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Old May 7th, 2002, 09:09 AM
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I'm a non-smoker, all I ask is that the cruise lines have smoke free cabins on one side of the ship and smoking on the other. This will insure my being able to enjoy my balcony without a chain smoker up wind of me. Give us a casino with a no-smoking section, 1 smoke free lounge (there are so many lounges), I was a smoker for 30+ years so I know how it feels to be displaced, I'm not looking to eliminate smokers, but I worked very hard at quitting, I enjoy breathing with little effort, I enjoy not smelling like an ashtray, I enjoy smelling a great meal without cigarette smoke mingling in the aroma, and I mostly enjoy not having to inhale someone elses bad habit.
Smokers, don't get angry with me just respect my space, I certainly will respect yours.
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Old May 7th, 2002, 09:58 AM
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Tigger, thats the exact reason we have chosen the Paradise for our next cruise. No smokers to be found period. What a joy that will be just not having our clothes smell like smoke, I sure do hate that. Plus who like getting to their cabin and smelling that smoke smell and seeing the yellowing walls from all the nicotine. Now I am not preaching cause we need to be nice to the smokers, afterall, they won't be with us much longer....
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Old May 7th, 2002, 10:18 AM
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Hi Gaines,
I wouldn't like to be tied to just one cruise line and one spacific ship. I think cruise lines should give both smokers and non-smokers EQUAL attention. I am thankful for the lack of smoke in the dining room and main show lounge, let us keep the momentum and go for half a smoke free ship. :-)
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Old May 7th, 2002, 10:40 AM
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Tigger, that would be great too, but since those ships have all allowed smokers, they will never be able to get that smell out. Maybe it is because I have never smoked anything in my life but grew up in tobacco country, NC, but I can smell that smell as soon as I walk into a room or an area where someone has been smoking. For the life of me I cannot figure out why the smell alone does not stop them...
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Old May 7th, 2002, 12:39 PM
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Gaines,
Have you tried Febreze? I never travel without it. It really does get rid of the cigarette smell. I used it on our last cruise, sprayed the room on first day and I would spray my clothes if I've spent time in the casino, lounges or pool deck. Smokers can stink but I don't have to. Most of my cruises I never had a problem with cigarette smell in my cabin, all my cruises have been on Royal Caribbean, a very smoky cruise line. I think that the steward may be using Febreze or something similar.
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Old May 7th, 2002, 01:42 PM
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Tigger,

Yep, we use that all the time. Since we dive we also have a product that deals with ocean bacteria and the smells they can leave on our equipment, wetsuits, etc. It works well with clothing that reeks from smoke. We love RCL as well but wanted to try the Paradise to truly get away from the smoke and breathe freely.
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Old May 7th, 2002, 05:27 PM
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Lighting up as I read I am sure all the people who bash smokers lead a very healthy life style......not over-weight.....don't drink to excess.....etc.... But as you said ...respect my rights as a smoker and I will respect yours as a non-smoker. Just get off your soap-box please. Reminder.......starting this year......weight related illness/deaths will out number smoking related illness/deaths. We all have our vices........lets just repect eachothers rights to have them.

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Old May 7th, 2002, 07:23 PM
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Sure Rick, I don't care if anyone smokes as long as I can get out of the way. I am hardly overweight, 145 pounds and I don't drink more than a beer or two a month. Now that that is out of the way, how can we make a smokeless, smell free cigarette? That would solve pretty much all the issues with smokers.
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Old May 7th, 2002, 09:48 PM
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Rick, don't remember anyone bashing the smokers, are we reading the same thread?? And you just proved my point, smokers are sooooo touchy. Sorry, honey, if we offended you. Yet another subject that seems to be tabu on the GRIPES board.
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Old May 8th, 2002, 02:45 AM
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I agree w/Tigger, this will be our 2nd cruise on the Paradise & we were very pleased to find that they had changed the itinerary....and you can hardly say you are "tied" to this ship... it is incredibly beautiful, non-smoking or not, and being able to spend 11 days without walking into someone's blue cloud is truly a Paradise!

..and it's difficult to tell smoke to stay on one side of the casino or dining room...

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Old May 8th, 2002, 07:12 AM
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I think it's fair to gripe about those who don't abide by the non-smoking area rules, but I have read some smoker bashing postings on Cruisemates and Cruisecritic. Maybe some just aren't writing what they mean to write, but some are down right rude. And some preach that second hand smoke is as bad as smoking. That one bothers me. I wish people would quit saying that, it's simply not true. There's a world of difference between being a smoker and second hand smoke. And all it does is discourage the smokers from quitting. If I believed that, I would have never quit. Second hand smoke isn't good, but if you look up cancer and heart disease on Webmd, second hand smoke doesn't even make the list of causes.

I'm just grateful that the percentage of smokers as decreased so much over the years. When I was growing up, all the adults I knew smoked. I think this country has a done a great job in getting people to quit. I smoked for 13 years and celebrated my 7 year smoke-free anniversary this month. Many people I know have quit. Many of my friends that still smoke offer to smoke outside when they come to my house. I never even asked. Things have really changed for the better when it comes to smoking, I wish people would appreciate it. Now if we could only do something about the other deadly vices, we'd be in pretty good shape.
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I am an ex-smoker who supports smokers. I want to stand downwind of a smoker and breathe the second hand smoke. I don't think it's right to treat tax-paying, law-abiding, smelly citizens as defective people. I'd much rather stand next to a smoker puffing away than some woman who just bathed in the most god-awful perfume that sells by the barrel.

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Old May 8th, 2002, 09:25 AM
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Marnie, Good for you. It's been 5 years off the weed for me, I smoked for 30+ years, started at 10 because it was cool. When I started coughing up blood, cool went out the window. I get very nervous being around smokers but have no problem with them, I don't walk into a lounge with a grimace on my face and waving my hands around my head. Just would like to see cruise lines give us smoke free starboard side cabins. Not all that much to ask for, IMHO. :-)
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I smoked for 31 years, and am probably one of the "crustiest" ex-smokers you've ever heard of. (My wife uses the term "obnoxious.") I absolutely detest the smell of cigarette smoke now. However, I certainly respect anyone's right to smoke, as long as they don't infringe upon my right to not have to smell it. My pet peeve is with cruise lines like NCL, that have a definitive smoking policy, but then choose to not enforce it.
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Old May 8th, 2002, 05:39 PM
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On the Galaxy...one side of the casino is smoking and the other is'nt. There I gave you one . I know of no ship where you can smoke in the dining room.......also to my knowledge ships are designated one side non smoking. As far as cabins....they do a great job and we have never smelled smoke in our cabin until I start to chain smoke and blow it downwind from our balcony <G>.

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Actually there are ships which still have smoking sections in their dining rooms. Surprisingly Seabourn was one I encountered. Holland America did last year, thought I seem to recall that has recently changed/or in the process of changing.

I am a smoker, and in some circumstances may be considered a "crusty" smoker... only if I am in a smoking area and someone starts waving their hands like holy roller. You won't find me lighting up in a non smoking area.
You probably won't ever find me in a non smoking area..

But I do AGREE, besides the dining rooms and show rooms, the cruise lines should have some of their lounges designated non-smoking, and other designated smoking area!! Non smoking sections just make no sense to me.

Besides being a health risk for smokers.. I do think that the ban smoking issue is at least partially ENLARGED as a part of the charge to political correctness.
Funny society.. pushing its governments to legalize marijuana while banning cigarettes.

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The fact remains, a non-smoker still is not harming anyone by not smoking. Smokers however do harm others around them without concern. As far as second hand smoke not being a health issue, well, tell that to the asthmatic you gets a lung full if toxic air. Now go ahead folks and point out the fat or ugly people in defense and preach your considerate smoking habits that are truly bogus. Even the fact that smoking is legal is still not an acceptable defense. We all know that tobacco smoke harms not only the smoker, but everyone around them. It is a very selfish addiction. This is why smokers are so touchy.
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Old May 9th, 2002, 04:38 PM
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Sue I have to agree with you on one point. There are plenty of people out there that have asthma or other problems breathing. it does not take much smoke or other pollutants to cause them to have problems breathing. I used to burn the leaves in my yard every fall until some neighbors moved in with a child who was asthmatic. I learned that the hard way when some smoke drifted into their yard, about 300 feet from my leaf fire, and he collapsed. the wind was predominantly blowing away from their yard and I was not aware of his condition. Needless to say I put that fire out and have bagged my leaves ever since. I know that trying to get someone to quit smoking is very hard, and impossible if they don't want to. We will always have smokers, and those who drink too much alcohol. The best thing we can do is to avoid the pitfalls they have fallen into. When I was an early teenager in the early 70's and a lot of my peers were smoking, I told my mother about it and she took me to work with her and opened my eyes. She is a RN and was working at a hospital that cared for a lot of veterans. She took me to one ward and introduced me to several men, mostly in their late 40's to early 50's that were hooked up to machines that were breathing for them as their lung capacity had been reduced to nearly zero due to years of smoking. I vividly recall one man telling me that he knew that tobacco had put him there and that he was going to die because of his years of smoking. He went on to say that despite his condition he wished he could still have a cigarette. So strong is the addiction that this man, who was clearly going to die because of it still could not give it up. Now before anyone blows up on me about this, I could not care if anyone smokes or not, that is none of my business. However, I would appreciate the ability to get out of the way, read escape, from the plumes of smoke. I certainly hope that more cruise lines adopt smoke free ships to give us non-smokers more options to escape the smoke.



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Bravo Sue Sue!!!!!!! I agree completely, what irritates me the most is when I see a smoker in a car with children, really great in the winter, can you imagine what those little lungs look like by the time the children become teens. What are people thinking? If a person wants to smoke, that's fine, but don't involve innocent people in you self destructive habit. I know a 13 year old that lost her life to lung cancer (she never smoked), her parents were heavy smokers, way to go folks.
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There are other causes of lung cancer besides smoking so your implying that her parents killed her is reckless IMO.

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I must agree with Rick's point. Maybe the doctors know if smoking caused the kid's cancer by knowing the type of cancer, but without that evidence it is reckless to imply that smoke was the cause.

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Maybe's and what if's? I don't believe anyone has the right to take a chance with their child's life or anyone elses life just because they need to please themselves. It's a shame in this day an age with the knowledge we have about smoking that people haven't yet realized the entire picture. I am a school nurse, I see it happen. Kids needing nebulizer treatments around the clock and yet the parents are smoking in the home. It should be a child protection issue however they can't do anything about it because smoking is legal. It doesn't make sense. Did the 13 year old die of lung cancer because her parents smoked? Maybe, maybe not. As a parent I would not want to take the chance.
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Sue Sue......how would you explain kids on nebulizers whose parents don't smoke? As a health professional.....do you have any firm scientific evidence that 2nd hand smoke causes the probs you elude to?

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SMOKERS ARE SO TOUCHY BECAUSE THEY'RE ADDICTED TO NICOTINE!!! I am an RN w/20 years in adult ICU. I've encountered family members that continue to smoke even as they watch their loved ones die of emphysema---directly related to heavy smoking. Cigarettes, the vehicle for delivery of nicotine, should be prescribed, just as methadone is for heroine addicts, and controlled as such. I really didn't think about the smoking issue when I booked my 1st cruise for this summer to Alaska. Now I'm truly concerned my enjoyment will be greatly diminished because of other people's addiction. Do we allow drunks to ruin our dinners and shows? Of course not; the management would toss them out. Yet nonsmokers have to suffer by breathing clouds of smoke if they want to simply sit and enjoy what they've paid for. I can't stand the smoke in Las Vegas casinos, and no longer visit them because of such. I certainly hope I won't have to stop cruising before I've even started because of the limited ships with "no smoking" policies. I probably can't afford such a luxury! On a soap box---you bet. Shelley
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SMOKERS are so touchy because of exactly the attitude you demonstrated in your post Shelley. Most of us are very considerate of non-smokers. To compare us to heroine addicts or drunks is really out of line IMHO! And yes- we do allow drunks to ruin our dinners and shows. It happens quite often when they plow into a car at 80 mph and kill everyone...

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Shelly....IMO you are a little over dramatic "clouds of smoke"??? pleaseeeeeeee.

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well said Craig.....some look down on smokers but laugh at drunks........who kill many

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It'll be exactly six years for me on May 10 (tomorrow) at 7pm....but who's counting!
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I don't smoke, don't drink any alcohol, and am not overweight. I have a child who is asthmatic, and if even a whiff of smoke gets under his nose he's coughing from the irritation. It takes so little to bother him that to smokers it looks like he's being melodramatic and choking to make a statement. Before I knew what the problem was I even APOLOGIZED to a woman who lit up a cigarette not 5 feet from him because he started hacking as soon as she lit up. I had him step away which is exactly what she should have done especially since we were at baseball practice and all the kids were 2nd graders.

The fact of the matter is that second-hand smoke is not be the most dangerous thing we can encounter, but it does cause harm. No one has the right to harm another because they want to satisfy their habit (addiction). Drinking ruins parties when drunk drivers hurt others, but there are legal penalties. Smokers cause harm they aren't aware of, and it carries no legal penalties because we can't trace the damage to the smoker. Just because it's legal doesn't mean that your next cigarette won't send my kid to the ER. Read the post about the fire.

If you want to smoke, I don't care if you smoke until your lips fall off, but please keep to the smoking areas and don't think that because you're outside it's OK to light up by the non-smokers.
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Wow....................!

Smoking and kids -- certainly the hot-button issues of this board!

I think smokers may be a bit touchy because they seem to be picked on all the time.

I'm a non-smoker, but have friends who smoke. We all know smoking is bad for us -- that and too much alcohol, too much body fat, too much.............. etc.

There's nothing more I'd like to see than all my smoking friends stop, as I like them and would like to have them around for as long as possible. Until then, however I still like them, if not the smoking.

Of course, I'd like it if all of our bad habits were corrected! In the meantime, as long as people are respectful of each other, we'll be OK.

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