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Since we've had another "outbreak" of late on the message boards about dress and behavior codes, I've noticed another "outbreak" of reverse snobbery.
So many times I've seen the response.... if you don't like it, cruise Crystal (or whatever). Or some such nonsense.

I especially enjoy... Money doesn't equal class.

I like this one because it's absolutely true. Having money doesn't equal class... NOR is it an evil... NOR does a lack of it... NOR is that an evil.

Class is a character trait people need to work to achieve. In my mind the most important element of class is showing RESPECT for fellow human beings, and not looking down your noses, or UP your noses at anyone.

Translated to the cruise environment... respect for others means becoming a part of the community onboard the ship, and this has NOTHING to do with someone's income level.

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I agree with what you are saying. I also think that if the person chooses to wear jeans at dinner, then leave that individual alone, don't make comments. It's his or her's decision and should be respected.
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Kuki...well said! To think that I have often thought you were a snob! May have to change my opinion.

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JPH....found this in a Celebrity Mercury Review posted on another board. Thought it might interest you. Review is from Dec 2002 cruise>>>>>>>>>>

"Ships Dress Codes: be sure to read the ship’s dress codes on the 1st day back of Mercury Daily newletter. Outlines the REQUIRED modes of evening dress (after 6PM nightly) "Most guests enjoy respecting this sailing tradition for the ambiance of the cruise." We were stopped entering the Celebrity Theatre by the ‘’fashion police’ after changing from formal wear that 1st formal night. Cruisers BEWARE! "

Now the question is.....is the ship consistant in enforcing this? I don't know. Obviously, for the posters of that review....it was enforced.

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Good point Kuki. In my part of the country (Oklahoma) good jeans and a nice shirt are good enough in 99% of restaurants --- but not so in all parts of the US and the world. Here is my question for you, that is not a "trick question" but an honest one. What would you recommend as to existance, content, and enforcement of ship's dinner dress codes? With so many varying opinions among cruise consumers, I'm finding it all hard to sort out.

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Richard...
To my view it is not simply dress codes... the issue is the total package.... the suggested rules of behavior.
If the cruise lines each had the "intestinal fortitude" to define and enforce their policies that would more readily define the atmosphere and ambience they wish to establish on their ships.

This in turn would make it easier for passengers to choose the lines which most closely match what they want out of their cruise experience.
Those who want totally casual would know better where to go. Those who want dressier would know where to go. Those who want restrictive smoking policies would know where to go.... and on and on.

Instead they are stating policies which they hope will attract their "target audience", then turning around and letting everyone decide individually which rules apply to them, and which apply to the next guy.

In my opinion the problem lies with the cruise line not more clearly defining the atmosphere they offer and sticking to their positions!
Not doing so basically gives the passengers permission to decide for themselves which "rules of behavior" they choose to follow.

Even today, there are cruise lines which offer experiences totally free of any dress restrictions.. ie t shirts and shorts are the order of the day, whether on deck or in the dining room. There are (though limited) non smoking ships, and ships where smoking areas are very limited. And even nude cruises.

But, with all the cruise lines allowing the "rules to" blur, there is no need for passengers to search out ships that suit them. They simply expect the cruise lines to adapt to their own needs and desires, and with the way cruise lines are being operated, rightfully so.

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Rick.. don't change a thing! I am a snob! I only want to cruise with people who are fun and enjoy their vacations, and are nice enough human beings to respect each other.

And those who know... how much money you have in your pocket doesn't determine if you're an a**hole. I've been around long enough to meet rich ones and poor ones <G>

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Kuki... I swore I wouldn't touch this thread with a "ten foot pole", and I probably shouldn't. But I just cannot resist one comment.

How sure are you that the problem is the lines not enforcing long standing "codes" (read "traditions") as opposed to the lower fares attracting some clientèle who simply aren't cognizant of the long standing traditions or, alternatively, just don't have enough social graces to honor the traditions even if they were aware of them? I cannot recall the lines needing to "enforce" these things in the past. People who were likely or able to cruise wouldn't even think of, as stated earlier in this thread, changing from formal to heavens knows what after dinner to go to the theater. As my Mom would say, "That 'places' them." I really think, to an extent, it is a "social" or "class" thing, rather than specifically money.

You become entrapped in the no win business of "money doesn't mean class" or the reverse. Of course it doesn't. But... like pornography, I cannot exactly define it, but I do know "class" when I see it, or the lack of same. And, we are seeing more and more of a lack of class in the new comers to cruising. Hopefully, this too will change.



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I like thinking back to the time when cruising was a more genteel experience. You know, when people always dressed for dinner, not because they wanted to "show off", but because it was considered proper etiquette. I think nowadays too many people only consider their own comfort and convenience. Sure, it's easier to throw on some casual clothes and head for the dining room on a 'dress-up' night. Yes, sport shirt and jeans may be more comfortable than jacket and tie. But people should consider whether their appearance adds or detracts from the overall ambience. Like it or not, the way you look and the way you speak does say something about you and your self esteem. Why not enjoy the occasion to its fullest and please your fellow dinner mates?



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Ernie....how dare these no class people invade your domain <G>.

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How sure are you that the problem is the lines not enforcing long standing "codes" (read "traditions") as opposed to the lower fares attracting some clientèle who simply aren't cognizant of the long standing traditions or, alternatively, just don't have enough social graces to honor the traditions even if they were aware of them?

Ernie.. quite likely that's a part of the story; many new people being introduced to cruising. HOWEVER it still falls to the cruise line to EXPLAIN, and MAKE KNOWN what's different about cruising, and what is and is not acceptable behavior on thier particular cruise ships.
If they don't... they actively enable and encourage everyone to do as they please. Perhaps they view this as an economic necessity to fill all those berths, but if that's the case they shouldn't pretend.

I also hate to see the discussion get hung up on dress codes. Nothing at all wrong with shorts and tank tops if it fits the ambiance of the ship or locale. As I keep repeating.. it's the entire package. The "suggested rules of behavior:

In many ships alternate restaurants they are very clear about the requirement of men wearing jackets, and they enforce it. They are very clear about no smoking rules in the dining room or show rooms and they enforce it. They are very clear about where cigar smoking is acceptable, and they enforce it.

It is the selective enforcement that I disagree with, and I believe blurs the picture. The ships belong to the cruise lines, and it's incumbent on them to explain, and yes police, the behavior that is acceptable.
Doing so, would show some class.. a ha found a way to throw in what this "gripe" was about <G>

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Kuki: Thanks for the reply, with which I tend to agree. Cruise lines (and other businesses) that try to be everything to everyone tend to really offer "nothin' to nobody." One hopefully final question. I know where to find the most formal sailings (Cunard and Crystal), "Country Clubby" dress and atmosphere (Radisson), and a mix of nights ranging from slacks and shirts to tux (95% of the ships). But for those who feel they must go to dinner in shorts and "T" shirts, I am unable to identify those lines where this is OK , as you mentioned. What are the lines that have no dress codes?

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In my experience the following cruise lines do not have a dress code:
Windjammer
Abercrombie
World Explorer (you know, going to the Arctic and places like that)
Also, American Canadian up in Alaska does not have a dress code for dinner, but I can't imagine anyone wearing shorts up there in the polar regions! !

All the mainstream lines: RCI/Celebrity, Carnival, Disney, etc. have dress codes but don't enforce them...NCL says to wear what you want, but they have formal nights...very confusing and it must be SOMEBODY'S fault that we're confused, so let's blame the cruise line....


On a more serious note: I believe that American culture has become so relaxed, so casual, that it no longer understands the definition of formal, informal, semi-formal, whatever. It also doesn't understand the need for thank you notes, handwritten letters (after all, we have e-mail!), and the meaning of gift giving....check out the mall at Christmas and tell me that American's have a clue about courtesy in any form. No, money doesn't equal class. Neither does false modesty, false humility or "political correctness". (Since I'm an American, I certainly feel qualified to make these statements.)

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Kuki - well said!

Ernie, while I appreciate what you are saying, I do think that it is the responsibility of the cruise line AND the TA to educate their customers and clients on what is expected of them in terms of dress and behavior. It is then incumbent on the cruise line to enforce these standards. When they don't they add to the confusion.

On my last cruise (Carnival Legend) on formal nights I wore a very nice pair of black slacks and a glittery sweater one night and a sequined blouse the next.....I did feel I met the standard of the night...on Celebrity and Princess on formal nights I wore lacy type summer tea dresses or non-sequiny dressy dresses and I felt I met the standard on those lines. I can't afford (nor do I look good in) full length gowns or short length cocktail dresses. I do my best to meet the standards set by the cruise line. Do I like people in jeans on formal night....no, but I am not the one who is missing out on the experience, they are and they do not know what they are missing - and it is their loss, not mine.

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JPH,

I rather would take Kuki's comments the other way. "Becoming part of a community" -- whether aboard ship or anywhere else -- means conforming to the norms of that community. Aboard ship, the norms of the community include the "suggested attire" promulgated by the cruise line.

Note that "suggested" and "recommended" are not excactly synonyms. In proper usage, a "suggestion" carries a connotation of expected compliance, whereas a "recommendation" does not. Thus, "recommendations" flow UP an organizational ladder whereas "suggestions" flow DOWN an organizational ladder..

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JPH....found this in a Celebrity Mercury Review posted on another board. Thought it might interest you. Review is from Dec 2002 cruise>>>>>>>>>>

"Ships Dress Codes: be sure to read the ship’s dress codes on the 1st day back of Mercury Daily newletter. Outlines the REQUIRED modes of evening dress (after 6PM nightly) "Most guests enjoy respecting this sailing tradition for the ambiance of the cruise." We were stopped entering the Celebrity Theatre by the ‘’fashion police’ after changing from formal wear that 1st formal night. Cruisers BEWARE! "


Hmmm.... This enforcement of dress codes is most encouraging! I think I just might give Celebrity Cruises a try!

Now the question is.....is the ship consistant in enforcing this?

I'm rather hoping that the whole line is consistent in enforcint this!

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Richard,

With so much variety of tastes among cruise passengers, it probably is not possible for one line to satisfy everybody -- which is why there's such a proliferation of cruise lines with diverse policies. The onus has to fall on the passenger to make a suitable choice rather than on one cruise line to accommodate everybody's preferences.

It's very simple, really. Those who want to wear jeans should choose a line that allows jeans. Those who want a jean-free environment should choose a line whose policies stipulate "no jeans" -- and should be able to do so with the expectation that the line will enforce its stated policy. And those who discover that they made a mistake after it's too late to cancel should respect -- and graciously conform to -- the policy of the line on which they booked by mistake, then make a more suitable choice for their next cruise.

And my guess is that Kuki would agree with this....

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Kuki,

I agree substantially with your post.

But, with all the cruise lines allowing the "rules to" blur, there is no need for passengers to search out ships that suit them. They simply expect the cruise lines to adapt to their own needs and desires, and with the way cruise lines are being operated, rightfully so.

The other side of the coin is that a very arrogant attitude has overtaken our society, at least here in the States -- an attitude of "I'll do whatever I d*** well please, whenever and wherever I d*** well please, regardless of the rules -- and woe to whoever tries to stop me!" The upshot of this arrogance is that many business establishments are now afraid to assert themselves for fear of offending a customer. The reality, unfortunately, is that often, in the process, they allow one borderline customer to offend many good customers who then quietly take their business elsewhere.

I have nothing but respect for cruise lines that are enforcing their rules. Those are the lines on which I will seek to cruise. As I have noted in other threads, failure to enforce the rules consistently and unifomrly is a recipe for disaster in a shipboard emergency.

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But for those who feel they must go to dinner in shorts and "T" shirts, I am unable to identify those lines where this is OK , as you mentioned. What are the lines that have no dress codes?

Check out the dress policies of following lines.

>> Windjammer Barefoot Cruises

>> American Canadian Caribbean Line

>> America West Cruises

I think that Windstar Cruises and Club Med Cruises are also very casual, but I'm not sure. There probably are others, too, but mostly smaller lines.

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Suzannen,

NCL says to wear what you want, but they have formal nights

In the most recent literature that I have seen, NCL was advertising "Formal Optional" evenings -- meaning that those who wished could dress in formal attire but that it was not required to do so. Have I missed another change?

Still, I'm not sure that "casual" means shorts and "T" shirts for evening wear on NCL.

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Norm,
I completely agree with you...I didn't to imply that I interpreted it that way. I am in complete with you re: their failure to enforce and define.

Incidentally, Windstar and Club Med are NOT casual in the evenings...standard, traditional cruise attire (suits and tuxes) are the norm for formal evenings, informal the other evenings.
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As I said in my post, Lisa... I should know better than to wade into this.

Frankly, you are right... folks can be "educated"... and hopefully, that is what these threads will do. I'm not sure, however, that cruise ships are the proper venue for some kind of social education... some kind of finishing school at sea.

The case has been made above that folks should be taught, etc... and I suppose that's right. As far as "American" standards being deminished... well...no, I don't agree with that. We're seeing folks on board ships who simply do not cut the mustard and who, in the past, one would never expect to see on a ship... or in a fine restaurant... or in the salons of the movers and shakers... in different words... the "great unwashed".

The "populist culture" doesn't like the implications of all of this, but anyone who doubts it has only to read some of the board posts or watch some of the behavior on board some of the Premium brand ships.

If this sounds "elitist"... well... it should. I, for one, don't believe that society and its works (read cruising) should be reduced to the lowest common denominator. There are millions of Americans... millions... whose life style, interests and élan are in direct contrast to the "let's turn everything into a tail gate party and every dining experience into some kind of fast food experience" mentality that some of these posts seem to imply.

Anyway, as I said at the beginning, I should just stay shut on all of this!

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suzannen: It looks like the problem is that the lines that will allow "super causal" dress are really more expeditions than cruises, and that the mass market lines (true cruise lines) either don't enforce or don't define their dress code. I agree with Kuki that all potential customers should know in necesssary detail what will be expected of them if they book, and have the right to have their expectations enforced. If the customer wants very formal, he/she knows that Crystal/Cunard are the places to go. "Country clubby"? My favorite, Radisson. Super Casual? An expedition. But the 95% of the ships in the mass market? Who knows! That's where the problems are comming from. We have people who have been told (and expect) that formal nights will be formal, only to find someone in jeans and a "T" shirt at their table. On the other hand, we have people who want to cruise with the ability to wear jeans and "T" shirt to dinner looking for a place to go, other than an expedition. They can't find it, so they book on a mass market line and "bend" the rules. Does the mass market need to enforce their rules? Certainly! But, as soon as they do, they will find an unserved market that wants a mass market type cruise with a "shorts and jeans OK" dress code. Maybe only then will such sailings be offered, to separate those who love formality from those who hate it. And, hopefully, to keep on offering cruises with dress codes (and the resulting type of fellow guests) that I like, which is somewhere in the middle.

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JPH....found this in a Celebrity Mercury Review posted on another board. Thought it might interest you. Review is from Dec 2002 cruise>>>>>>>>>>

"Ships Dress Codes: be sure to read the ship’s dress codes on the 1st day back of Mercury Daily newletter. Outlines the REQUIRED modes of evening dress (after 6PM nightly) "Most guests enjoy respecting this sailing tradition for the ambiance of the cruise." We were stopped entering the Celebrity Theatre by the ‘’fashion police’ after changing from formal wear that 1st formal night. Cruisers BEWARE! "

I'm not sure how people should deal with a Recommendation that dress code is applicable after 6PM when the cruise lines now offer alternative dining for those that don't wish to dress for dinner. Are these people not allowed the run of the ship after dinner or do they have to go back to their cabins after dinner to dress for the Casino in formal attire.

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Amen, Tweety! Those that choose the casual alternative dining should not be banned to their cabins on formal night after dinner just because they availed themselves of an option offered by the cruise line!

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When I started cruising back in the early 8o. everybody would dress nicer. It looked like most people went out and bought embroidered T-shirt, new shorts and eveningwear. It was part of the exitement of going on a cruise. In the late 9o. is when we noticed people would just wear any old T-shirt, cutoffs and overalls.
On my last cruise on the Radiance there was a gentleman that wore gratefull death thype shirts (oh the colors) every night. Yes even on formal nights in the dining room.
Im am not a snob, but would not even think about going on formal night in anything that is not appropiate. It is part of the cruise experience to me .
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ok i'm going jump into this conversation- here we go. IMHO i think that most people do adhere to the cruise community standards of dress and behavoir. We don't hear about the gentleman in his black tux who looked stunning or the lady in her sequined evening dress who looked divine, but we do hear about the couple who wore......... Get my point?? How about it? I'll start - i have a beautiful navy beaded shimmery, slinky halter gown that i bought specifically for crusing. i wear it will a sheer navy shawl, and my husband has a dark navy tailored suit with a slight pinstripe in it, my husband tells me that i look beautiful when i wear that dress and take the time to get a gussied up. I admit it i am a girlie girl and i enjoy getting dressed up for special occasions, my husband looks very dapper in his suit when he gets a buffed and pressed.
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