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Old January 9th, 2003, 12:42 PM
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Hi Julie,

These numbers don't seem right to me "He makes $50 per day, works from 7 am to 7 pm 7 days a week, and with his tips makes about $500 per week". His salary alone is $350/week. At 15% tips, that means selling only $1000 of drinks for the week. I would have expected that they sell much more than that. Just curious.
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Old January 9th, 2003, 12:58 PM
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Hi Kuki,

Do you or anyone else have any data on what they make via salary and tips! I've seen rough estimates based on std tipping and the number of passengers they care for, and I've made some rough estimates myself. The number surprised me at how high it was. I was also surprised at how many passengers they care for. Man these folks really work hard, 7 days a week, and I've always had very good wait staff. I guessed that the sum of tips and salary must be pretty good or they wouldn't keep coming back time and time again.

On other newsgroups, I've seen folks state that the Standard/recommended Tip is much like the published/brochure rate for a ship fare; e.g. for most cases it is too high and you shouldn't pay it. They say that it is priced at the same level as the drinks, photos, etc. in general, too high.

Also, what is the recommendation if you take most of your meals at the buffet or room service? I have some friends that I book cruises for, and they prefer the casual dining so rarely use the dining room. What should they be expected to tip? I really don't give them an answer other than to say that tipping is personal choice, but that the wait staff is on board for their needs expect to derive the majority of their compensation from tips.

Tipping is a difficult subject to discuss. Personally, I would prefer if they paid the wait staff appropriate salaries, and then tipping was to "sweeten the pot" rather than to provide basic substanance, much as it is in France.
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Old January 9th, 2003, 01:02 PM
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Geez, that's $10 to 15/day since they work 7 days a week. That's disappointing.
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Old January 9th, 2003, 01:33 PM
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Browezilla......without reading through all the messages again, I can tell you how much cabin attendants make (salary) on Royal Caribbean......$25 every two weeks! No kidding! They definitely depend on their tips. The number of passengers in their sections obviously depends on which section they get assigned to, but believe they could have anywhere from 30-50 bunks. Remember, that doesn't mean all bunks are occupied OR that all the passengers tip even the recommended amounts. I've heard several cabin attendants comment about getting "short changed" on a regular basis. I won't even go into detail about all the expenses they have to pay out of their own tips (night helper, laundry service guy, store room supply guy, someone to bring up luggage, someone to assist them debarkation morning, etc., etc.). Even I am amazed at what they are expected to pay out of their own pockets. Did you know they're supposed to keep track of what water and soda is used in the rooms, yet they don't get the tips for those......someone else does!?!?!?!?

I'm guessing dining room waiters and assistant waiters don't make much more than the $25 every two weeks either.
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Old January 9th, 2003, 04:42 PM
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On ships where tiping is extra (which includes most of them), I've never considered the "suggested amounts" to be inflated, like many other prices for onboard "extras". Considering meal quality and service, the waitstaff tips are probably less than what I'd pay here at home (if we had a restaurant with such high quality food and service, which we don't).

But I do share the opinion that forcing employees to rely on tips for a living is an almost uniquely American custom, which has no place in an international cruise setting. O too wish there were some source where we all could access what each line paid each class of employee (whether they are tipped or not), so we could consider this as a factor in our choice of lines. There can be little doubt that the general rule is that we would receive better service from more highly paid people.

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Old January 9th, 2003, 07:35 PM
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If $3.50 per day for the waiter is too much consider what the tip would be in a land based restaurant. You get a full course steak dinner, for instance, with wine and dessert and the bill is going to be about $40 bucks or so. So a $7.00 tip would be normal. Now consider the tip for breakfast and lunch too at the same restaurant.

I think the suggested amount is what the cruiselines have calculated to be just enough to keep the employees happy and not tick off the customers. It is my opinion highly paid people have sat down and done the math to come up with this balance using all kinds of optimization techniques.
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Old January 28th, 2003, 11:13 AM
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Hi... first time cruiser.. firm believer in tipping well where it's deserved and less where it's not.

I'll be cruising with NCL in a few weeks, and it's their policy to charge us $10 per person for tip, adjustable of course. Does anyone know the exact breakdown of where this $10 goes? Along with NCL's "freestyle cruising" (which more or less means we never have one set waiter.. and it's possible to never see the same waiter twice in the course of the week), I'm just not sure who gets what.

What I would like to do is to have the purser take off the entire pre-charged tip amount for myself and my boyfriend, and then give out cash tips at the end of the cruise. Aside from the steward and waiter(s), who else do I need to consider? Do they get any tax benefits by my doing this (ie, are they taxed by the USA?)?

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Old January 29th, 2003, 09:12 PM
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Jeanne,

I don't have exact figures, but the $10 per person per day probably breaks down something like this.

>> $3.50 - Cabin Steward
>> $3.50 - Waiter
>> $2.00 - Assistant Waiter
>> $1.00 - Head Waiter

The first three of these were the suggested tipping on most of the major lines before the change of policy to bill tips to shipboard accounts.

>> A cabin steward who cleans two dozen cabins with an average of double occupancy would making $1176 per week, or $61,152 per year, in tips.

>> A waiter who serves tables totalling two dozen passengers per sitting, he's getting $1176 per week, or $61,152 per year, in tips.

>> An assistant waiter serves tables totalling two dozen passengers per sitting, he's getting $672 per week, or nearly $35,000 per year, in tips. Remember that this is a very junior position.

That's not bad money -- especially for positions that do not require education equivalent to graduation from an American high school.

Norm.
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Old January 30th, 2003, 05:04 PM
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Try this, my sister & her husband were just on a cruise and tipped
daily to anyone that provided their daily services, ie; steward,
waiter, asst. waiter etc..If no service was provided, no tip.
As for the envelopes, they went unfilled. Average tip to each
person who provided a service was $75- Although I have yet to
cruise, this sounds like a logical way of tipping. As they told me,
"tip as you go" in that way whoever provides service to you knows
that you are serious about receiving good service because
they are being tipped on a daily basis. Thus, throw away all
those tip recommendation charts.

Mark

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Head waiter didn't do anything for them, not even
stop by their table. Result, no tip.

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Old February 25th, 2003, 11:46 PM
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Our tips was automatically added to our sail & sign account at the beginnning of our cruise. I did no adjustments to the total because I felt the amount was very fair. The last night of the cruise I handed an envelope to my room steward, head waiter and waiter. Each one contained a $20.00 bill. Now I am wondering if they think I stiffed them or did they know from the beginning of the cruise that I prepaid their tips and the envelope was just a little extra appreciation.
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Old February 28th, 2003, 12:29 PM
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Rick
Tipping depends on how much I win/lose in the casino.>>>>>>

boy that sounds unfair to me

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Old February 28th, 2003, 02:47 PM
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So Mark what you are saying is forget about how we have done things for 30 years. I m gonna tell you something if you tip your steward every day but at end of week the envelope is empty that will still be considered a stiff.
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Old February 28th, 2003, 11:49 PM
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I've always tipped by the envelope method. Last cruise I took (April 2002), the waiter had me put my name and cabin number on it. As I understand it, he had to turn it in and then all the dining room waiters' tips were pooled. So you could get a great waiter or a lousy waiter and they would all get the same share of the tips. That also applies to the assistant waiters ... and I'd guess the cabin stewards. That doesn't encourage good service ... and it rewards people who are only doing a half way job and detracts from those who are outstanding. Same thing if you were using the daily $10 charge to your card.

My point is that you should be able to tip by cash in an envelope and the people should be able to keep it all for themselves because they earned it.

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Old March 1st, 2003, 10:20 AM
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I agree with Jane.

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Old March 3rd, 2003, 05:14 PM
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cruisepimp,
I've done it that way exactly for the past 30 years. That is tipping for
services rendered. Should I be responsible for tipping everyone even
if they haven't done anything for me. Would you tip the parking attendant
for parking your car if you parked it yourself. I don't see how I am stiifing
anyone. If all involved now the deal up front I find nothing wrong with
this logic. But, since this will be my first cruise I'll put another 2 cents in
after I've returned.

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Old March 4th, 2003, 08:47 AM
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Mark, make sure you bring a small notebook with you to write down some gripes, O.K.?
We'd all be interested in what gripes people on their first cruise.

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Old March 4th, 2003, 10:26 AM
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You bet Thomas

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Old April 28th, 2003, 10:46 AM
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All: Did not have much to gripe about on our first cruise (Carnival Triumph, Apr 5-12, W. Caribbean). Everything was great, and service was excellent (even from the oft-maligned Purser's desk). Tipping was a bit confusing, as we had pre-paid tipping, which had coupons for each server in the original package that came from our travel agency. The in-room info package said that envelopes would be provided to dole out tips. As of Thursday, we had not seen these, so enquired at the Purser's desk what the procedure was. We were told that we could hand out the coupons if we wanted to, but that the pre-arranged tips would automatically be forwarded to all the staff with their weekly paycheques. This made it a little odd, because we felt we had to ask some of the staff whether they received their tips from Carnival, at the same time we did not have envelopes to add any supplementary tips to those we wanted to. I slipped the waiter and asst. waiter $20's by the old "handshake" method, and we left some chocolates and $20 for our cabin stewardess (clearly marked for her) on our bed the final evening.

The only gripe I could muster was that on the final night before debarkation, they took the robes that had been in our rooms all week. While I suppose it was for laundry purposes, one couldn't help but feel they had removed them in case we felt like taking them. The problem was, they would have been the most useful that night, as everyone is trying to pack away everything not needed in the AM in their suitcases, which we were told to have outside by midnight. When I got no response to this issue from Housekeeping, I put our suitcases out in the hall in my underwear, just as I said I would. Just a little bit of rebellion (which went unwitnessed, by the way). Oh, yeah, and they never called our colour lugagge tags on debarkation. Last off the boat. Regards, Tim
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Old May 11th, 2003, 06:03 PM
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I am pretty sure the 10/person is NOT adjustable. That's what you are billed at the end of the cruise. If by adjustable you mean, more than that, than of course. Why anyone would want to tip more is beyond me.
I am hoping to get the whole instant tipping thing not put on the first place when I go.
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Old May 11th, 2003, 06:25 PM
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Your on board automatic tipping is adjustable down if you want. If you felt like the servers did not perform to accepted standards you must go down to the pursers desk and have them remove them from your account. However, the poor service would have to be severe for me to take back the tips from these people who work that hard for the funds they get.

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Old May 12th, 2003, 10:41 PM
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First Time Cruiser here an have been reading with great interest but still am missing the finer Points. Anyone care to enlighten me.

I'm sailing on the Islad Princess in Aug for 7 days where the tipping is pre-paid at $10 a day per person. I'm assuming that the crew knows that I'm tipping that way. If someone does an outstanding job whether it's in the Cabin or dining room, can I give an additional tip then? I don't mid tipping more for great service if and want them to know right away. Hoping that will keep the great service a coming.

If you get a great waiter, is there a way to get him again. I selected the Personal Choice dining.

Great info here!

Roger
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Old May 13th, 2003, 03:28 PM
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Hi Roger,
Yes, you can add cash and tip the waiter or cabin attendant in addition to the automatic tipping. Just ask for a table with that waiter, if you want a certain waiter, possibly a little wait, but it can be done, just ask.

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