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Elaine December 6th, 2001 06:26 PM

Just reading--"Shorts in the dining room" and other forms of casual dress. Wondering why cruise lines do not enforce the rules they themselves have set up, such as no children in the hot tubs. Have also seen children in the casinos.

Bill December 6th, 2001 07:24 PM

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Shorts in the dining room,no reserving chairs at poolside, no kids in the hot tubs, no kids in the casino, no reserving seats in the theatre,disembark only when your colored tag is called , etc etc.
Cruiselines like most other businesses walk a fine line between rules that help to maintain the atmosphere that the majority of their patrons desire, the orderly running of the ship and having confrontations with the minority who insist upon breaking the rules.( that may in and of themselves be more disruptive than the rule that was broken) The passengers' arguement almost always being "I'm paying for this vacation and I don't have to obey your silly rules".
Luckily most people obey rules and so we generally live in an orderly society. The problem with cruise ship "rules" is that there can rarely be much consequence to the rules and the passengers know it. What are they going to do, throw you off the ship because your kid hogged the hot tub all afternoon or have six bus boys drag you kicking and screaming from the dining room because you are not wearing a jacket? We all know they aren't going to do that , so a certain percentage of us do whatever they please.
When the rules are enforced you might then read a comment in this section from the outraged and aggreived passenger who will "never sail with THEM again".
The unfortunate thing is when someone does finally push enough buttons and break enough rules or picks the wrong one to break. What happens then is , yes, the passenger is put off the ship.. Just ask the passengers who didn't quite believe that Carnival's non smoking ship is absolutely non smoking.
I would guess that the same people who break these rules can be found at home parked in the handicapped spaces or stopped in the fire lane, or double parked while they just run inside to get a pack of cigarettes.
I think todays cruise lines are scrambling to fill cabins and repeat customers fill cabins. The rule breakers are not coming back if you bust their chops about everything. On the other hand I wonder if the cruise lines think about those passengers who conduct themselves gracefully in life and are the minor victoms of the "rule breakers".
If they see enough of it, maybe they, very quietly, won't come back!!!
Happy cruising, I have to go now and put a towel and a book on two poolside chairs, after all I'll be needing to sit on them next May when I cruise again and I want to make sure I have a good seat.

Kuki December 7th, 2001 05:08 PM

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The cruise lines not enforcing their own recommended rules of behavior is one of my pet peeves.
Why waste the ink if anything goes.


James December 9th, 2001 09:58 PM

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I almost hate to reply to this one, but times being what they are, my short hairs are raised.
If you come back to your lounge chair to find your belongings dumped on the deck, too bad. If you are dripping wet from the pool, I may be more willing to curb my attitude.
If your child comes crying to you because I ran him out of the hot tub, too bad.
If I run you out of anywhere because you aren't following the standards set out by the vacation site of MY choice, too bad.
You see, I too have paid for this vacation, and expect what I paid for. No more, no less.
Don't tread on me and I shall do the same for you.

holly December 10th, 2001 07:23 PM

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GO FOR IT. I am sailing 12/13 on the Spirit and DEFINATLY plan to insist cruise line rules are followed regarding hot tubes etc. I am an adult. Paid hard earned dollars for this vacation and WILL NOT allow obnoxous 10-17 yr olds to ruin it. I have seen far too many parents totally abdicate responsibility for their children's activities and actions even in the local grocery store. And I have cruised with my kids back when they wee 13/9 and 14/10. Today, they teach high school at risk kids and3rd gade in our local public systems.

Jim Munkittrick December 14th, 2001 12:37 PM

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A breath of fresh air!
Not only on vacations, but throughout our society we have dumbed down standards and basic courtesies!
I couldn't have said it better!

If you fall into the catagory of being ill-mannered, rude and your money, go buy some hot dogs and whatever brand of beer is on sale and stay home!

Elaine December 14th, 2001 05:37 PM

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Ditto, Jim

jomama December 17th, 2001 10:18 AM

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Jim, I agree with you about the Norway, and I agree with you about this. I don't know where this trend is more prevalent - on cruise ships or at the High School where I teach.


Nancy January 31st, 2002 09:09 PM

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whatever happened to the days when adults could grab a kid by the ear and drag him off to find the parents....

James January 31st, 2002 11:57 PM

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Nancy, want to know what happened? Here we go..

It used to be the standard that you didn't do wrong because it was socially punished. An example would be that a family would be looked down upon if their child did something that was gererally accepted as wrong. I remember the phrase "what would the neighbors think!?" from my childhood.
Today, the social punishment has been over-run by physical punishment. It has been my observation that people are much more apt to sucuumb to a physical threat, thereby allowing previously unthought of actions to occur. If you weren't, or aren't capable of protecting yourself from a physical threat, your recourse would be the law. The law, however, blind as it is, cannot see all of the situations exactly as they may be.
You may take a child by the ear, only to be confronted by an equally arrogant and ignorant parent. Your choice is then dealing with the confrontation or appealing to the law / rules / governing body, etc.
I try to deal with the confrontation. At times it is difficult, but if the correct method is chosen, it usually works. Remember that first and foremost, you are an American. You have rights and honors above all others. Your freedoms are guaranteed. If these rights are imposed upon, then you have been treated wrongly, by American standards. The person that you confront is usually an American, but has lost some of his or her patriotism in the hassle of life. Remind them of the truths that made us the seat of democracy. Remind them of your rights. I'm sure that all of us have had family members fall in some battle to preserve these freedoms. You can do anything that you want to, as long as it dosen't interfere with anybody else. Period.
People don't mess with me,my family or my stuff because I let people know how I feel. Surround yourself with the same type people. Take a cruise with them. Cook some hot dogs and drink beer with them (Jim). You'll find a whole world of people that just want to do the same thing.
Every family should have a posse. Do you want to mess with my posse? I doubt it. Would I want to mess with your posse? I doubt that also. Don't confuse a posse with a gang. A gang does what is good for the gang, while a posse does what is good for society. Get a group that knows what is right. Teach those that don't know. Live and be there to see what you can.

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