participate. No one is forcing anyone to do any of these things. I have enjoyed every one of my cruises and they have not all been perfect. That being said, to each their own. I personally don't like the crowed halls where all the photos are being displayed. So What, I don't complain about it. I just find another path to where I am going. By the way, I am a retired auctioneer (not aboard cruise ships) but have thought about it. I enjoy going to the auctions and learning about art, to me it is interesting and relaxing. [/b]
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IMHO~Support your local artists! Enjoy your cruise.
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I think it's funny, but you can not please all the people all of the time. I have been on over 30 cruises and have subscribed to and have read cruise travel magazine for over 20 years and it seems like many people have one gripe or another. I have heard complaints on every cruise about the shows, the casinos, the dress in the dining rooms, the price of spa treatments, the price of shore excursions, drinks, and the list goes on and on. I have an idea, If you don't like something, dont participate. No one is forcing anyone to do any of these things. I have enjoyed every one of my cruises and they have not all been perfect. That being said, to each their own. I personally don't like the crowed halls where all the photos are being displayed. So What, I don't complain about it. I just find another path to where I am going. By the way, I am a retired auctioneer (not aboard cruise ships) but have thought about it. I enjoy going to the auctions and learning about art, to me it is interesting and relaxing. [/b]
Great post and good point. I think art is like wine....Alot of people are interested in it but very few know a whole lot about it.

Having lived in wine country many years, I know maybe slightly more than the average person about wine ( and I do mean slightly). I see people purchase bottles of wine on ships that they pay 25 dollars for that I could walk in a supermarket in Napa Valley and get for 5 bucks on sale. I don't think it's alot different with art and I don't think the cruiselines are any more at fault for what they can sell "art" for than marking up a bottle of wine of questionable quality 500 pct. For that matter, is it any worse than selling a "drink of the day" that cost them maybe 50 cents to make for 9 bucks?...Don't even get me started on bottled water lol.

If there is a demand for it and the cruiselines can make cash from let them roll on with it. If they didn't do events like these, cruisng would be alot more expensive for all of us.
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Ready2board I agree with you that if you overpay for art on a cruiseship because you didn't know do your research that on you. However, if you buy a bottle of wine and go to drink it but the wine turns out to be vinegar that was mislabeled to trick you into buy it that is another issue al together. The Salvador Dal* prints with a pencil signature are fakes.

This is from an article about park west in the NY times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/ar...gewanted=print
“Since Dal* did not sign any of these prints in black pencil, a pencil signature on one must be a forgery,” Mr. Field wrote.
Here is an interesting article about how the fake Dal* prints came into being. http://www.fineartregistry.com/artic...i-parkwest.php
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One thing that is different about an auction on a cruise ship is that they have a captive market. There are two things that I do not like about ships having these. First, the ships tend to over-commercialize them with noisy announcements over the loudspeakers and/or with flyers left in the rooms. Second, Some ships tend to use art awaiting auction as wall decor for their ships, which results in uncoordinated wall decor.
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jersla,,,,dont let this bother you as a reply, I do it sometimes.... I like your style and for all the examples you quoted, thats why Gripes exists.

Your okay, you have the reality chip 8)
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Ready2board I agree with you that if you overpay for art on a cruiseship because you didn't know do your research that on you. However, if you buy a bottle of wine and go to drink it but the wine turns out to be vinegar that was mislabeled to trick you into buy it that is another issue al together. The Salvador Dal* prints with a pencil signature are fakes.

This is from an article about park west in the NY times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/ar...gewanted=print
“Since Dal* did not sign any of these prints in black pencil, a pencil signature on one must be a forgery,” Mr. Field wrote.
Here is an interesting article about how the fake Dal* prints came into being. http://www.fineartregistry.com/artic...i-parkwest.php
Kat...I see your point. But most people are ordering low quality wine to begin with and seem to love it usually. It's always fun to watch them order the "white zinfandel", taste it, and tell everyone at the table how nice it is lol. White zin is the most bottom of the barrel (no pun) stuff that wineries put out yet they make huge money from it. Winemakers jokingly call it Chateu Cashflow! It's the same quality, generally, as "ripple", Thunderbird etc...BUT it's presented nicely in a pretty bottle so people think they are getting something great. Also, most American wines are meant to be consumed once they are on the market and not aged for a long time like alot of French wines etc. So I also always get a kick how somebody at the table, pretending to be a wine snob, asks the waiter how long the white zin has been aged for lol. It's actually rare to get a bad bottle of American made wine unless it's been exposed to tremendous heat or something at some point.

I just couldn't help but see the similarities in how people look at art and wine. Put it in the right environment, make a big fuss about how it's presented and most will think it's top quality stuff.
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