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Old May 9th, 2002, 09:10 PM
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People who complain about formal nights call it their vacation.
People who enjoy formal nights call it their cruise.

A traditional cruise was never taken by the majority of vacationers because of cost. As the costs have come down so has the class of the cruisers. The Griswalds can now go somewhere else other than WallyWorld for their "vacation".
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BABE.. On 7 day cruise Princess now has 2 formal nights, and the rest casual.

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I find dressing up far from stuffy on a cruise. It's an elegant way to have dinner with your mate. They cruise lines let you know the expected attire on certain nights. If you can't follow through, eat in the buffet. Even my 3 and 5 years olds wear suits in the dining room.
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Old May 10th, 2002, 11:20 AM
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Even though I dislike wearing a coat and tie, I do so on the two formal nights on a seven day cruise. I do object to wearing formal wear all evening, particularly in a warm theatre. I change to dress slacks ( not jeans) and a nice polo shirt. I also object to wearing a sports coat on the "Smart casual" nights RCI has. Since they seem to be all things to all people, I intend to wear a nice sports shirt and slacks on such nights. My luggage has no space for a suit or tux AND a sports coat.
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Old May 10th, 2002, 04:14 PM
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Well, I guess I should just unpack the 11 carefully chosen evening outfits for the LGL cruise and throw in some jeans and my favorite Pink Floyd T-shirt. Then unpack my husband's tux and white dinner jacket and navy blue blazer and throw in some more jeans and the T-shirt he loves from the 1999 Nude Miss Atlanta contest.

Then I should go out and rent a baby to go into the hot tub in nasty diapers and a couple of rude toddlers that I will pay no attention to throughout the cruise. Oh, and the teenagers, too, who are doping on the top deck because I won't pay attention to them, either. Or for whom I purchase cocktails because I think it's cute.

Don't forget the younger kids who push all the elevator buttons. (Gosh, but this kid rental gets expensive.)

Then, of course, I should take up cigar smoking. Cigars are expensive, too. And magnificentally annoying.

I might just fit right in with some of these attitudes.

Get a grip, people. There are certain expectations in ANY public venue ... cruise ship, hotel, restaurant, museum, you name it. If you don't like those expectations, don't go there. And don't expect that the entry fee allows you to flaunt the rules. "I paid for it and I will do as I darn well please."

Here is a corrollary ... you pay taxes for your local roads, streets, and highways. And you probably paid for your car. Does that allow you to exceed the speed limit? I don't think so.

And that is the rant of the day.
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Old May 10th, 2002, 05:13 PM
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I think (or at least hope) that most of us agree that when the ship designates a dinner dress code, we will follow it. Some may not like it. I may not like it at times. But we follow it.

So, why, do you think, that 95% of the cruises offered have pretty much the same formal night drill -- two dinners and a captain's reception. Why not more variety for the divrgent opinions and likes, and to make cruises different for those of us who like it formal or informal at different given times and places. Here some examples.

This Sep. we are going on a cruise to some pretty dressy places (e., Monte Carlo). Still the same two formal dinners and captain's reception. For these destinations, why not MORE occasions for formal dressing (dances, and such). I'm even getting a new tux for this one -- one that actually fits -- in an attempt to envoke the Carry Grant image (for which a vivid imagination will be needed).

Then, a few months later, we are cruising the islands around Tahiti. Here we prefer no formal nights because of the ativities we will be doing during the day, and the fact that the ship's guests would be the only ones wearing tuxes in 4000 miles! Here the ship obliges, and there are no formal nights.

As more and more people cruise, and have such divergent opinions on formal night, why don't the cruise lines accommodate by having some sailings informal, and having some even more formal, to give everyone a choice?
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Old May 12th, 2002, 01:15 PM
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Hello,

What happens when they close alternative dining the last night ? There is no other choice than to go to the dining room...
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Old May 12th, 2002, 04:58 PM
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Gogetter: On every cruise I have sailed the last (as well as the first) night is casual dress. There really is no need for an alternative restaurant.
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Hi, gogetter.............My husband and I opted for our dinner in our room on the last formal night, we were able to order off the dinner menu, so we had a lovely meal out on our balcony. I believe they shut down the alternative restaurants on the last night because they want you to go to the dining room to give the tip envelope to your waiter and assistant waiter, if you don't tip you get to eat a cold breakfast and they spit in your coffee. Just kidding, I think!!
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Old May 15th, 2002, 10:55 AM
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For all of you who feel they are on their vacation, they paid for it , and they will do what they please regardless of what the polcies are... Well, I hope those same folks are surrounded by all of the other people out there who feel the same way. You all can keep each other company. Meanwhile, for all of you who want the present policies enforced or changed, make sure you let the powers that be know about what you want. Write to corporate suits and policy makers.
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Old May 17th, 2002, 11:00 PM
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Pamda

I got a couple of kids I'll rent out real cheap, in fact I might actually pay you to take them. Ages 9 and 11 (these would be the unsupervised, pool splashers, elevator button pushing ones).

I hate to dress up, I don't even own a dress. I wear swishy pants and t-shirts most of the time. But when I went to prom 2 weeks ago, I dressed up. When I cruise in June, I will dress up for formal night. Its the right thing to do. More people just need to do the right thing.
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Old May 18th, 2002, 09:49 AM
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Coachsoftball. Hi! You,ve got the right idea here. Those who are adamant on one side of the formal issue or the other (I'm in the middle) need to check out cruises they are considering for dress requirements, then follow them if they book that cruise. If the dress requirements don't suit (no pun intended), then look for another cruise. Or just realize that no cruise will ever be perfect for you and decide to go along with the rules you may not like.

I'm beginning to sound like a broken record (or more currently, a skipping CD) but it seems that almost all cruises have the same two formal nights on a seven day cruise, leaving those who want more or fewer or none have few (if any) options. Hey, cruise lines! We need some!
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Old May 27th, 2002, 12:00 PM
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All those who show up inappropriately dressed should be escorted to a separate dining room for casual diners. This way the fancy diners won't have to look at people in jeans and the casual diners can feel comfortable and not out of place. They should still get the same food and service though. The alternate dining on some some ships is less than acceptable or you have to pay extra.Sue Sue wrote:

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Old May 28th, 2003, 10:20 AM
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I don't believe that a paying cuiser can be refused service due to their dress.
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Old May 28th, 2003, 11:24 AM
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wherever you work there is a dress code in varying degrees of formality ----do you decide to wear "nice jeans no holes" to work just because you want to or do you wear what is expected of you til the boss changes the dress code

the same holds true for cruise lines-----they establish the dress code and its not our place to figure out how to get around it by wearing "nice jeans no holes" you are expected to abide by the dress code until the c ruise line changes it--just like work-

as posted earlier ---dont go on a cruise where the dress code is more formal then you would like -------i wouldnt think of posting on an informal cruise board that everyone should dress up -----i would get flamed -----which basically is what you are getting here
for trying to change the dress code that the majority of posters are happy with and want to see continued
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Old May 28th, 2003, 02:50 PM
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My 2 cents (ok... 3 cents),
I'm a 42 year government contractor, also an Air Force retiree (21 years). My wife is a middle school Art teacher. So, our annual vacation means ALOT to us! We have been taking a cruise every other year, as really enjoy it!
What is the big deal about getting dressed up for dinner once or twice on a 7-day cruise? I look at it like this... my wife enjoys seeing me dressed up in a Tuxedo or a nice suit. It's VERY rare when I do nowadays. Since I'm retired, she told me that she misses seeing me in my dress blues. I REALLY enjoy seeing my wife in a lovely gown or evening dress. I even enjoy going to the show and casino after dinner still wearing my Tuxedo! I think I look pretty d*mn sharp in it and my wife is proud to be on my arm! (and that doesn't happen every day!).
Don't get me wrong, my wife would love to throw out half of my "Comfort Clothes".... I've got as many T-shirts, jerseys, and "holy" jeans as anyone in here! I just think it's nice to "dress to the nines" and enjoy a night on the "Town/ship" with my wife! She's happy... and that makes me happy! I actually feel, kind of special.

If you can't conform to the "dress policies" of the main dining room, use the alternative dining. There's no "steerage class" anymore, it's not like you don't have choices!

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Hi Dean,
I agree totally with you, I could never understand the gripes some have about getting dressed up for 2 evenings on a 7 day cruise. Besides the fact that the "dress" codes are all spelled out in the brochure and if its not something they want to do, then that cruise is just not for them, there are other vacation alternatives where getting dressed up is not one of them.

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Old May 28th, 2003, 03:58 PM
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OK. Heres MY 2 cents worth. Rules is rules ;-).
Sign says..... NO SMOKING... do you smoke?.. NO!
Sign says.... NO Parking........ do you park? ............... NO!
Sign says... NO Minors.......... do you take kids? ...... NO!
Sign says..... NO Entry.............. do you go in? .............. NO!
Sign says.... NO JEANS........... do you wear jeans..... NO!
OK, Yes... if you want to disregard the rules. Simple, Si? Now, who can take umbrage at that?
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Old May 29th, 2003, 01:51 PM
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I have to love the people who state that they can and will do as they please regardless of any guidelines. If you question their actions, they'll tell you to deal with it, it's their vacation and they paid for it. If anyone should enjoying their cruise does anything to annoy them, though, you'll be sure to hear about it in their review, along with a statement that "such-and-such" shouldn't be allowed and their vacation was ruined as a result.

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Old May 29th, 2003, 02:21 PM
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Dress formally for formal night or don't eat in the dinig room. If you don't want to dress up at all - don't go in the dinig room. It is more than a tradition.
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Old June 5th, 2003, 05:54 AM
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There are only a couple of formal nights on most cruises. My wife and I both look forward to these nights as it gives us the oportunity to dress for dinner in a way we never would at home. As had been stated earlier when booking a cruise we all know what to expect and there are 'casual only' cruises available. In the UK Ocean Village's advertising slogan is "The cruise for people who don't do cruises"
On a personal note I feel formal nights do give the ship a different atmosphere to casual or informal nights and I for one like that atmosphere. Would I like every night to be formal, no, as I feel that would take away the atmosphere.
Cruise holidays are different to other holidays and formal nights are one example of that, as such passengers should abide by the dress code.
For me the only statement that jeans make on formal nights is one of ignorance and the 'I know best or don't care mentality' If these rules do not apply to them I wonder what other rules these people have also selected to ignore?
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Old June 5th, 2003, 08:52 AM
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When I see these type posts, I have to wonder, did they buy the $600 inside cabin or did they pay $7,000 for a suite. Chances are the person who booked a cruise that listed "formal nights" and paid that much money is fully expecting to enjoy the experience. Then along comes someone who is on the ship because the "price couldn't be beat" and says that other people shouldn't have a problem if I do as I please, since I paid my hard earned money for this vacation. I would suggest that those who don't like or don't want to be on a cruise with a formal night forgo booking a cruise that offers a formal night, no matter how great a deal it was. Opt instead for an informal or party cruise, but try to bear in mind that most people on the ship bought the cruise for the "full experience", which includes dressing to the nines for a couple of nights.
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I don't think the price of the cabin should dictate the dress. I buy the $600 cabin but I dress appropriately not only on formal night but all nights in the dining room. Now those folks who want to wear jeans then there are other choices for dining and they should use it. My family hates when those folks "abuse the dress code". As a prior poster said you have a dress code at work and you don't wear what you want just because. Even schools have dress codes. I too get sick of the "I paid for this and I'm doing what I want". Sorry folks, it doesn't matter where you go, the rules may be different but they are always there no matter where. Get over it and dress nice if you eat in the dining room.

2 cruises ago on RCCL EOS a fellow wearing tank top, shorts and baseball cap wanted to eat lunch in the dining room. The staff asked him to remove his hat and he threw a fit. Also on this very cruise on 1st formal a young women thought that a loosely crocheted knit mini dress over a bikini was formal wear. You can't help but wonder what rock these people crawled out from. Enough said, that's JMHO.

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nushnakka - I'm not trying to dis those who opt for the lower priced cabins...heck, I was in one myself. But I would wonder, of all the "you can't tell me how to dress posts", how many of them were posted by those paying rock bottom for their cruise, and what exactly gives them the "right" to do what they want to do, regardless of what the cruise line requests. I just assume (I know one should never assume, but I'll do it here) that if someone is willing to pay $6,000 or more per person for a cruise, that they most likely fully intend to obey the cruise lines requests for formal dress on formal nights. And if they can spend that much and be "forced" to dress up, then why is it so difficult for some others to do likewise.

Perhaps some of the "don't tell me what to wear" folks would be better off looking for cruises with a travel agent and not online so that they can tell the agent "I do not like to dress up - find me an affordable cruise with a good itinerary and that meets my dress requirements".
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Carnival doesn't say anything about jeans being prohibited in the dining room... The only thing that I found on Carnival's website states that Shorts and T-shirts are prohibited during dinner. To me, that would mean on a non-formal night, jeans and sneakers with a polo would be okay (don't all jump on me, I'm not even packing jeans for cruise - this is just an example).

Other than the shorts & t-shirt thing, I have a hard time finding a specific "rule" about the dress-code. It seems to all be "suggestions".

Maybe less focus should be placed on passengers who choose not to follow the "suggested" dress code, and more focus should be place on the cruise line (Carnival is the only cruise line I know anything about) that is being so vague about its policy.

Just my $.02

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PJ, I know you weren't dissing anyone. The point I was trying to make is that the price does not entitle anyone to go against the guidelines. While CCL does not specifically exclude jeans but they don't include them either in their suggested guidelines. Therefore it is open to interpretation so I just follow what guidelines are set forth and since jeans, t-shirts and shorts are not included then to me it means to exclude.
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