I realize that pants suits are quite the normal wear for semi-formal and (sometimes) formal wear for women. And I understand that for some it is more comfortable. But I much prefer a skirt and blouse or the ..........what did you call it Pamda?.......LBD?...look of a dress. I don't like having to button up the collar, tie a noose around my neck, and wear a jacket that never settles in to the chair but I do it anyway because that is expected attire. Who came up with the pants suit anyway???
Well, Thomas I for one hate dresses!
Sorry, but I have not worn a dress in probably 20 years, but for my cruise in March I bought some sorta sundress kinda thingees! Ugh I still don't like them, I find it uncomfortable for me, as for men...hey how about the Neru Jacket! hahaha jk Or leisure suit!
I prefer dresses over pant suits, they're much more comfortable; less confining. And forget about pantyhose on a cruise, I refuse to wear pantyhose in the Caribbean (but maybe in Alaska). The problem with the dress/pant suit decision for me is shopping. Pant suits are everywhere. The only dresses I can find are made of polyester, acetate or nylon. YUCK!! Whatever happened to cotton, or at least a cotton blend. That I can take, but the plastic has to go. Thomas, I certainly don't envy the men with their strangled necks. Never understood that. If I had to vote, I would definitely vote for a more casual dress cruise just because 90% of the formal wear is so uncomfortable.
Mrs. Thomas wears a dress when I'm in my tux for formal night but on other nights she always wears a pants suit. Ugh! As I said, though, I realize it's normal wear now. I just wish they'd go out of style.
I remember when I was a youth going to school the boys had to wear navy pants, white shirt and bow tie and the girls wore plaid skirts and white blouses. Was that so bad? I wonder!
Speaking as a Catholic school girl, yes it was bad. Yay for the invention of the 'plastics'--we started wearing lycra/spandex shorts under our skirts. Luckily I wasn't too scarred from the experience and wear dresses to work most days.
Have you asked Mrs. Thomas why she prefers the pants suit?
I hope you ducked after posting, Thomas... this one might incite some angry responses.
I prefer dresses to pantsuits also... for me personally, I just think they're a little more comfortable, and also more flattering. What I don't like about dresses, though, is having to wear pantyhose with them. Pantyhose are an instrument of the devil. That's the main reason I wear trousers to work every day. I only have to wear knee-high hose with them instead of the whole shebang. (Although as Marnie pointed out, in the Caribbean, pantyhose are unnecessary.)
Perhaps that's one reason pantsuits are popular - they don't require pantyhose. Another reason could be that many women are unhappy with the appearance of their legs. They may have varicose veins or other unsightly marks they don't want to show the world.
So, I have no problem with other women wanting to wear pantsuits if they're more comfortable in them. As long as they're appropriately dressed for the evening's dress code, I give my wholehearted approval!
Now posting as MichelleP.
"Have you asked Mrs. Thomas why she prefers the pants suit?".......CruisinDenise
Yea, I've asked her and it usually ends up in a debate over her insistence her legs are ugly and my insistence they're not. But since I don't dress her she wears the pants suit. And since she believes this about her legs she doesn't buy dresses so her wardrobe is mostly pants suits. UGH!
I'm not getting use to the idea of gender neutral clothing. Women wearing pants suits, jeans, and neckties and men wearing earings, carrying purses, and sporting bikini briefs at the pool. I don't like going into the men's department at the store and seeing platform shoes for Pete's sake!
Hmmm, interesting! How about my black and white silky jumpsuit? Not a dress and not a pants suit, but rather difficult to get in and out of!!! :-)
I've gone to the jumpsuit and dress black pants and sparkly tops because I cannot find long dresses that I like real well but I always look and will buy one if I find one! I am considering making one but the material in stores these days, is not much better than the quality of material they put in dress clothes. As a seamstress, I'm very picky.!!! :-)
You're entitled to your opinion and basically I agree, dressy dresses look nice but what they sell these days is not wonderful!!!
Susan will be cruisin with CruiseMates and wearing a jumpsuit on formal night!
OK. I am now -- except for the LBD -- on Thomas' Bad List. I love my dressy pants suits. I found a designer, Karen Kwan, who makes the most fabulous evening pants suits. I am very comfortable in them and they make me look as tall as possible. (Not very.)
I'm curious, what do you refer to as a "pants suit"? I've seen some stunning formalwear that have pants with very full legs so that it is difficult to distinguish them from a skirt unless the wearer is taking full strides.
I'm also not sure how concern about "ugly legs" would prevent one from choosing a full length gown. I also don't like to show more leg than possibly to mid calf (out of respect for others) so I avoid shorts and many dresses. However, I do have an assortment of dresses, formal to casual, that are ankle length or just above that I can wear without feeling too exposed.
Just for you, I shall now describe a couple of my favorites.
Very light-weight black silk/wool crepe. Jacket well below the "bum". Fasteners for the jacket are various-sized rhinestones about six or seven across in a bar effect, and five of them. Quite the sparkle.
Deep green velvet top (same set-up as above) with elaborate faux gold "frog" fasteners. Deep green silk trou.
Matching evening bag that I just happened to come across.
Now, if you give me any more heat about my pants outfits I will haul out that green velvet evening bag, fill it with my stash of quarters for the casino, and proceed to beat you unmercifully about the head and shoulders.
Yes, I don't get how ugly legs look better in pants. My legs are the least attractive part of my body, but the skirts are more flattering overall. It gives the illusion of slimmer longer legs. I think someone mentioned a pant suit that does that, I can't imagine, but would love to try it.
Now Pamda, that could be considered a personal attack! "Beat me unmercifully about the head and shoulders?" Is that not a violation of the rules of these boards?
Just kidding oh Queen of Queeg!
Hey, that's just me. I don't like pants suits period. I don't like men wearing earings either. Would you date a man who wore more jewelry than you? There are some things that one prefers and I prefer the look of a dress.
Mrs. Thomas wears pants suits because she doesn't like the look of her legs. I disagree with her. I think they look just fine. In fact I look at them all the time <grin>!! So she wears the pants suits to hide them and not feel conscientious about them.
The fashion designer who invented the pants suit is not my friend!
And d@mn, aren't there any men out there covering my back here? <wink>
Okay, here's my two cents. And Thomas, this is for you. My guy is on your side and prefers dresses. And I'll admit it, even at the risk of being called names by the libbers, I humor him, at least some of the time. I am comfortable in both dresses and pants, and wear both. I also agree that the necktie has to be about as uncomfortable as panty hose (which I don't wear). At least you don't have to wear those curly, white wigs anymore. lol
Marnie: I think the trick to looking taller (I'm 5'2 and 1/2-don't forget the 1/2) in a pants outfit is color. Same shade for both the pants and the top (Pamda's black/black and green/green). Also, a longer top, but not too long, keeps the eye moving and does not 'break' you in the middle.
Michelle: I'm gonna bet you're tall. The reason I buy dresses more, is that it is difficult, more like impossible, for me to find pants short enough. And I hate to hem or pay someone else to do it. Hem line rules these days, well there aren't any. Anything seems to go. So I have to worry less with the length of a dress, but pants are a different story.
Susancruzs: I have a dressy jumpsuit too that I just love! Only wish it had those little button flaps like they put in those footsie pj's. (I drink a lot of water) <G>
I must tell you that Mermaid and I probably have two of the best sets of legs afloat.
I shall have Queeg take a photo next month of same limbs when we are in FLL together. You can judge for yourself.
I own a really nifty little silk dress that is W-A-Y above my knees. (As in, I have to think about it before I bend over.) I wore it to a cocktail party on a ship once and an older fellow (I was younger then) said unto Queeg, "You let her OUT with those legs showing?"
On my part, wearing pants is a kindness to the male population. And women don't hate me.
I personally am too frugal to "waste" money on clothes I would only wear once or twice a year. My employeer supplies my work clothes, scrubs. My lifestyle, mother of young kids, etc. means I rarely go places that I have to wear "dressy" clothes. I just tell my husband he is lucky I am a "low maintance" woman . My legs are also my hubbies least favorite part of my body. Therefore, I buy one all purpose dark dress for funerals and weddings and wear it for 2 or 3 years, then get another and wear it for 2 or 3 years.
I can sympathise with Mrs. Thomas, my own legs are always hidden ( I had polio plus two accidents to my legs). Yes I wear pants suits when I go out shopping etc, but at home and on board I wear caftans during the day and long dresses at night (not necesarily formal sometime a dressy version of my day time caftan)
So my suggestion to Mr Thomas, is take Mrs. Thomas to a really glam. store and buy her several really attractive caftans , somthing slinky and swishy, that she can dress up or dress down. and tell her how wonderful she looks.
How many caftans do I have?, well at last count it was 7 strictly for day wear and combined "formals " and dress up caftans number 11, so I have lots to choose from when I start packing. - and if they are polyester, they pack down into very little space and never need ironing!!!!