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Old February 27th, 2002, 10:03 AM
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Yes, more smoker bashing. We just came back from the Golden where our balcony was totally exposed. Every morning I went out to find matches and ashes on the floor and chairs. Don't you smokers realize that you can catch the ship ON FIRE throwing matches around???!!!!! Use an ashtray already!
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Old February 27th, 2002, 10:47 AM
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What you said, jj.

And if you ask nicely at one of the bars, they will give you one of those windproof ashtrays.

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Old February 27th, 2002, 12:34 PM
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agree..........use an ashtray!
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Old February 27th, 2002, 01:41 PM
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Oh what a wonderful way to cruise, being showered in butts, ash and matches as you enjoy the sunset from your balcony!
Yet another reason we are returning to the Paradise for the third time this May 2 for the new 10 day southern. We have cruised with other lines, Holland America, Norwegian and Royal Caribbean but dislike being exposed to smokers and the filth that comes with them, the cancer causing second hand smoke, the stink in our hair and clothes, the ash blowing onto us from their ashtrays when we sit by the pool. The idiots who dance in the disco with lit cigarettes. Why would I want to spend my vacation dollars for a week on a floating ashtray with a bunch of cancer patients?


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Paul.......get a grip.........sail on the Paradise and you won't have that problem. Ahhh to be perfect like some here <G>. Show me a person with no vices and I will show you a liar.
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Old February 27th, 2002, 05:15 PM
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Rick, read what Paul said. He said he WAS staying onboard the Paradise to avoid smokers. Quite frankly I would love to see more ships for non-smokers, but that is a personal preferance. Many smokers are polite and respectful people, some aren't. Some don't really know that the smoke is really offensive to some and you can blame some of that on the rabid anti-smokers. As you said, nobody is perfect.
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Old February 27th, 2002, 05:46 PM
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As he should.
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Old February 27th, 2002, 10:50 PM
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Very interesting. I didn't know cancer caused second hand smoke. Thanks for the info.
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Old February 27th, 2002, 11:04 PM
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I think we need ships to cater to all ie: no kids... no smoking... no drunks... no perfume ...nogripes!!!
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What ever happened to the tradition on some lines that one side of the ship (or certain levels) would be non-smoking? That was a great solution, common in the cruise industry just a couple of years ago, that seems to have been abandoned. Is this just another example of the mass market lines giving us less and less of what we want?
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It really is a shame that people are not more considerate of others. I DO smoke and make every attempt not to offend others. When smoking in the cabin I always burn a candle. It keeps the oder down and keeps the cabin smelling fresh. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that cigarette butts and matches should NOT be tossed overboard. It doesn't matter where we go, I will NEVER toss a butt and leave it for someone else to pick up. IMHO that's just not "the right thing to do".
We had a fully exposed cabin on the Golden and did find some debris on our balcony most mornings, which WAS a real irritation. And on the NCL Star in Hawaii we witnessed a REAL idiot.......who tossed a beer can overboard. We had a night time sailing from Hilo to Kona which sailed by a live volcano spewing lava into the ocean. This was a sight to behold and VERY exciting. Imagine the beauty of this..........and then this inconsiderate FOOL threw his ____ beer can overboard. I am not a physical person......but if I could have gotten my hands on him I would have nailed him.
Sorry to have gone on so but this REALLY MADE ME MAD.
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Old March 1st, 2002, 08:37 AM
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Please do NOT burn a candle in your cabin - FIRE is FIRE. A candle could start a fire onboard just like a match. Please for all our safety do not burn a candle.
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Try a Christian cruise for the no drunks one. I saw one advertised once that promissed the bars would be closed (casinos too). But, Christians have kids and may smoke sooooooooo..... guess it won't be perfect.

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Old March 1st, 2002, 11:36 AM
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On our cruise a few weeks ago several times we found cigarette butts on the balcony--one morning there was a burned spot in one of the chairs. I felt kinda like it made us look bad but we had nothing to do with it.The worst experience I ever had was on the Ocean Princess a couple years ago--some nut above us kept spittin off the balcony--finally had to explain what would befall him if he didn't stop. One time I saw someone throw the bedding off the balcony on the Destiny! Hard to understand some folks.
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Old March 1st, 2002, 12:59 PM
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Agree......using candles on a ship....surrounded by deep water is not a good idea. Not a good idea regardless of how good the ships fire detection/extinguish system is. Also, these posts really have nothing to do with smokers......just inconsiderate people.
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A Christian Cruise? Depends on how you define "Christian". For example, many Roman Catholics I know of Irish descent drink like they have a hollow leg, and this definitely Christian religion (the world's largest) does not forbid it at all. Neither do Anglicans, Episcopalians, Eastern Orthodox, some Lutherans, some Methodists, and others.They also have no doctrine against smoking. Hey, if you want to meet God sooner than He had planned, He'll be ready for you anyway. I don't think these religions make much of a big leal out of gambling, either. In fact, I believe that these religions represent the majority of Christians worldwide, So we cant assume that "Christian" means no drinking, smoking, and gambling in all cases. But, for example, if a cruise were sponsored by the Southern Baptist Church, I'm sure these things would not be allowed.
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Old March 2nd, 2002, 01:16 PM
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Another smoker in denial.......

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Old March 2nd, 2002, 01:31 PM
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Rick I guess smokers are playing with fire in more than one way! Not only are they puffing the cancer sticks, without any concern for themselves or others around them whose health will suffer from the second hand smoke, but they are burning candles in their cabins to mask the stink, a foolish thing to do on a ship at sea, a disaster waiting to happen. Thank God I`m going on the Paradise, so I don`t have to think about the smoker in the next cabin falling asleep and burning the ship down to the waterline....

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Paul, Deb and I hope you have a great cruise.
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Old March 2nd, 2002, 02:57 PM
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Paul,

Ah yes, the filth and smell that comes with us smokers...and the whining and *****ing that comes from you non-smokers.....get a grip already....believe it or not, smokers have rights too. You may not like being exposed to smoke, etc, but smokers don't like being exposed to the complaining and the fake coughing routine...I'm glad you've found a happy home on the Paradise...you can enjoy your cruise with 2000 other people complaining about smokers back home...
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Old March 2nd, 2002, 04:03 PM
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Smoking--always the big debate!!--- Whining and bi---ing doesn't cause cancer. I'm for rights for everyone--listen to this-- I would love to "invent' a small pill that would emit a horrific odor along with blue smoke within 15 or 20 seconds of swallowing. As I have rights as a non smoker, when I got in a crowd of smokers who lit up, I would simply take a pill, start passing clouds of foul smelling blue smoke.
I'll call the pill "smarts". When someone starts to complain, I'll simply say--you smoke--I'll "smart"---- You don't smoke on me, I won't "smart" on you!! Fair enough?
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Old March 2nd, 2002, 04:32 PM
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I don't smoke, but for some reason a moderate degree of it from others does not bother me. (I never liked to be in unventilated "smoke filled rooms", even years ago when I smoked myself.) But I have relatives who are so sensitive to it that they get bad headaches and nose bleed from even one smoker in the room, so I understand the problem well.

Just a few years ago, the cruise lines used to have non smoking sides of the ship or some other plan to provide pretty much smoke free living quarters for those who want or need this, and still provide quarters for those who smoke. It worked out well, but the lines seem to have all discontinued this --- just as they have been quietly and gradually discontinuing and reducing other services to guests. This has the unfortunate effect of pitting cruise fans against each other, when it is really the cruise lines' fault for being so insonsiderate of their guests. If you check into any hotel of a quality above Motel 6, you will find non smoking rooms and sections of rooms available to you. As any cruise line should be offering a higher level of luxury and accommodation to its guests than Motel 6, the blame for this debate rests squarely upon them.
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I have no idea, why all the ships don't offer both non smoking and smoking lounges. Seems to make alot more sense than smoking sections. But alas that may just make too much sense <G>

In North America the largest percentage of the population are non smokers, so one would think ships catering to this market would follow the lead of the Carnival Paradise, and follow suit with more non smoking ships. Why hasn't this happened??
I think the answer is likely pretty obvious.... $$$$. Revenue generated on the non smoking Paradise must simply not compare with other ships where smoking is allowed.
At first everyone thought of the Paradise as an experiment, but it's now been around long enough to be used as a gauge, not an experiment.

We've seen lots of trends move from one cruise line to the next very quickly. Yet, we haven't seen anyone, including Carnival, add more non smoking ships to their fleets. And Rennaisance (the only other cruise line which offered non smoking ships) went broke. So, it seems the measure of the success of non smoking ships has fallen way below what is acceptable.

In the end, if non smokers simply continue to sail ships where smoking is allowed (even while complaining about it), their loudest voice (their vacation dollars) is what will be heard.

People can complain all they like about ships where smoking is allowed, but until they vote en masse with their $$$ and their feet, it's not going to change!

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Ron.....chill.....gezzzzzz. There are smoking and non smoking areas for goodness sakes
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I think you dwell too much on others vices <G>....Did you ever smoke Paul?
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Kuki: Do you have any idea why the idea of having guest rooms on non smoking sides of the ship, floors, sections, etc. went by the wayside? Is it that so few smoke anymore that the lines saw it as a non-issue? Or did the lines just not want to be bothered with sorting out rooms for smokers and non smokers?

Personally, I don't smoke and I'm one of the few "moderates" on this issue. On the last several cruises I've been on (on a good cross-section of lines), I've encountered so few smokers in public areas where this was permitted that I never really smelled the stuff! But, I would like the ability to book a room or suite that I know will not smell of stale smoke, and will not have it blowing directly on my balcony (if I have one) from the balcony next door. So, any thoughts on why the lines have actually gone backwards in the last few years on the matter of providing non smoking rooms and areas of rooms?
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I don't know of any line that has designated non-smoking cabins; but most ships I have been on have a designated "side" for smoking; the problem I have seen is that non-smokers tend to be the ones to invade the side of the ship that is set aside for smoking and raise a fuss (and before you jump down my throat, I am a non-smoker!) I've seen it happen on all 6 of my cruises, so these are not isolated incidents. Smoke usually does not bother me, but at times it does, and if it does and I am on the smoking side of the ship, I just get up and move - I don't have the right to ***** at a smoker while they are in a designated smoking area. A trick a friend of mine found is to bring along Fabreeze - it will take the smoke smell out of a lot of things, in my experience. I guess, like Babe Ruth, I am a moderate on this issue. But it really irks me to see someone who slugs down 12 beers a day on a cruise ***** at someone who smokes - they are BOTH doing damage to their bodies, but that is their right.
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I would like to clarify and make some apologies about my past practice of burning candles. The ONLY time that the candle was lit is when we were in the cabin and WIDE AWAKE (we don't drink). I am truly sorry if you are upset about this.
And also need to say I am sorry about going off on the beer can incident. Guess I was having a bad day.
Really really sorry.
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I an A smoker. I have observed smokers tend to drink and gamble more than non smokers. Could this possibly be the reason for all the gripes about smokers vs. the kudos for the non smoking cruise lines/ I CAME...I SMOKED ...I HAD A NICE TME...I TRIED NOT TO BOTHER FOLKS WITH MY SMOKE... I WAS ON A CRUISe!!!!!
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In cruising, just a few years can be an eternity! Just three years ago, several lines (RCI, NCL, and others) offered non smoking rooms and suites on non smoking sides of the ship, decks, etc. Then, just a few months ago, they quit doing so. Such a policy by the lines, if adopted again, would solve the original poster's problem. And mine, for that matter. But it seems that the lines are too cheap anymore to accomodate their guests needs and wants, including (but not limited to) this one. Please, let's blame the cruise lines, and not each other!
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