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Old May 6th, 2002, 07:22 AM
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Default My gripe...Don't tell me how to dress on my vacation.

I came from another cruise board that will flame you if you don't want to dress to the nines on formal nights. Why are people so concerned about what others wear? I don't care what someone is wearing as long as they have manners. :-)
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Default Re: My gripe...Don't tell me how to dress on my vacation.

i wonder the same thing. I belive they feel it is traditional to dress up. Those of us who
dress up for work eveyday, want to be casual on vacation. that,or they are just snobbs.
I agree, i really dont care mush what u look like,just be courtious to me as I am to u.
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I understand your wanting to dress the way you want to on your vacation. Two points:

One, I look at the dressing for dinner to be no different than restaurants than enforce a dress code. On the ship, you are given alternatives. Seems like everyone could make an effort to go along with the flow. Where do you draw the line? Should people be able to go to the dining room in their bathing suits. Having said all that, I can handle people not dressing up for dinner as I do not let that bother me. However, please don't wear shorts to dinner

Two, I think what is interesting about this issue is the attitude that people take about this issue. Mostly, the "it's my vacation and I will dress the way I want to". We pretty much all have accepted the "no shirts, no shoes, no service" mandate, but more and more people are rebelling against the dress up. I for one, enjoy dressing up for dinner, but that is me.

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Old May 6th, 2002, 08:28 AM
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Well said Barry especially about the dress codes in restaurants and they don't offer alternatives, either you dress up or you don't go in. I don't see the problem with dressing up for dinner on a cruise. Its been that way since people first started cruising, why do other people want to change this tradition?
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Isn't it called Formal Night? That means the expectation is patrons are dressed formally. On Halloween the expectation is people dress in costume. What's the difference?

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Default Re: My gripe...Don't tell me how to dress on my vacation.

Here's a link to an article I wrote on the subject awhile back that created a bit of a stir.

http://www.cruisemates.com/articles/...uki-casual.cfm

I still believe what I stated then. Book a cruise who's dress codes and activities match closest to what you want in a vacation. DON'T expect cruise lines, with specifically layed out suggested rules of behavior to adapt to YOU.

Here's a link the previous message board thread on the subject as well....
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Old May 6th, 2002, 11:36 AM
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Smart casual is as formal as I need to get. As long as I'm not in shorts or jeans or a tank top (not my style), I can't see what the problem is. I'm neat, clean, pressed and articulate, I've never been turned away from the dining room on formal nights, 5 cruises with Royal Caribbean '88 thru '99, if we've made people uncomfortable at out table, it was never verbalized, actually all of out table mates have enjoyed our company even on formal nights. I believe that too much pressure is placed on the new cruisers about dress codes. The cruise industry is changing, it's allowing people who could never afford a cruise the opportunity to have a great vacation. I see dress codes changing too, there are enough of the stuffy cruise lines if your into dressing to the nines.
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Old May 6th, 2002, 12:57 PM
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Tigger,

I agree w/you 100%! My husband & I work long & hard during the year, and the last thing we want to do is to have to bring our formal clothes on VACATION! It's fine if everyone else enjoys getting dressed to the hilt, and we've done that before also & have enjoyed it and had the nice pics taken, but on this cruise (11 days), we'd rather just be casual the entire time. My husband would not mind wearing khakis & a collared shirt if that would be good enough for the dining room, but he is NOT interested in wearing a tux or a tie any evening on vacation. SO, our suitcases will be packed with nothing but shorts, bathing suits & tshirts for the entire time! And THAT will be a true vacation for us!

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If you don't want to dress up for formal night, stay out of the dining room. If you don't want to dress up at all, take a windjammer cruise where you can wear shorts and no shoes all day long. If you can't follow the rules, stay home. It's really not that difficult. There's nothing worse than going on a cruise and seeing somebody in the dining room in jeans or shorts! That person usually stands out like a sore thumb! You know what is required of you at the time of booking so don't expect to be able to do what you want..it's rude and tacky!!!
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Old May 6th, 2002, 02:21 PM
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Gosh Andrea,

No reason to get so angry....telling people to stay home, I mean, what's up with that?? We're simply expressing our individual feelings on the subject..that's what this board is all about, right?
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"There's nothing worse than going on a cruise and seeing somebody in the dining room in jeans or shorts! "..........Andrea

Personally I can think of a lot that is worse than that ! How about full diapers in the hot tub or pool?

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Here is another occasion where there ought to be differences among rules of various lines, ships, and even iteneraries to accomodate the different desires of the guests. We guests just don't have enough choices. Some ships should opt for smart casual. Others (like HAL) with a long established tradition of catering to people who love to dress should stay the same. A neat solution is by Radisson, which eliminates formal nights on its Tahiti and Alaska iteneraries, but has them in Europe, which makes some sense to me.

While I would never show up at formal night in anything less than a dark suit, I might like this at times, and not be in the mood for it at other times. For those other times when I book, there are far too few smart casual cruises to chose from while there are so many, many with formal nights.

Every cruise should not be the same as every other. Wouldn't that get boring? To the cruise lines: Come on guys, give us more choices.
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Old May 7th, 2002, 07:27 AM
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I see dress codes changing too, there are enough of the stuffy cruise lines if your into dressing to the nines.

Tigger,

One of the things I like about cruising is the dressing up part. I don't get to do it at home. What about the people like me that cannot afford a "stuffy" cruise line, but would still like to have the fine dining atmosphere. Not everyone who likes to dress up has a fat wallet. No one asks you to dress to the nines, not everyone wears tuxedos, in fact the lower percent of people do on some cruises, all they ask is you go with flow. If I don't feel like dressing up I pick a vacation that doesn't recommend it. For example, I would not go on a scuba-oriented vacation and not bring scuba gear.
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Old May 7th, 2002, 08:44 AM
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Default Re: My gripe...Don't tell me how to dress on my vacation.

Jenn#1
I love dressing to the nines, I work for our city legal dept and get to dress for formal affairs atleast a dozen times a year, when I'm on vacation I want nothing to do with formal, I do dress smart casual (what I wear to a nice restaurant) every night for dinner on a cruise, I'm not saying I don't want to see formal nights on a cruise what I want to see are people enjoying their cruise and not feeling the pressure that other cruisers seem to feel they have the right to inflict on them. As you said, not all of us can afford a stuffy cruise line, so embrace the differences, what harm can it do? I've never judged a person by the way they dress, lots of nice people love a casual cruise vacation.

Andrea,
You would fit in nicely on that other cruise board I was talking about.
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Old May 7th, 2002, 03:34 PM
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Well Tigger, to quote you in another thread, it's all about respect. I'll respect your opinions only so long as you don't force them upon me. Formal nights are a tradition that many people enjoy and wish to keep in place. Why should you be allowed to flaunt the rules just because it isn't what you like? It would be the same if a smoker flaunted the no smoking rules because they didn't like them. There are many ships that do not have formal nights and use free-style cruiseing and there are other options for those that don't wish to "dress to the nines" for formal nights. Why should the limits be placed where if you wear nice smart casual that is fine on formal nights? What if someone else decieded that shorts were what it should be? The bar gets lowered every time. Lets keep this reasonable for everyone, shall we? The cruise lines are trying to make as many people happy as possible and I think they do a good job of it.
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And so it starts with Jeans post stating they will pack only shorts, t-shirts and bathing suits. I hope they do not plan on eating in the dining room. Shorts are specifically forbidden. It is no differant than a land resteurant that has dress codes, they are there to be followed and you are aware of them in advance. If you do not agree with them the simple solution is to find other means of dining during the evening hours or simply find another type of vacation where you are allowed to dress in the manner you wish.
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Deb and I dress according to the ships recommended dress code and demand that others do the same! Do not come to the dining room in a McDonalds frame of mind.

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Old May 7th, 2002, 07:27 PM
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Tigger, I have to disagree with you on this one. I don't mind putting on my suit and having dinner on a cruise. I rather enjoy it. Of course as soon as dinner is over, I change into something more casual and hit the casino or just have a drink up on deck. I am usually so tired from diving all day (something about breathing under 3 atmospheres of pressure does wear me out) that I usually poop out early to get ready for the next days diving. However, to make a short story long. The dress codes are there, we all know them and should abide by them.
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Old May 7th, 2002, 07:29 PM
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With all the cruise lines out there, what gives with the attitude that there are not enough choices??? I don't get it, all of the mid-market cruise line have other choices in terms of dining so why is it some people object so strongly to a few nights of everyone looking nice during the evening. People still enjoy dressing up so what is the problem?

What is so hard about a dark suit or jacket at least?? And, women can't find a pair of dressy black pants and pretty top? What is so hard about that, I just don't get it. People say they want to state their opinion and not be flamed, yet they are trying to rebel against something and say hundreds should change for the few??

I'm sorry, this subject really sends me over the edge. Choose the vacation that best suits you, there are lots of choices out there. Sue
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Old May 7th, 2002, 08:50 PM
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I guess the point is when it says Formal Night....... Well I understand English.... And I comprehend what I read........ I dress for Formal Nights! Just came off the Inspiration and we had a few who thought those Jeans were formal wear. I can't believe they came into the dining room like that. They were not turned away. I wish they were. Some people just think the rules don't pertain to them. They must be special........ Or backward... I enjoy dressing for dinner and I always follow the rules. If I wanted to go casual I would just go on a different kind of vacation. Just my opinion!!!!!!! Happy cruising! Char
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Old May 7th, 2002, 10:06 PM
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Good point, ladies and gentlemen, I'll take it under advisement and get right on the problem at hand. By the way, what was the subject, I got lost in all the pleasantries?
My smart casual is pretty darn smart, I believe I'm on the cusp of formal without being ostentatious, But if I wanted to wear dressy jeans (not on formal night), I would, because I can. :-)
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I do not have any intention in showing up in the dining room on formal night in shorts or blue jeans, so everyone can just relax!!! We will be very happy being out on the deck having the buffet or whatever else they offer rather than being dressed up & wishing we were in our skivvies! We're done the formal night thing before & have enjoyed it, but after getting the pics taken, we scooted back to our cabin to get into "something more comfortable!" This will be our 2nd cruise on the Paradise, so we'd probably just end up w/the same backdrops, anyway...

It's nice that the ships *do* try to accomodate everyone, and I think we should all be a little more accomodating also, and not care if we don't wish to dress up....
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Gotta disagree with you on this one Tigger. While your standard of dress (smart casual) may be considered adequate by you and most others for Formal Night, the problem lies in who sets the standard. Who is the supreme maven with the magic wand who taps us on the shoulder and says "you can proceed to the dining room" or "you must return to your cabin and change into something more appropriate for Formal Night?" Some would consider tight fitting jeans and a halter top as appropriate but baggy jeans and T-shirts as inappropriate.

I am totally in agreement with the policy when I don't feel like dressing for Formal Night and instead eat dinner someplace else.

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Old May 8th, 2002, 07:21 AM
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Hi Thomas,
Been there, done that. On our last cruise we opted to eat in the Windjammer Cafe (RCCL) on formal nights, we received the same meals as served in the dining room but had to get our own salad. The meals were wonderful and the atmosphere was the best that I have experienced of all my cruises. No noisy dining room ( three tiers of open dining is a little much), what a concept. I'm still of the mind-set that I'm paying good money for a vacation and don't like getting gussied up, the newer ships are offering many dining venues now and I would imagine that will keep the dress downers and the dress uppers happy. On our next cruise, the Brilliance of the Seas, I plan on never seeing the dining room, dinner in the Windjammer or on our balcony will make our cruise a wonderful relaxed experience. :-)
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When my mother and I were planning our vacation this fall, one of the issues that came up regarding cruises was dress codes. Personally, I don't like dressing up, especially on vacation, and my mother would rather not have to worry about it either.

My mom's never cruised before, but since my first (and only) cruise 7 years ago, I've always wanted to go again. After much research, we decided on a 7 day Western Caribbean cruise on Celebrity Century in November. We knew when we booked it that Celebrity is more formal than some other lines, but decided that even though we'd prefer a more laid-back dining atmosphere, other factors about Celebrity and the itinerary outweighed that.

We figure that we'll go to the dining room on the first formal night and see how it goes. Its a little early to say exactly what I'll wear, but I've got a fancy black pantsuit (I don't wear dresses) that I've worn to a wedding that I hope will be appropriate. If we're not comfortable with the formal nights, there's always room service or the alternate casual dining room as an option.

Bottom line is that even though we would prefer not to dress up, we know its part of going on a cruise, so we'll just go with the flow. Yes, its our vacation, but we're not on the boat alone. Its common courtesy to respect the rules of the cruise and to respect our fellow passengers by adhering to the dress code.
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Your fancy black pantsuit should be adequate. I also don't wear dresses <g>. Some may feel you are underdressed but there will be plenty more who garnishes every one's attention with their dress.

Personally, I like it when my wife shows up to Formal Night in her bikini and plops her feet on the table while sucking on a bottle of tequila!

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Hi suzancruz. The statement that "there are not enough choices as to formal night or not" stems from the fact that on many (the majority?) of ships, the dinner alternatives (if any) to the dining room aren't that attractive. Either a buffet of questionable quality or an extra cost alternative restaurant or nothing. Few such alternatives are up to the quality of the dining room. Plus, of all the ships out there, only a very few come to mind with no dining room formal nights. Radisson Paul Gauguin (Tahiti) and Navigator (only in Alaska iteneraries), and all the Windjammer cruises (Windjammer barely has a dining room, anyway). The hundreds of others require formal dress on some nights as a condition of dining in the dining room. Nothing wrong with that. A lot of people like it. For them, there are many ships to chose from. Problem is, from the posts on this subject on this and other boards, it appears that a higher percent do not like it than the percentage of cruises/ships/lines that don't have it. In other words, a disproportionately small number of cruises feature "no formal night" than the proportion of cruisers who would like it that way.
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lauraob,
Sounds like you have a good plan going. Your outfit sounds very nice, you'll be among the higher percentage of formal night dressers. After 5 cruises with RCI, I can honestly say that not that many men/women dress to the nines, it just looks that way because of all the pomp & circumstance while pictures are being taken. Enjoy your cruise, your formal attire will fit in. :-)
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Did you ever notice that way over 95% of allcruises are just alike as to formal nights? Two formal nights and one captain's reception on a seven day cruise. Why does every ship have to do this the same way? I'm one of the few moderates on this issue. Sometimes I want a formal experience, and sometimes I don't. When I'm in a formal mood, it hardly seems worthwhile to pack all the "formal gear" for these few occasions. So why don't some ships offer more formal occasions on some cruises? Then, sometimes I don' want the formalities, and it seems more ships and/or cruises could accomodate this than the very few that do now. This way, there could be more variety in our cruise options, which sounds nice to me. What do you think?
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What are "dress" jeans?

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